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Bishops to vote on new guidelines for ministry to gays

There are 61 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Oct 28, 2006, titled Bishops to vote on new guidelines for ministry to gays. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

The nation's Roman Catholic bishops have drafted new guidelines for ministry to gay people that affirm church teaching against same-sex relationships, marriages and adoptions by gay couples, yet encourage ...

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Hollywood, FL

#1 Oct 29, 2006
WHO is going to teach the Catholic Bishops not to molest the alterboys?
elaygee

Ormond Beach, FL

#2 Oct 29, 2006
Screw the church. It's an extortion mob run for the profit of its partners.
"Pay me or go to hell" is the motto. What a load of crap.
Enough

Miami, FL

#3 Oct 29, 2006
Being Gay is a choice.
Hate the sin not the sinner.
eyeful

San Clemente, CA

#4 Oct 29, 2006
Enough wrote:
Being Gay is a choice.
Hate the sin not the sinner.
The biggest sin is willfull ignorance. I hate that sin, but I do not hate you, "Enough"....

While you're casually tossing around your conviction that "being gay is a choice", could you elaborate? Could you post one shred of evidence to support your claim? The only groundrule is that you cite a credible, professional source...not baseless claims from some anti-gay "christian" family values web site.

Thanks.
Enough

Lake Worth, FL

#5 Oct 30, 2006
eyeful wrote:
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The biggest sin is willfull ignorance. I hate that sin, but I do not hate you, "Enough"....
While you're casually tossing around your conviction that "being gay is a choice", could you elaborate? Could you post one shred of evidence to support your claim? The only groundrule is that you cite a credible, professional source...not baseless claims from some anti-gay "christian" family values web site.
Thanks.
God did not create anyone that could not go to heaven.
He says that that lifestyle is an abomination to Him; therefore being gay from birth would mean that God does create people to go to hell with no hope of eternal life. Not true. God gives ALL of us the choice to either follow Him or not. That means a choice of heaven or hell.
I have not seen any proof that God is wrong and that someone has found any credible fact that people are born gay. I see that they want to find it to make their sin be ok.
I also know that we all sin and fall short of Gods glory and only by repenting of the sin can we get forgiveness.
Where is your proof? I am sure that my gay brother would like to hear it since he is still searching for another reason why he is gay.
His life and my life although growing up in the same home had drastically different male influences. He had gay role models and I had straight.
He learned a different way to love men than I did. It was not a birth thing.
So I guess my source outside of Gods Word is a lifetime of being around my brother and his friends and hearing the same stories of influences on them.
I love my brother. I want the best for him. I want him to be free from the ties that bind him and even though he has material stuff…he really has no fulfilling love in his life that only a relationship with God can give.
As I said before, I do not hate the sinner, I hate the sin.
I do not believe that my conviction is casual either, I stand firm on Gods Word about this.
Paul N

AOL

#6 Oct 30, 2006
TO Enough:

You are correct, stick with you convictions. A lot of the right prayer is needed to turn your brother around. Prayer is the key to every thing.
Enough

Miami, FL

#7 Nov 1, 2006
Pray without ceasing works for me.
Sheryl

Annandale, NJ

#8 Nov 13, 2006
Enough wrote:
Pray without ceasing works for me.
I've honestly tried to pray without ceasing, but the repetition REALLY gets to me. How many times are we supposed to ask God for the same thing? Praying without ceasing could be construed as "nagging", couldn't it?
Crance

London, KY

#9 Nov 13, 2006
Sheryl wrote:
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I've honestly tried to pray without ceasing, but the repetition REALLY gets to me. How many times are we supposed to ask God for the same thing? Praying without ceasing could be construed as "nagging", couldn't it?
Sheryl,

How are you?

Please check out this parable in Luke 11: verses 5-13.
with regard to perseverance in prayer. It will just take a few minutes.

Also, remember, God is more interested in petitions for spiritual requests than earthly ones.

Peace to Sheryl!:)
Mel

Lake Orion, MI

#10 Nov 13, 2006
Crance wrote:
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Sheryl,
How are you?
Please check out this parable in Luke 11: verses 5-13.
with regard to perseverance in prayer. It will just take a few minutes.
Also, remember, God is more interested in petitions for spiritual requests than earthly ones.
Peace to Sheryl!:)
Crance how are you??? Haven't seen your name pop-up in ages.
Mel

Lake Orion, MI

#11 Nov 13, 2006
Sheryl wrote:
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I've honestly tried to pray without ceasing, but the repetition REALLY gets to me. How many times are we supposed to ask God for the same thing? Praying without ceasing could be construed as "nagging", couldn't it?
Truly Sheryl my spiritual journey has helped me come to the realization that Prayer is in fact relationship with God. If you are in relationship with God then you are praying unceasinnly.
Yada - oil of joy

Humble, TX

#13 Nov 14, 2006
Spiritual Warfare wrote:
2 Chronicles 20:1-13
Society’s emphasis on self has bred a prayer crisis. Believers focus on a problem or its perceived solution instead of making God the center of attention. The heart of 2 Chronicles 20 is an exemplary petition. If King Jehoshaphat had wrung his hands and wailed instead of concentrating on God’s promises and past provision, Jerusalem might have been wiped out as the Moabites and Ammonites intended. The king magnified the Lord’s greatness, recalling for himself and his people many divine triumphs. In that way, he was able to bolster the Israelites’ courage and prepare them for whatever solution the Lord proposed.
Preach it brother. Root out and expose the iniquity that abounds. Thank you.(oil of joy)
Crance

London, KY

#14 Nov 14, 2006
Mel wrote:
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Crance how are you??? Haven't seen your name pop-up in ages.
Hi Mel,

Got a new job and can't spend as much time on the computer.

