Same-sex marriage: an issue of rights?

Oct 7, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: HeraldNet

In a voice freighted with emotion, Gov. Chris Gregoire embraced gay marriage in January saying it is a civil right and denying it to same-sex couples is a vestige of discrimination that needs to be eliminated in the state and nation.

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the light has come

Danville, IL

#64 Oct 8, 2012
MzNora89 wrote:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).
This is a quote from the site. Know can be interpreted in different ways and different versions of a bible. Anyway I'm out
This is a ht button issue and there is pro and con on this issue. over half of the states have laws against SSM. There is a separation of church and state. So the laws are made without the approval of the churches. There are churches organization that are for it and some are against it. Still the government have force people to accept SSM in schools and other government facilities against a persons religious belief in places where it is legal. Despite having religious protection under the Constitution, government are finding ways to get around it. Freedom of speech is in jeopardy. Law are being passed as hate speech. This will filter into those who oppose SSM as going against the law. We will no long be a republic but a communist country.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#65 Oct 8, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>This is a ht button issue and there is pro and con on this issue. over half of the states have laws against SSM. There is a separation of church and state. So the laws are made without the approval of the churches. There are churches organization that are for it and some are against it. Still the government have force people to accept SSM in schools and other government facilities against a persons religious belief in places where it is legal. Despite having religious protection under the Constitution, government are finding ways to get around it. Freedom of speech is in jeopardy. Law are being passed as hate speech. This will filter into those who oppose SSM as going against the law. We will no long be a republic but a communist country.
Huh??? Since when does YOUR freedom of religion get to trump mine???

My religion is clear on this issue. NO ONE has the right to deny anyone else the consenting adult of their choice to be married to. Just because your religion apparently allows you to believe you get a say in someone else's choice of a marriage partner, don't go thinking mine does because it does not.

I wouldn't dream of thinking I should get a say in your choice of who YOU marry. Why do you believe you get to veto mine??

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#66 Oct 8, 2012
the light has come wrote:
<quoted text>This is a ht button issue and there is pro and con on this issue. over half of the states have laws against SSM. There is a separation of church and state. So the laws are made without the approval of the churches. There are churches organization that are for it and some are against it. Still the government have force people to accept SSM in schools and other government facilities against a persons religious belief in places where it is legal. Despite having religious protection under the Constitution, government are finding ways to get around it. Freedom of speech is in jeopardy. Law are being passed as hate speech. This will filter into those who oppose SSM as going against the law. We will no long be a republic but a communist country.
The government has not "forced" you to "accept" anything. There is no requirement that you "accept" marriages between gay people. The only thing the government is forcing you to do is to not discriminate against those couples where public accommodation is concerned. If you are not in a position to offer public accommodation, then you are forced to do nothing. And even if you were forced to provide accommodation, you still would not be forced to "accept" their marriage but rather, to not discriminate. A very different thing, entirely.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#67 Oct 8, 2012
What a lot of people either don't know or tend to forget is that only "marriage" is defined in multiple states. A couple in a "civil union" or a "domestic partnership" become legal strangers when they enter ANY other state, because those are not defined at the federal level. If a state chooses to acknowledge those relationships, they will work very differently from state to state, and what may be legally available in one state may not be available at all in another that has the same legal construct.

Depending how the DOMA case goes as it approaches SCOTUS, marriage of same-sex couples may not be allowed to HAPPEN in some states, but they may also not be able to legally ignore those marriages that happened in states where they are legal. If that comes to pass, married same-sex couples won't have to worry about becoming "legal strangers" when they take a trip across state lines, which has resulted in so much grief and heartache in very publicized stories of same-sex couples vacationing in states that legally cannot acknowlege the relationships.

That needs to stop.

