Same-sex marriage: an issue of rights?

Oct 7, 2012 Full story: HeraldNet 372

In a voice freighted with emotion, Gov. Chris Gregoire embraced gay marriage in January saying it is a civil right and denying it to same-sex couples is a vestige of discrimination that needs to be eliminated in the state and nation.

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Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#110 Oct 9, 2012
Let's face it, there is no good argument against gay marriage. It's a simple matter of equal rights.
A man can marry a woman, a woman should have that same right.
A woman can marry a man, a man should have that same right.

“I don't hate Racists”

Since: Mar 11

They're Not Worth the Effort

#111 Oct 9, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Let's face it, there is no good argument against gay marriage. It's a simple matter of equal rights.
A man can marry a woman, a woman should have that same right.
A woman can marry a man, a man should have that same right.
people have the right to marry their horse but who would want to.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#112 Oct 9, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>This is a ht button issue and there is pro and con on this issue. over half of the states have laws against SSM. There is a separation of church and state. So the laws are made without the approval of the churches. There are churches organization that are for it and some are against it. Still the government have force people to accept SSM in schools and other government facilities against a persons religious belief in places where it is legal. Despite having religious protection under the Constitution, government are finding ways to get around it. Freedom of speech is in jeopardy. Law are being passed as hate speech. This will filter into those who oppose SSM as going against the law. We will no long be a republic but a communist country.
Nothing matters more to fundies than spreading hate, so they get frightened when they hear of laws against hate speech. But there are no laws against hate speech, they would violate the 1st Amendment. You can even advocate violence, as long as you don't use "fighting words". So, you can spread you hate. Why is spreading hate so important to you?

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#113 Oct 9, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
I see same sex marriage as an issue of wrongs wrong law, wrong social policy and a wrong message to our children.
Rose's Law...

Old Grand Dad

Tempe, AZ

#114 Oct 9, 2012
iamcuriousnow wrote:
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people have the right to marry their horse but who would want to.
Hey stupid,not true! A horse cannot give a legally informed consent! Were you born this stupid or did mama drop you on your head as a wee lad? LOL,D-U-H!

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#115 Oct 9, 2012
iamcuriousnow wrote:
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people have the right to marry their horse but who would want to.
A marriage is a set of specific promises between people who MUST give their written consent AND verbal consent, in the preseence of witnesses, to agree to those promises. How could any non-human give their verbal consent and written consent to these sets of promises ?

Since a non-human is obviously unable to give the written consent and verbal consent necessery, a marriage of a non-human is obviously impossible.

Back to 3rd grade with ya !

:)
the light has come

Danville, IL

#116 Oct 10, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Nothing matters more to fundies than spreading hate, so they get frightened when they hear of laws against hate speech. But there are no laws against hate speech, they would violate the 1st Amendment. You can even advocate violence, as long as you don't use "fighting words". So, you can spread you hate. Why is spreading hate so important to you?
Some people think if you object to peoples behavior you hate them. parents d not hate their children when they see something they object to. If you think that the 1st ammendment is going to protect you from speaking hate. Threatened the president and you will wind up in jail. Do a little research and you see time after time your free speech is taken away from you. This fight for SSM is not what is not what the gay community really want. it is about being accepted as normal. Society by majority reject the homosexual lifestyle. So the gay community are trying to use the legal system to gain acceptance as normal. When laws a re made it effect all people including religious people.

Since: Mar 09

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#117 Oct 10, 2012
Please don't presume to know what my motivations are.

You don't even know what I like on a pizza.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#119 Oct 10, 2012
iamcuriousnow wrote:
<quoted text>
people have the right to marry their horse but who would want to.
Don't have anything wiser to contribute?

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#120 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>Some people think if you object to peoples behavior you hate them. parents d not hate their children when they see something they object to......
But the behaviors you are objecting to are a person falling in love, marrying, and forming a loving family.

ALL things you would support in anyone not gay.

So, why would you object to a gay person doing the same things that YOU value for yourself? There is no logical reason other than a fear, distrust, and hatred of the person engaging in the married behavior.

You want young gay kids to hear a clear message that family life is not for them. Their friends and siblings, yes. But NOT them. You want gay couples to have a harder time. You want their children to have less stability and security.

And that ain't love, my Dear.
the light has come

Danville, IL

#121 Oct 10, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
But the behaviors you are objecting to are a person falling in love, marrying, and forming a loving family.
ALL things you would support in anyone not gay.
So, why would you object to a gay person doing the same things that YOU value for yourself? There is no logical reason other than a fear, distrust, and hatred of the person engaging in the married behavior.
You want young gay kids to hear a clear message that family life is not for them. Their friends and siblings, yes. But NOT them. You want gay couples to have a harder time. You want their children to have less stability and security.
And that ain't love, my Dear.
How is it that in 310 years of American history there was no SSM but it did not stop gays from falling in love or forming a family. Now it is a requirement to get married to have those things when it never was apart of American life.

