What's Wrong with Gay Boy Scout Leaders?

What's Wrong with Gay Boy Scout Leaders?

There are 396 comments on the www.psychologytoday.com story from Apr 22, 2013, titled What's Wrong with Gay Boy Scout Leaders?. In it, www.psychologytoday.com reports that:

According to the New York Times , the Boy Scouts of America on Friday proposed ending its ban on openly gay scouts but continue to bar gay adults from serving as leaders.

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“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#137 May 1, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Well, we ARE pretty scary, aren't we?? At least to the idiots, we are. They all seem to be terrified of us. Anyone with a functioning brain knows better.
They come up with every 4th grade insult they can drag out of their head, yet are petrified. I believe they ENJOY talking about oral or anal, taking a walk on the wild side with their unregistered dozens of false names.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#138 May 1, 2013
sex researcher in NY wrote:
The incidence rate of child predators amongst straight and gays, is statistically the same. Fortunately a very small % of men of either persuasion, are attracted to youths. The problem however, is that molesters put themselves in places of opportunity to molest children. Whether it’s a straight man coaching girls soccer, or a gay man as a scout leader, there is a much higher chance that individual is attracted to youth than the general population. That doesn’t mean that all gay scout leaders are interested sexually with early teen boys, but it does mean that more are than the general population of gays.
Oh, great!! Another self-described "researcher" pontificating his personal prejudices and hoping we buy it as fact.

If you were really a researcher, you'd know better than to make totally unsupported (and unsupportable) blanket statements like that.

Who do you think is more of a risk to a Boy Scout?? The closeted leader that's keeping his true sexual desires a deep, dark secret? Or the openly gay man that everyone knows is gay?

So much for that "theory" of yours, huh?
ABW

Tappahannock, VA

#139 May 1, 2013
The Boy Scouts is a private organization run according to their concept of morals which they seeks to promote in their membership. If they view homosexuality as wrong in the concept their moral values, then they have every right to determine who as members or leaders shall reflect their organization. Similarly, I can't belong to the Masons or the Knights of Columbus without meeting their standards of membership which they set down in their charter.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#140 May 1, 2013
sex researcher in NY wrote:
The incidence rate of child predators amongst straight and gays, is statistically the same. Fortunately a very small % of men of either persuasion, are attracted to youths. The problem however, is that molesters put themselves in places of opportunity to molest children. Whether it’s a straight man coaching girls soccer, or a gay man as a scout leader, there is a much higher chance that individual is attracted to youth than the general population. That doesn’t mean that all gay scout leaders are interested sexually with early teen boys, but it does mean that more are than the general population of gays.
Without source links, your post is baseless.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#141 May 1, 2013
ABW wrote:
The Boy Scouts is a private organization run according to their concept of morals which they seeks to promote in their membership. If they view homosexuality as wrong in the concept their moral values, then they have every right to determine who as members or leaders shall reflect their organization. Similarly, I can't belong to the Masons or the Knights of Columbus without meeting their standards of membership which they set down in their charter.
Right. But by sticking to religious based ignorance and bigotry, the Boy Scouts render their "moral code" meaningless.
Jeffrey

Mountain View, CA

#142 May 1, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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Right. But by sticking to religious based ignorance and bigotry, the Boy Scouts render their "moral code" meaningless.
So why do so many homosexuals want to join a organization that is "ignorant and bigoted"?

If I want to start a private organization that hates, say, Starbucks Coffee, it is my right. It is still a free country. If our Starbuck haters want to exclude, say, Texans, it is our right as a private organization. If all of our members want to state that the world is flat, that is our right. We reserve the right as a private organization to hate Starbucks, Texans and believe that the world is flat. It is our right as a private organization to be ignorant and bigoted.

Could it be that the reason that so many homosexuals want to join scouting is that they want to ass-rape young boys? Is that all there is to it? If an homosexual wants to join scouting, they could just STFU about their sexual desires and just go along with the program.

“Gone back to Dagobah ”

Since: Mar 13

Australia

#143 May 1, 2013
Jeffrey wrote:
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So why do so many homosexuals want to join a organization that is "ignorant and bigoted"?
If I want to start a private organization that hates, say, Starbucks Coffee, it is my right. It is still a free country. If our Starbuck haters want to exclude, say, Texans, it is our right as a private organization. If all of our members want to state that the world is flat, that is our right. We reserve the right as a private organization to hate Starbucks, Texans and believe that the world is flat. It is our right as a private organization to be ignorant and bigoted.
Could it be that the reason that so many homosexuals want to join scouting is that they want to ass-rape young boys? Is that all there is to it? If an homosexual wants to join scouting, they could just STFU about their sexual desires and just go along with the program.
it doesn't make any difference to me who hates gays, or texans or which organisations exclude which groups of people. What baffles me about this thread is that it looks like some people believe their kids are safe from predators if they keep them away from "queers" or "redheads" or whatever. Abuse of trust usually involves deception. They won't wear a "I'm a fiddler" badge. The bottom line is that you will never make the world child proof. You have to make your children world proof.

“Just takin' it easy”

Since: Mar 10

Owensville, Mo.

