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Anti-Gay Archbishop Investigated for Alleged Sexual Misconduct

There are 40 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 2, 2014, titled Anti-Gay Archbishop Investigated for Alleged Sexual Misconduct. In it, EDGE reports that:

Archbishop John Nienstedt announced Tuesday that the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis is investigating him after allegations of inappropriate behavior surfaced several months ago.

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“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#1 Jul 2, 2014
As Gomer Pyle would say, "Sur-prise, Sur-prise, Sur-prise." One more religious homophobe down the drain.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Jul 2, 2014
Oh my,_that_ silver fox is quite the clerical ccktease.

I can't imagine a more extreme way to play hard to get than, "You're going to hell for this, now disrobe before me, my child."
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Jul 2, 2014
Why do they say, "Anti Gay Archbishop"?

Does no one even care about needless redundancy in language anymore? No one? No one? Not a soul anymore? None?
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jul 2, 2014
I predict that Archbishop John Nienstedt is going down, because...well, you know, he has.

I feel certain of it.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Jul 2, 2014
RalphB wrote:
As Gomer Pyle would say, "Sur-prise, Sur-prise, Sur-prise." One more religious homophobe down the drain.
On the bright side for Archbishop John Nienstedt, I hear Pastor Ted Haggard is dating again.
Dan

United States

#6 Jul 2, 2014
"In a statement Tuesday, Nienstedt said he ordered the examination himself and directed church officials to hire outside investigators. The inquiry by the Greene Espel law firm of Minneapolis is ongoing, and Jennifer Haselberger, the whistleblower who accused the archdiocese of failing to properly handle child sex abuse cases, is among the people who have been interviewed."

http://www.startribune.com/local/265425801.ht...

Thought the thread would benefit from reportage that wasn't so biased.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Jul 2, 2014
I'm so thrilled and worked up by these sorts of news stories, in particular, that I may well have to go to Confessemission.

Several times.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Jul 2, 2014
Dan wrote:
"In a statement Tuesday, Nienstedt said he ordered the examination himself and directed church officials to hire outside investigators. The inquiry by the Greene Espel law firm of Minneapolis is ongoing, and Jennifer Haselberger, the whistleblower who accused the archdiocese of failing to properly handle child sex abuse cases, is among the people who have been interviewed."
http://www.startribune.com/local/265425801.ht...
Thought the thread would benefit from reportage that wasn't so biased.
Nienstedt has rejected the findings of his own inquiry that he impaneled because he had no public relations choice.

Since you're so interested in full disrobing, I mean, dickclosure. Sigh. You know what I'm trying to say.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Jul 2, 2014
Marcavage s Emission wrote:
Oh my,_that_ silver fox is quite the clerical ccktease.
I can't imagine a more extreme way to play hard to get than, "You're going to hell for this, now disrobe before me, my child."
Naturally this is one imagined scenario in my opinion.

As for him being a ccktease...I'll maintain that for five hours and then consult a doctor...of divinity.
Dan

United States

#10 Jul 2, 2014
Marcavage s Emission wrote:
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Nienstedt has rejected the findings of his own inquiry that he impaneled because he had no public relations choice.
Since you're so interested in full disrobing, I mean, dickclosure. Sigh. You know what I'm trying to say.
My, that was an incredibly fast inquiry.

It's closed already? Do tell. Share the results.

The Minneapolis paper seems to have missed the story. Thank goodness you're here.
Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Jul 2, 2014
No wonder he said he was "disappointed" when I officially asked to leave the church.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Jul 2, 2014
Dan wrote:
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My, that was an incredibly fast inquiry.
It's closed already? Do tell. Share the results.
The Minneapolis paper seems to have missed the story. Thank goodness you're here.
1.

Well there's so many "panels." Ones about the alleged coverups. One about a (more dubious) claim of his touching a minor in public.

"The task force report [about alleged coverups] raises questions about the actions of Nienstedt and other top officials during the panel's investigation.

"A footnote in the report's appendix revealed that Nienstedt withheld information from the task force...."

It appears he obstructed his own ballyhooed panel. Which is beyond sick, stupid and arrogant.

That panel ended in March.
mprnews DOT org/story/2014/04/15/archdioce se-report

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He’s already rejected this one about him having sex with adult males - he isn’t committed to releasing the findings. That’s not the way sincere panels you put together work.

"He did not say whether he would make the report public, adding only:'Let us pray that the truth will come out as a result of the investigation.'”

“'The allegations do not involve minors or lay members of the faithful, and they do not implicate any kind of illegal or criminal behavior,' Nienstedt said.'The allegations involve events alleged to have occurred at least a decade ago, before I began serving in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.'”

Now, that denial is a stark non denial, because the claims are that he’s fooled around with subordinates or peers who were (presumably) adult members of the hierarchy themselves. In other words, not criminal behavior (so far,) not behavior in the past year, not behavior with minors, but deeply, hilariously hypocritical behavior for a homophobic bigot to have engaged in. And that last part is exactly what he did not deny in his non denial denial....

huffingtonpost DOT com/2014/07/02/john-nienstedt- investigation_n_5551022.html
Dan

