LifeWay: Big drop in Americans who think being gay's a sin

Jan 10, 2013 Full story: The Tennessean 137

Americans who believe being gay is a sin are no longer the majority -- not even half -- a shift a Southern Baptist-affiliated research group pins on President Barack Obama's changed opinion of gay marriage.

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Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#75 Jan 31, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Use English. God is the same. Learn scriptures. Follow Jesus and the Apostles teachings.
The modernist have their own bible and follow tradition of men and invent their own doctrine.
God's children have learned - to trust and follow Jesus.
I use english.

I also follow the teachings of Jesus. But Jesus never asked me to remain static and unable to learn. He didn't ask that of ANY of his followers. Quite the opposite.

God's children have learned to trust and follow Him, but they also learned the world was not flat, that women are not intellectually inferior, that children should not work in dangerous occupations, and that people should not own other people.

Christians are also learning that God creates all of us, even gay folks, with the same desires, drives, strengths and weaknesses. We have learned that natural and God-given traits CANNOT be sins, only actions can be.

And sins are always chosen actions that separate a person from God by the harm those sins to do to others.

Being gay fails the "sin test"
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#76 Jan 31, 2013
I personally don't think that being gay is in sin. If God made everything in his image than why does gays exist and have existed since the dawn of time. I like how Christians grade sins. I didn't know a rating system was available. One is more likely to be molested by a straight person than that of gay. I think it's time to move on. The gays will get their rights that everyone else takes for granted that they have earned. This subject is old and the hate behind this issue I wonder if that's a sin. A lot of hate on these posts, but very little understanding.
Bible Believer

United States

#78 Jan 31, 2013
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselve
Romans 1:22-24 (KJV)
Bible Believer

United States

#79 Jan 31, 2013
KELLERMAN wrote:
I personally don't think that being gay is in sin. If God made everything in his image than why does gays exist and have existed since the dawn of time. I like how Christians grade sins. I didn't know a rating system was available. One is more likely to be molested by a straight person than that of gay. I think it's time to move on. The gays will get their rights that everyone else takes for granted that they have earned. This subject is old and the hate behind this issue I wonder if that's a sin. A lot of hate on these posts, but very little understanding.
Your opinion does not over-rule God's nor His word. Look at what the Bible says.

“Equality marches on! ”

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#80 Jan 31, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you're full of shit.
Someone must have frucked you over big time, to have made you such an angry, bitter, lonely, little impotent, being. It's apparent you are single.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#82 Jan 31, 2013
The amount of homophobia here on topix is unbelievable! The hate displayed here and the language that it is expressed in borders on the psychotic and at times is way over the edge.

Why?

There are several scriptures condemning the practice of judging your neighbors. Yet these self-proclaimed Christians here on topix apparently spend all of their time in HATEFULLY judging others and ignoring the two most important commandments in the bible.

The two most important commandments in the entire bible are all about LOVE. There is nothing LOVING about the attacks on gay people here on topix.

There is nothing in the teachings of the historical Jesus to back up the hate being expressed by self-professed Christians towards their brothers and sisters here on topix over sexual orientation.

I suspect that the homophobia being so hatefully displayed here on topix is the homophobe's way of coping with their insecurity about their own sexuality. They mistakenly feel that if they attack those around them they somehow will prove that what they fear most about themselves is not true.

These homophobes are obviously obsessed with homosexuality, going into extreme detail of practices they believe are engaged in by homosexuals over and over again.

I think though that the problem is not as bad as it seems. Those who are accepting of the scientific evidence supporting the insistence of gay people that they were born gay are not obsessed with it, they simply accept the evidence and move on.

And this is what was pointed out at the beginning of the thread. The drop in homophobia will continue as those hard core homophobes die out and young people who have not been brainwashed by hate and fear based hellfire and brimstone religions reject the insanity of their fathers.

The hate based judgment of the homophobes is in the minority but it is a very vocal minority that is quite insane and should be watched carefully.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#84 Jan 31, 2013
Here is an interesting article on homophobia and hate groups:

http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/homophobia...

Of course homophobia is not the only form of hate expressed by hate groups but it seems to be the most popular lately amongst the intellectually challenged homophobes here on topix.

The worst kind of homophobes of course are those that insist there is no such thing as homophobia while at the same time hurling obscenity after obscenity at gay people and those that come to their defense.