Also, I've been hanging out more on the Evolution Forum.

Good to hear from you!

Peace to Mel!!!
Mel

Lake Orion, MI

#15 Nov 14, 2006
Crance wrote:
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Hi Mel,
Got a new job and can't spend as much time on the computer.
Also, I've been hanging out more on the Evolution Forum.
Good to hear from you!
Peace to Mel!!!
Congrats on the new job...hope it is what you were looking for or needed. Spend way too much time at work not to be happy. I think I was in that thread very early on and it really didn't hold my interest.
Peace to you too.
Sheryl

Annandale, NJ

#16 Nov 18, 2006
Crance wrote:
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Hi Mel,
Got a new job and can't spend as much time on the computer.
Also, I've been hanging out more on the Evolution Forum.
Good to hear from you!
Peace to Mel!!!
John, let me also add my congratulations on your new job; I wish you the best :) Peace always.
Crance

London, KY

#17 Nov 18, 2006
Sheryl wrote:
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John, let me also add my congratulations on your new job; I wish you the best :) Peace always.
Thanks Sheryl,

Peace!
Sheryl

Annandale, NJ

#18 Nov 18, 2006
Enough wrote:
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God did not create anyone that could not go to heaven.
He says that that lifestyle is an abomination to Him; therefore being gay from birth would mean that God does create people to go to hell with no hope of eternal life. Not true. God gives ALL of us the choice to either follow Him or not. That means a choice of heaven or hell.
I have not seen any proof that God is wrong and that someone has found any credible fact that people are born gay. I see that they want to find it to make their sin be ok.
I also know that we all sin and fall short of Gods glory and only by repenting of the sin can we get forgiveness.
Where is your proof? I am sure that my gay brother would like to hear it since he is still searching for another reason why he is gay.
His life and my life although growing up in the same home had drastically different male influences. He had gay role models and I had straight.
He learned a different way to love men than I did. It was not a birth thing.
So I guess my source outside of Gods Word is a lifetime of being around my brother and his friends and hearing the same stories of influences on them.
I love my brother. I want the best for him. I want him to be free from the ties that bind him and even though he has material stuff…he really has no fulfilling love in his life that only a relationship with God can give.
As I said before, I do not hate the sinner, I hate the sin.
I do not believe that my conviction is casual either, I stand firm on Gods Word about this.
So you believe your brother is damned to hell? No matter what else he does, regardless of his sex life? That could have been YOU, you know.

Did you ever see, for example, a very masculine-type female? I know two of them; they are both married and have children, and one of each of their children are homosexual -- one woman's daughter is a lesbian. She threw her out of her home, but you should see the mother -- she may never have been actively homosexual, but SOMETHING DEFINITELY IS MASCULINE ABOUT HER. Interestingly enough, she has an uncle who is gay. The other woman I'm speaking of (also married, but quite masculine) has a gay son. I strongly believe that genetics can play a part in homosexuality. God forbid YOU ever have a homosexual child or grandchild. I pity you if you do, as you'd be tormented by YOUR belief that the child was consigned to hell.
Sheryl

Annandale, NJ

#19 Nov 18, 2006
Crance wrote:
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Thanks Sheryl,
Peace!
John, you are more than welcome! Peace :)
Enough

Miami, FL

#20 Nov 28, 2006
Sheryl wrote:
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So you believe your brother is damned to hell? No matter what else he does, regardless of his sex life? That could have been YOU, you know.
Did you ever see, for example, a very masculine-type female? I know two of them; they are both married and have children, and one of each of their children are homosexual -- one woman's daughter is a lesbian. She threw her out of her home, but you should see the mother -- she may never have been actively homosexual, but SOMETHING DEFINITELY IS MASCULINE ABOUT HER. Interestingly enough, she has an uncle who is gay. The other woman I'm speaking of (also married, but quite masculine) has a gay son. I strongly believe that genetics can play a part in homosexuality. God forbid YOU ever have a homosexual child or grandchild. I pity you if you do, as you'd be tormented by YOUR belief that the child was consigned to hell.
I do not make the rules, God does. My brother makes his choices, this is what he chose. I still pray for a change of heart. I serve a mighty God. He is always Just.
Mel

Lake Orion, MI

#21 Nov 28, 2006
Enough wrote:
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I do not make the rules, God does. My brother makes his choices, this is what he chose. I still pray for a change of heart. I serve a mighty God. He is always Just.
Don't forget that God is ALWAYS loving.

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