Since: Oct 12

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#122 Oct 10, 2012
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
<quoted text>Not in a schoolyard, classroom, or in the Boy Scouts lumpy.
you sound really smart, what with all your talk of percentages and math, but you're just putting vanilla icing on a cow shit cake. Really? You're going to claim lies as truth, while using words like "graver"? That's the wrong way to do it.

While the truth is that the gay community was hit hardest in the western world when HIV/AIDS came to light, after a period of only ten years, straight people had more cases per capita. Today it is about 500x more prevalent in the straight community, mostly because of the education in outreach groups for gays. We practice safe sex, don't ya know?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#123 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>How is it that in 310 years of American history there was no SSM but it did not stop gays from falling in love or forming a family. Now it is a requirement to get married to have those things when it never was apart of American life.
It isn't a requirement, but the federal government levies 1041 rights to married couples that "domestic partnerships" and "civil unions" are not given. If your lover was dying in the hospital, but the nurse wouldn't let you see them because your marriage wasn't valid in her eyes, how would you feel? If your late lover left you a home and property in a legal will, but the immediate family of your late lover was easily and legally able to take away everything you an your partner worked for? It's about much more than marriage.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#124 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>How is it that in 310 years of American history there was no SSM but it did not stop gays from falling in love or forming a family. Now it is a requirement to get married to have those things when it never was apart of American life.
And as a matter of fact, marriage has always been a part of American life. If I could direct your attention to a court case called Loving v. Virginia, it is clearly decided that marriage is one of the fundamental institutions of our nations, and that by having this bond, the pilgrims were better able to settle the land.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#125 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>Do you understand that people that work in government can not use their religion as a base to not honor SSM in states that it is law. Do you understand that people in states that have laws against SSM tell you who you can not marry in that state.
Okay! How about we pass a law that everyone in your religion is hereby barred from civil marriage?? We'll ban anyone that works for the government from using their religion as a base to honor your "marriage", but we'll allow the states that HAVE decided to let your type marry honor it.

Sound fair?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#126 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>Some people think if you object to peoples behavior you hate them. parents d not hate their children when they see something they object to. If you think that the 1st ammendment is going to protect you from speaking hate. Threatened the president and you will wind up in jail. Do a little research and you see time after time your free speech is taken away from you. This fight for SSM is not what is not what the gay community really want. it is about being accepted as normal. Society by majority reject the homosexual lifestyle. So the gay community are trying to use the legal system to gain acceptance as normal. When laws a re made it effect all people including religious people.
COMPLETELY different issues, Poodle. When a parent "objects to" a child's behaviour, it's generally because their child is about to run into the street or stick a fork into an electrical outlet. It's a parent's responsibility to keep a child safe from dangers.

There's no danger nor any harm in gay couples marrying and it's no one's responsibility to keep them from marrying. You imagine there is because you've been taught to be uncomfortable with the concept, but there's no harm or danger involved and, therefore, no reason to oppose it. Especially where civil marriage is concerned.

And where did you ever get the idea that something being legal will force people to accept it?? Labor unions are legal, does that mean I'm forced to quit my non-union job and find one that's covered by a union?? No. And you won't be forced to enter into a same-sex marriage once that's legal everywhere, either.

You're more than welcome to continue to fear and loathe anyone you want. But you're NOT welcome to try to force that fear and loathing onto anyone else. Keep it to yourself, just like I keep my marriage to myself.
the light has come

Danville, IL

#127 Oct 10, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
<quoted text>
And as a matter of fact, marriage has always been a part of American life. If I could direct your attention to a court case called Loving v. Virginia, it is clearly decided that marriage is one of the fundamental institutions of our nations, and that by having this bond, the pilgrims were better able to settle the land.
That dispute was about race and not about SSM.
the light has come

Danville, IL

#128 Oct 10, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't a requirement, but the federal government levies 1041 rights to married couples that "domestic partnerships" and "civil unions" are not given. If your lover was dying in the hospital, but the nurse wouldn't let you see them because your marriage wasn't valid in her eyes, how would you feel? If your late lover left you a home and property in a legal will, but the immediate family of your late lover was easily and legally able to take away everything you an your partner worked for? It's about much more than marriage.
When people enter into relationship they know it not accepted and they do it anyway who do they blame.
the light has come

Danville, IL

#129 Oct 10, 2012
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay! How about we pass a law that everyone in your religion is hereby barred from civil marriage?? We'll ban anyone that works for the government from using their religion as a base to honor your "marriage", but we'll allow the states that HAVE decided to let your type marry honor it.
Sound fair?
take time to read before you object a post.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#130 Oct 10, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>When people enter into relationship they know it not accepted and they do it anyway who do they blame.
So you're saying (and encouraging, as well) that I, a gay man, should enter into a sham marriage with a woman to make you happy, instead of a loving relationship with someone who is a man and the center of my world, all because you find it "icky"?

Currently 54% of the population finds same-sex marriage to be perfectly fine. So if it's "not accepted" why are so many people starting to accept it?

People grow and evolve and learn to understand that what they are personally not involved with does not complicate their lives unless they choose to let it. My relationship should not make ANY change in your life, if you are a mature adult. Only children get upset when someone plays with the wrong person.

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