These froth at the mouth hatemongers are glaringly obvious here on topix and generally make fools of themselves in struggling to express themselves with a limited vocabulary of mostly foul and disgusting language.
Bible Believer

United States

#86 Jan 31, 2013
No one really addresses the problem or source. Some folks are pedophiles and rapist and sodomites with motives and sexual perversions. they are dangerous.

There are some simply misguides from upbringing or being bullied from how they look or whatever and have been victimized and continue to be victimized. Of these; some fall prey to being drawn into perversion and some simply are peaceable and do no harm to others.

ALL are in need of Christ Jesus' salvation where they are hetro or homo or steal a candy bar or commit adultery, rape or murder. They all fall short.

Major problem is: those who mock God and blaspheme. This can cause God to give someone up and turn them over to a reprobate mind.

So there's really no room for the self-righteousness. Real hatred of persons has no place. Hatred of their sin is a separate issue. Sometimes things get muddied or confused by any faction. Most are human - none are as smart as they think they are.
Bible Believer

United States

#90 Jan 31, 2013
No IQ; why do you bother to post? You are isolated, uninformed and uneducated obviously. You don't have anything worth listening to or commenting on ---- zero are like minded. You just like filth and being filthy for filth's sake. If God does turn you over to a reprobate mind --- you'll be doing those disgusting things. Why not consider the beam in your own eye?

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#92 Jan 31, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselve
Romans 1:22-24 (KJV)
Another verse addressing lust, not committed relationships based on mutual love and respect.

Yet you continue to use your misinterpretation to justify harming others rather than following the Golden Rule.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary,

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#93 Jan 31, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The amount of homophobia here on topix is unbelievable! The hate displayed here and the language that it is expressed in borders on the psychotic and at times is way over the edge.
Why?
There are several scriptures condemning the practice of judging your neighbors. Yet these self-proclaimed Christians here on topix apparently spend all of their time in HATEFULLY judging others and ignoring the two most important commandments in the bible.
The two most important commandments in the entire bible are all about LOVE. There is nothing LOVING about the attacks on gay people here on topix.
There is nothing in the teachings of the historical Jesus to back up the hate being expressed by self-professed Christians towards their brothers and sisters here on topix over sexual orientation.
I suspect that the homophobia being so hatefully displayed here on topix is the homophobe's way of coping with their insecurity about their own sexuality. They mistakenly feel that if they attack those around them they somehow will prove that what they fear most about themselves is not true.
These homophobes are obviously obsessed with homosexuality, going into extreme detail of practices they believe are engaged in by homosexuals over and over again.
I think though that the problem is not as bad as it seems. Those who are accepting of the scientific evidence supporting the insistence of gay people that they were born gay are not obsessed with it, they simply accept the evidence and move on.
And this is what was pointed out at the beginning of the thread. The drop in homophobia will continue as those hard core homophobes die out and young people who have not been brainwashed by hate and fear based hellfire and brimstone religions reject the insanity of their fathers.
The hate based judgment of the homophobes is in the minority but it is a very vocal minority that is quite insane and should be watched carefully.
Well said. I agree totally.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#94 Jan 31, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Here is an interesting article on homophobia and hate groups:
http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/homophobia...
Of course homophobia is not the only form of hate expressed by hate groups but it seems to be the most popular lately amongst the intellectually challenged homophobes here on topix.
The worst kind of homophobes of course are those that insist there is no such thing as homophobia while at the same time hurling obscenity after obscenity at gay people and those that come to their defense.
These froth at the mouth hatemongers are glaringly obvious here on topix and generally make fools of themselves in struggling to express themselves with a limited vocabulary of mostly foul and disgusting language.
Many wish to divert the conversation to the meaning of the word "homophobia" rather than addressing the suffering and death it causes.

That is why I prefer the term "anti-gay prejudice". It is more widely understood and is easily demonstrated in anti-gay laws as well actions and beliefs. And we know from history as well as science, prejudice and discrimination cause needless suffering and death.
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#95 Jan 31, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Your opinion does not over-rule God's nor His word. Look at what the Bible says.
I will not speak for god due that so many others have already. I don't think as an intelligent people we can take the bible and believe in it word by word. I do realize that people misinterpret the scriptures as they well please. In my young years I'm sure the bible was used on the argument on segregation to justify the treatments of blacks in this country. Most people of Christian backgrounds take a few words and twist them to meet their needs. Almost similar to that of politicians. Regardless of how one feels on this subject, the gays will get the rights that others take for granted. I don't why people are so against this. If you don't want to marry a gay person than don't. If you wish to be religious than be religious, but the religious groups should stay out of the bedrooms of private citizens. We spend to much time trying to govern the lives of other people. I would also like to comment that being black has nothing to do with being gay other than the fact they wasn't allowed their basic rights and this was based on the stupidity of coloration.
Bible Believer

United States

#96 Jan 31, 2013
The Bible is God's word/s. He did not lie. His promises are true.