United States

#13 Jul 2, 2014
Marcavage s Emission wrote:
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Well there's so many "panels." Ones about the alleged coverups. One about a (more dubious) claim of his touching a minor in public.
"The task force report [about alleged coverups] raises questions about the actions of Nienstedt and other top officials during the panel's investigation.
"A footnote in the report's appendix revealed that Nienstedt withheld information from the task force...."
It appears he obstructed his own ballyhooed panel. Which is beyond sick, stupid and arrogant.
That panel ended in March.
mprnews DOT org/story/2014/04/15/archdioce se-report
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He’s already rejected this one about him having sex with adult males - he isn’t committed to releasing the findings. That’s not the way sincere panels you put together work.
"He did not say whether he would make the report public, adding only:'Let us pray that the truth will come out as a result of the investigation.'”
“'The allegations do not involve minors or lay members of the faithful, and they do not implicate any kind of illegal or criminal behavior,' Nienstedt said.'The allegations involve events alleged to have occurred at least a decade ago, before I began serving in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.'”
Now, that denial is a stark non denial, because the claims are that he’s fooled around with subordinates or peers who were (presumably) adult members of the hierarchy themselves. In other words, not criminal behavior (so far,) not behavior in the past year, not behavior with minors, but deeply, hilariously hypocritical behavior for a homophobic bigot to have engaged in. And that last part is exactly what he did not deny in his non denial denial....
huffingtonpost DOT com/2014/07/02/john-nienstedt- investigation_n_5551022.html
So, the current matter isn't closed.
Marcavage s Emission

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Jul 2, 2014
Dan wrote:
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So, the current matter isn't closed.
That last post of mine was too complicated, but there is a lot of skeleton in that (metaphorical, surely) closet to parse.

It is closed. He at the outset has reserved the right to not release his panel's "findings." That's closed. It was never open.

The matter of his witholding things up from his own (earlier) panels is a done deal. It is known, closed.

The current inquiry is not done in the sense that he has not been driven from his perch...yet.

it is also not done in the sense that these other rcc seminarians and whatnot have not come forth publicly to expose his apparently quite breathtaking hypocrisy and disingenuousness...yet.
Shirvel s Shrivel

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Jul 3, 2014
Again, the key thing here is that the statement denies everything _except_ the current claims supposedly being investigated, which are that he slept with seminarians and other rcc hierarchy type males. The current claims do not involve claims from underage persons or that the homophobe violated any criminal laws or that he slept with parishioners.

“'The allegations do not involve minors or lay members of the faithful, and they do not implicate any kind of illegal or criminal behavior,' Nienstedt said.'The allegations involve events alleged to have occurred at least a decade ago, before I began serving in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.'”

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#16 Jul 3, 2014
Dan wrote:
"In a statement Tuesday, Nienstedt said he ordered the examination himself and directed church officials to hire outside investigators. The inquiry by the Greene Espel law firm of Minneapolis is ongoing, and Jennifer Haselberger, the whistleblower who accused the archdiocese of failing to properly handle child sex abuse cases, is among the people who have been interviewed."
http://www.startribune.com/local/265425801.ht...
Thought the thread would benefit from reportage that wasn't so biased.
Thanks for that information! It sounds a lot like Chris Cristie's investigation of his own administration. This investigation, will, no doubt, prove the archbishop's innocence to the complete satisfaction of the Vatican and no one else.
Dan

United States

#17 Jul 3, 2014
Shirvel s Shrivel wrote:
Again, the key thing here is that the statement denies everything _except_ the current claims supposedly being investigated, which are that he slept with seminarians and other rcc hierarchy type males. The current claims do not involve claims from underage persons or that the homophobe violated any criminal laws or that he slept with parishioners.
“'The allegations do not involve minors or lay members of the faithful, and they do not implicate any kind of illegal or criminal behavior,' Nienstedt said.'The allegations involve events alleged to have occurred at least a decade ago, before I began serving in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis.'”
I don't think it unusual that the Abp. would take the step of making a statement that would ensure that this matter wasn't an issue of involvement with children.

I mean, that card gets played as a default in the press.

Recall here also that Nienstedt has called the inquiry upon himself.

Suppose here that the inquiry finds that Nienstedt did, in fact, have some sort of same-sex encounter with a fellow cleric, and falls under Church sanction for it.

As it's been stated that it's not a crminal matter, would you then come to his defense?
Shirvel s Shrivel

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Jul 3, 2014
Dan wrote:
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I don't think it unusual that the Abp. would take the step of making a statement that would ensure that this matter wasn't an issue of involvement with children.
I mean, that card gets played as a default in the press.
Recall here also that Nienstedt has called the inquiry upon himself.
Suppose here that the inquiry finds that Nienstedt did, in fact, have some sort of same-sex encounter with a fellow cleric, and falls under Church sanction for it.
As it's been stated that it's not a crminal matter, would you then come to his defense?
How deranged.

The point was that he _only_ denied everything that he is not currently being accused of...meaning....

He had no choice but to pretend to undertake an inquiry. And it's not an inquiry. Not if he reserves some right not to release the findings.

Obviously - obviously - I would not defend the massive, apparently hypocritical homophobe. What kind of moron would even ask that? Hypocritical, homophobic, rcc misogynists in dresses need to be held to account when and if they then run around having sex with men. That has nothing whatever to do with whether their conduct was criminal in a legal sense. The sheer homophobic hypocrisy is quite enough.

You're really twisted, but you're not very good at twisting words.
Shirvel s Shrivel

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jul 3, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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Thanks for that information! It sounds a lot like Chris Cristie's investigation of his own administration. This investigation, will, no doubt, prove the archbishop's innocence to the complete satisfaction of the Vatican and no one else.
Despite the obvious irregularities in his own investigation of himself, I actually think in this case he will prove too much of an embarrassment to satisfy the Vatican.

I mean, it would be shocking to keep such a proven dissembler (his evident non denial denial, his proven withholding of info from the previous panel,) in his current, high position.
Shirvel s Shrivel

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Jul 3, 2014
It's a very simple thing to say, "In keeping with Church teachings I have never had any sort of sex with a male (or female) since entering the priesthood."

He obviously didn't say that.

Gee, wonder why?

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