New Jersey legislature will hold marr...

New Jersey legislature will hold marriage equality veto override votes this session

There are 33 comments on the Daily Kos story from Feb 22, 2013, titled New Jersey legislature will hold marriage equality veto override votes this session. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

A year ago, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie showed his true Republican colors and vetoed legislation that would have legalized same sex marriage, using a number of excuses including saying that something this important should be done by referendum, voted on by the people.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#22 Feb 23, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
I agree equal fundamental rights should never depend on any vote. This is after all, supposed to be self evident.
We need to reaffirm that principal, while voting for equality if that is the only available or even the best route. We also should consider a law like the one DC has, that prevents the denial of equal or human rights by popular vote. You can vote on a law that would require equal treatment, but you can't vote on one that would take human or equal rights away.
Voting for equal rights, is different than voting to take them away.
But the U.S. Constitution ALREADY HAS a provision, in the 14th Amendment, GUARNATEEING ALL AMERICANS "equal protection of the laws". THAT is the part of the U.S. Constitution that pertains to us that is CONSTANTLY ignored and violated by people.

There are many people who simply do NOT believe that "EQUAL MEANS EQUAL".

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#23 Feb 23, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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But the U.S. Constitution ALREADY HAS a provision, in the 14th Amendment, GUARNATEEING ALL AMERICANS "equal protection of the laws". THAT is the part of the U.S. Constitution that pertains to us that is CONSTANTLY ignored and violated by people.
There are many people who simply do NOT believe that "EQUAL MEANS EQUAL".
Not only is equal treatment promised in the founding documents, it is required by both the 5th and 14th amendments.

But yes, some just want to find excuses for ignoring equal means equal. The whole "levels of scrutiny" concept seems little more than a fancy excuse. And it seems some of the courts have been trying to ignore it, relying instead on reality and reason.

But without resorting to another amendment, it might help to have a national law that says equal right may not be denied by any vote, and human rights may not be restricted by any vote. If the religious factions do become increasingly powerful, it might be a good idea to add another layer of concreted and steel to that wall of separation, and reaffirm the foundation of equal treatment for all persons.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#24 Feb 23, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Not only is equal treatment promised in the founding documents, it is required by both the 5th and 14th amendments.
But yes, some just want to find excuses for ignoring equal means equal. The whole "levels of scrutiny" concept seems little more than a fancy excuse. And it seems some of the courts have been trying to ignore it, relying instead on reality and reason.
But without resorting to another amendment, it might help to have a national law that says equal right may not be denied by any vote, and human rights may not be restricted by any vote. If the religious factions do become increasingly powerful, it might be a good idea to add another layer of concreted and steel to that wall of separation, and reaffirm the foundation of equal treatment for all persons.
I agree.

Since: Mar 09

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#25 Feb 24, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
I agree equal fundamental rights should never depend on any vote. This is after all, supposed to be self evident.
We need to reaffirm that principal, while voting for equality if that is the only available or even the best route. We also should consider a law like the one DC has, that prevents the denial of equal or human rights by popular vote. You can vote on a law that would require equal treatment, but you can't vote on one that would take human or equal rights away.
Voting for equal rights, is different than voting to take them away.
Valid distinctions.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#26 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Well, that's what YOU get for being UN-Fair. And UN-Balanced.
:)
Don't let it go to your head Foxie.
You're still dumb as a rock, just because you managed to get something rite for a change! I would if I was you let it go here before your stupidity bursts wide open again!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#27 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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But the U.S. Constitution ALREADY HAS a provision, in the 14th Amendment, GUARNATEEING ALL AMERICANS "equal protection of the laws". THAT is the part of the U.S. Constitution that pertains to us that is CONSTANTLY ignored and violated by people.
There are many people who simply do NOT believe that "EQUAL MEANS EQUAL".
And so far the federal courts have been mostly unwilling to apply that to marriage rights for same-sex couples.

So how long do you expect people to wait for the courts to act?

5 years?
10 years?
50 years?

That's a serious question I'd like you to answer.

How long?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#28 Feb 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And so far the federal courts have been mostly unwilling to apply that to marriage rights for same-sex couples.
So how long do you expect people to wait for the courts to act?
5 years?
10 years?
50 years?
That's a serious question I'd like you to answer.
How long?
It's anybody's guess. Perhaps less than 5. Perhaps less than 10. I can't see it being longer than 10 years.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#29 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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It's anybody's guess. Perhaps less than 5. Perhaps less than 10. I can't see it being longer than 10 years.
So in other words you're willing to wait 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 years for the courts to finally impose equality, instead of just voting ourselves equality?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#30 Feb 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So in other words you're willing to wait 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 years for the courts to finally impose equality, instead of just voting ourselves equality?
The short answer is "yes".

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#31 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The short answer is "yes".
Which proves once again you're a moron.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#32 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The short answer is "yes".
Should have quit while you were a head stupid

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#33 Feb 24, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The short answer is "yes".
Not suprising you're willing to wait decades for the courts to act since I doubt anyone wuld be willing to marry you.

The rest of us aren't waiting; we'll force the issue to a vote either legislatively or on the ballot anywhere we can.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#34 Feb 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Not suprising you're willing to wait decades for the courts to act since I doubt anyone wuld be willing to marry you.
The rest of us aren't waiting; we'll force the issue to a vote either legislatively or on the ballot anywhere we can.
He don't care about any of the rites we seek he has no reason to his whole life revolves around moving from trick to trick

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