#144 May 1, 2013
yoda 49 wrote:
<quoted text>it doesn't make any difference to me who hates gays, or texans or which organisations exclude which groups of people. What baffles me about this thread is that it looks like some people believe their kids are safe from predators if they keep them away from "queers" or "redheads" or whatever. Abuse of trust usually involves deception. They won't wear a "I'm a fiddler" badge. The bottom line is that you will never make the world child proof. You have to make your children world proof.
Precisely! You have hit the nail on the head.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#145 May 1, 2013
Jeffrey wrote:
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So why do so many homosexuals want to join a organization that is "ignorant and bigoted"?
If I want to start a private organization that hates, say, Starbucks Coffee, it is my right. It is still a free country. If our Starbuck haters want to exclude, say, Texans, it is our right as a private organization. If all of our members want to state that the world is flat, that is our right. We reserve the right as a private organization to hate Starbucks, Texans and believe that the world is flat. It is our right as a private organization to be ignorant and bigoted.
Could it be that the reason that so many homosexuals want to join scouting is that they want to ass-rape young boys? Is that all there is to it? If an homosexual wants to join scouting, they could just STFU about their sexual desires and just go along with the program.
I suspect that they join Bot Scouts because they are boys, one or more of their friends or siblings are doing it, and it looks like fun.
William

United States

#146 May 1, 2013
Jeffrey wrote:
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So why do so many homosexuals want to join a organization that is "ignorant and bigoted"?
If I want to start a private organization that hates, say, Starbucks Coffee, it is my right. It is still a free country. If our Starbuck haters want to exclude, say, Texans, it is our right as a private organization. If all of our members want to state that the world is flat, that is our right. We reserve the right as a private organization to hate Starbucks, Texans and believe that the world is flat. It is our right as a private organization to be ignorant and bigoted.
Could it be that the reason that so many homosexuals want to join scouting is that they want to ass-rape young boys? Is that all there is to it? If an homosexual wants to join scouting, they could just STFU about their sexual desires and just go along with the program.
BRAVO!

Very well said and 100% spot on!

Especially the last sentence!
William

United States

#147 May 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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I suspect that they join Bot Scouts because they are boys, one or more of their friends or siblings are doing it, and it looks like fun.
Okay but why do gay MEN want in?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#148 May 1, 2013
William wrote:
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Okay but why do gay MEN want in?
Usually because they WERE Bot Scouts.

Gay people are natural caretakers.

“Just takin' it easy”

Since: Mar 10

Owensville, Mo.

#149 May 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Usually because they WERE Bot Scouts.
Gay people are natural caretakers.
HEAR HEAR!
Jackson

Dallas, TX

#150 May 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Usually because they WERE Bot Scouts.
Gay people are natural caretakers.
Oh I'm sure Gay Bob does want to "take care" of little Billy. That's the whole reason the Boy Scouts doesn't want him in there in the first place.
Jackson

Dallas, TX

#151 May 1, 2013
After Gay Bob helps little Billy change his shorts a few times then all of a sudden little Billy is "coming out"!
Jennifer

UK

#152 May 2, 2013
William wrote:
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Okay but why do gay MEN want in?
Because they want to get some bum !

Do the boys get a badge for it? If not, can somebody please design one?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#153 May 2, 2013
Jennifer wrote:
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Because they want to get some bum !
Do the boys get a badge for it? If not, can somebody please design one?
How do you know this?

Argument by innuendo is a fallacy.
ABW

Tappahannock, VA

#154 May 2, 2013
So why can't the Boy Scouts Maintain their own organization? It's their group not yours. You want a Gay Boy Scout Program go form your own national association.

Just because a groups sets standards doesn't give Gays or anyone else the right to rewrite those standards to suit themselves.

I can't join the Navy Vets' Association cause I never served in the Navy. I don't qualify and Gay people don't qualify by BSA standards. Its that simple.

“Gone back to Dagobah ”

Since: Mar 13

Australia

#155 May 2, 2013
snyper wrote:
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How do you know this?
Argument by innuendo is a fallacy.
innuendo is possibly a poor choice of words when discussing prejudice against gays
sex researcher in NY

New York, NY

#156 May 2, 2013
There is plenty of citable research and statistics concerning pedophilia. I think you both misunderstood the points I was making. There is no greater chance of a homosexual being a pedophile than a heterosexual being a pedophile.(Technically, many who prey on Boy Scouts are not pedophiles, they are ephebophiles, who prey on post pubescent adolescents. Jerry Sandusky is an ephebophile, Michael Jackson was a pedophile).
It is also more likely that a pedophile abusing pre-pubescent boy scouts is actually heterosexual and not homosexual. To a pedophile, it is not the gender to which they are attracted, it is the innocence of the child. Prepubescent boys and girls are physically identical, with the exception of their genitals. Heterosexual pedophiles prey on boys because the availability of solo contact with boys is much easier than with girls. Pedophiles also differ from ephebophiles in 2 other distinct ways. They tend to be more concerned with pleasing the victim sexually than themselves. They also rarely believe what they are doing is wrong, while a ephebophile's motivation is self-gratification, and is almost always aware that his actions are wrong. Pedophiles also lose their attraction to children as they begin to go through puberty, and begin to look for a new victim. All said, my point is not that normal gay men pose a threat to boy scouts. Sexual persuasion has no factor in child sexual abuse. It is a mental illness. What the Boy Scouts needs is not a blanket restriction on Gay Leaders, they need a comprehensive plan to identify and eliminate pedophiles and ephebophiles, who are drawn to activities like the Scouts that provide them access.
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