I used the scripture and people said I interpreted it wrong. No one is suppose to interpret scripture per 2 Pet 1:20.

It is God's words and they say what they mean and mean what they say.

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 1:19-32 (KJV) God's words and they mean what they say. Don't change or interpret!
KELLERMAN

Huntsville, OH

#97 Jan 31, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
The Bible is God's word/s. He did not lie. His promises are true.
I used the scripture and people said I interpreted it wrong. No one is suppose to interpret scripture per 2 Pet 1:20.
It is God's words and they say what they mean and mean what they say.
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:19-32 (KJV) God's words and they mean what they say. Don't change or interpret!
It appears that no one is going to get admission to heaven based on this. I don't wish to be disrespectful and you are entitled to your beliefs, but I still believe that gay persons have the same right you have to be a Christian. I guess my problem with religion is that you have many sins how does one get in the door. The point is that all people do all of the things listed above. I don't believe that God has a rating system on sins so being gay if it indeed it was a sin is no different than any of the other sins that wan can commit. Good day and go out and meet others who are different than you and accept them as they are and the world would be much better
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Bible Believer

United States

#98 Jan 31, 2013
IF the gay has been sanctified by God then s/he is a Christian same as anyone.

If the scriptures are hid; they are hid to the lost.

Quit trying to find loop-holes: there's only one way

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#101 Jan 31, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
That's pretty original there Ya Dumb A$$. Never heard No IQ before. LMFAO For your big fat A$$ only: I'm probably more educated than you'll ever be. So get your big high and mighty A$$ off mine. What do you say?uu
ha ha fucktard even your own kind don't like ya... now run along and commit suicide
Bible Believer

United States

#105 Feb 1, 2013
You filthy low life people: yes, NoQ and Satan's child.

You obviously hate children and I suspect are very capable of murder.

Why does low life trash want to preach their filth? It is beyond me.
Bible Believer

United States

#107 Feb 1, 2013
A feeble minded little twirp like you; what a laugh.

Do you ever take a bath; seems I can smell you from here.

You have no "we"; you're all alone on this planet. You are disgusting filth. Even a filthy person would have nothing to do with the like of you.

You are obviously a pervert as that is all that spews out of your filthy mouth.

I'm sure this is open to children. And yes; if you were in my presence, I'd smack you down and haul you to jail. You are a filthy pervert and a criminal that should be locked up.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#112 Feb 1, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
The book of Revelation warns the people who consider themselves children of God, to leave all false religion and find the true family of God, the one world wide family that is living the instructions from Jesus to these congregations in the Book of Revelation.
Revelation 18:4 Revelation 1:17-19
All false Christian religions as well as Pagan religions are about to be destroyed by our King and Judge Jesus when the great tribulation starts, very soon now. Fake Christians are evident by their works today, they disobey God's word of righteousness and are children of the devil, not Jehovah God.
John 8:44 1Corinthians 6:9,10
The book of Revelation was not added to the Roman Canon until the 6th century by Emperor Justinian. Your religion depends on one word, the word "Armageddon", that occurs only one time in this one book, out of the entire bible, to support it's apocalyptic bloodbath theology.

And the word "jehovah" was not even invented until the year 1270 A.D. This word was an attempt by a Roman Catholic Monk to ascertain the precise pronunciation of the tetragrammaton. In this the monk failed but accidentally created the word "jehovah" that Judge Rutheford mistakenly built his empire on. This word, "jehovah", when translated from the Hebrew word the monk thought he had created as a precise pronunciation of the tetragrammaton translates into "god of mischief, god of calamity". An excellent choice for the god of an apocalyptic cult that has had to readjust the prophesied date of their much anticipated apocalypse again, and again, and again and still counting!

And to top it off, this antisemitic religion that rejects the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus has the audacity to call itself Christian!

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