California bill would cut exemptions for Scouts, other youth groups that bar gays

Feb 25, 2013 Full story: The Daily Breeze 30

State Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, has proposed removing the tax exempt status of the Boy Scouts of America if the group continues to forbid gay, bisexual and transgender members.

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“ WOOF ! ”

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#1 Feb 26, 2013
The should remeove their tax exemption.

There was a time when many B.S.A. facilities refused to admit black Scouts. If that were done nowadays, would anyone say they should retain their tax exemption ?

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#2 Feb 26, 2013
Ouch.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#3 Feb 26, 2013
Until I read this article, I had forgotten just how many tax-exempt youth organizations there are. And they say they don't expect any of them will be affected by this legislation. It just shows how much more discriminatory the Scouts are than I first thought.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Feb 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Until I read this article, I had forgotten just how many tax-exempt youth organizations there are. And they say they don't expect any of them will be affected by this legislation. It just shows how much more discriminatory the Scouts are than I first thought.
That's what makes this law constitutional; they don't single out the BSA, but rather apply it to ANY youth group which discriminates against gays.

Of course as you point out, the overwhelming majority of youth groups don't discriminate so they won't be affected.

We just have to keep hitting them where ever we can; eventually they will cave to public pressure.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#6 Feb 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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That's what makes this law constitutional; they don't single out the BSA, but rather apply it to ANY youth group which discriminates against gays.
Of course as you point out, the overwhelming majority of youth groups don't discriminate so they won't be affected.
We just have to keep hitting them where ever we can; eventually they will cave to public pressure.
Now that I think of it, I was involved in Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Junior Achievement, YMCA, Khoury League Baseball, St. Louis Police Basebll, and some Lutheran youth organizations. I suppose the list goes on and on. It's difficult to believe that you never hear of any of these others discriminating, especially the religious ones.
Ulysses

Ukraine

#7 Feb 26, 2013
Id rather there be no Boy Scouts than a gay Boy Scouts. Boys are better off without the organization than to be exposed to homosexual perversion. Let their parents find some other decent, wholesome activities for them.
Ulysses

Ukraine

#8 Feb 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Now that I think of it, I was involved in Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Junior Achievement, YMCA, Khoury League Baseball, St. Louis Police Basebll, and some Lutheran youth organizations. I suppose the list goes on and on. It's difficult to believe that you never hear of any of these others discriminating, especially the religious ones.
I can only imagine how many boys lives you've turned upside down.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#9 Feb 26, 2013
Ulysses wrote:
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I can only imagine how many boys lives you've turned upside down.
Your imagination is much more extreme than my sex life.

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#10 Feb 26, 2013
Ulysses wrote:
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I can only imagine how many boys lives you've turned upside down.
Fallacy: Apophasis (Paralipsis), Argumentum Ad Hominem

"Apophasis" or "argument by innuendo" involves implicitly suggesting a conclusion without stating it outright. For example, a job reference that says a former employee "was never caught taking money from the cash box." In this example the overly specific nature of the innuendo implies that the employee was a thief, even though it does not make (or justify) a direct statement of accusation.

"Paralipsis" is usually employed to make a subversive "ad hominem" attack.

The device is typically used to distance the speaker from unfair claims, while still bringing them up. For instance, a politician might say, "I don't even want to talk about the allegations that my opponent is a drunk." A political advertisement may say, "Vote for Smith for sober leadership", implying that Jones, his opponent, is an irresponsible drunk.

An "ad hominem" (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for "argumentum ad hominem", is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument. "Ad hominem" reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophasis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#11 Feb 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Fallacy: Apophasis (Paralipsis), Argumentum Ad Hominem
"Apophasis" or "argument by innuendo" involves implicitly suggesting a conclusion without stating it outright. For example, a job reference that says a former employee "was never caught taking money from the cash box." In this example the overly specific nature of the innuendo implies that the employee was a thief, even though it does not make (or justify) a direct statement of accusation.
"Paralipsis" is usually employed to make a subversive "ad hominem" attack.
The device is typically used to distance the speaker from unfair claims, while still bringing them up. For instance, a politician might say, "I don't even want to talk about the allegations that my opponent is a drunk." A political advertisement may say, "Vote for Smith for sober leadership", implying that Jones, his opponent, is an irresponsible drunk.
An "ad hominem" (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for "argumentum ad hominem", is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument. "Ad hominem" reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophasis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Thanks for the back-up,however, I think my observation was much more succinct.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#13 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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You fking perverts are all the same, pathetic.
If you took the time to get to really know us, and cast away your fear, you would find we are much more multifaceted than you give us credit for.

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#14 Feb 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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Thanks for the back-up,however, I think my observation was much more succinct.
It is, but I'm trying to do a little teaching on-the-fly. lol

I know, it's unrealistic to hope that the quality of discussions on TOPIX might rise through such paltry efforts, but ...

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#15 Feb 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
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It is, but I'm trying to do a little teaching on-the-fly. lol
I know, it's unrealistic to hope that the quality of discussions on TOPIX might rise through such paltry efforts, but ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =p0DusO6ipLwXX
You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.

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#16 Feb 26, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.
I'm more ...

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#17 Feb 26, 2013
Let's feed the birds that nest among the dark cornices, not the trolls.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#19 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Not you. I seen the way you talked down to someone yesterday, like you were so much better than he was and he was well beneath you because you supposedly have money. You made it very clear that it's beneath you to associate with someone that might be less fortunate. In my book, you are a worthless piece of SHlT, no matter if you are a Queer or whether you were straight.
Because I eat at good restaurants, instead of fat dispensing greasy spoons? Wow.....simply wow!!! He wasn't beneath me because he eats at those places. He was beneath me because of his attitude towards gays. Much like you. I may have money now, but I grew up poor. I remember where I came from, and I don't shun anyone because of their wealth, or lack of it. I do, however, shun people of your ilk. I would rather associate with folks who don't believe their way is the only way of life.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#21 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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You can associate with your ilk all you want, wouldn't want the likes of you around me anyway.
And yet you hang around here all the time.

Do you idiots not see the stupidity of such statements? It's like repeatedly claiming you don't care what we say or you don't care what we think, and yet constantly posting shows just how much you DO care.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#23 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Are you in a make believe world, FAGG@T? I'm not associating with you perverts, just voicing my opinion. If you don't like it, too fking bad.
You are associating with us enough that we 'know' you better than in real life; sugar
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Here is our mental imprint of NoQ in motion:
http://enfoquemania.files.wordpress.com/2012/...
lilith_Satans_Wh o_re

Bellevue, WA

#25 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Not in the mood for your fun & games, FAGG@T
You trolling for gay sex again fucktard

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#26 Feb 26, 2013
NoQ wrote:
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Are you in a make believe world, FAGG@T? I'm not associating with you perverts, just voicing my opinion. If you don't like it, too fking bad.
You're associating with us every day you are posting on here.

That's okay, we welcome all, even closet cases like you.

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