Wasn't it Jesus who said "Love your neighbor as you do yourself"? If that's what some of those people are practicing, they don't seem to love themselves very much.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#68 Oct 8, 2012
MzNora89 wrote:
Thank you I hope you do too and I know that I know it will happen regardless of what I think and I'm not saying don't get married. If you love some one so it. I'm just uncomfortable with the idea.
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My wife and I got married legally 4 years ago......we had a wonderful outdoor wedding with a wonderful ordained Minister:-)

Though I understand your position......Churches are protected from any suit if they don't want to marry any couple regardless of make-up.

Peace!

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#69 Oct 8, 2012
I see same sex marriage as an issue of wrongs wrong law, wrong social policy and a wrong message to our children.

Since all Americans have an equal right to ask their family and acquaintances to treat them as if they are married, an equal right to a religious marriage wedding ceremony and the freedom to travel to a jurisdiction that has changed its laws to recognize same sex marriage; the issue isn't equal rights. It's about the money, entitlements for government recognition that their sexual predilection allows them to redefine marriage. To rewrite marriage law for everyone; that's not equality.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#70 Oct 8, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
I see same sex marriage as an issue of wrongs wrong law, wrong social policy and a wrong message to our children.
Since all Americans have an equal right to ask their family and acquaintances to treat them as if they are married, an equal right to a religious marriage wedding ceremony and the freedom to travel to a jurisdiction that has changed its laws to recognize same sex marriage; the issue isn't equal rights. It's about the money, entitlements for government recognition that their sexual predilection allows them to redefine marriage. To rewrite marriage law for everyone; that's not equality.
Being treated by family and friends as being married......IS NOT the same thing as being legally married by one's state or federal government!!!

Marriage laws or requirements are not being changed......just being INCLUSIVE instead of exclusive based on the genders of the couple!!!
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#71 Oct 8, 2012
Sexual discourse and disobedience should never qualify as a marriage, let alone a civil union.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#72 Oct 8, 2012
Equality can never be found within sexual discourse and disobedience. Sexual discourse and disobedience having been venomous predominantly here since the mid 60's and the gays hide behind the 'mask' of all other frailties.
The rainbow veil of death as the false messiah marches on into the schoolyard dreams of innocence that one day will yield empty swingsets. May in one day he come and drop the boogeyman on all of you.
Circular cemeteries.
You were warned.

There will come a day
the light has come

Danville, IL

#74 Oct 8, 2012
eJohn wrote:
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Huh??? Since when does YOUR freedom of religion get to trump mine???
My religion is clear on this issue. NO ONE has the right to deny anyone else the consenting adult of their choice to be married to. Just because your religion apparently allows you to believe you get a say in someone else's choice of a marriage partner, don't go thinking mine does because it does not.
I wouldn't dream of thinking I should get a say in your choice of who YOU marry. Why do you believe you get to veto mine??
Do you understand that people that work in government can not use their religion as a base to not honor SSM in states that it is law. Do you understand that people in states that have laws against SSM tell you who you can not marry in that state.
the light has come

Danville, IL

#75 Oct 8, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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The government has not "forced" you to "accept" anything. There is no requirement that you "accept" marriages between gay people. The only thing the government is forcing you to do is to not discriminate against those couples where public accommodation is concerned. If you are not in a position to offer public accommodation, then you are forced to do nothing. And even if you were forced to provide accommodation, you still would not be forced to "accept" their marriage but rather, to not discriminate. A very different thing, entirely.
We may not use the different words to identify this issue but government do force acceptance when it take one side or the other. Even though you have free speech, there is things you can not say without penalty of law. The only thing a person really have that is free is freedom of conscience. Everything else is what the law allow.
Qwerty26

Lewes, DE

#76 Oct 8, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
I see same sex marriage as an issue of wrongs wrong law, wrong social policy and a wrong message to our children.
Since all Americans have an equal right to ask their family and acquaintances to treat them as if they are married, an equal right to a religious marriage wedding ceremony and the freedom to travel to a jurisdiction that has changed its laws to recognize same sex marriage; the issue isn't equal rights. It's about the money, entitlements for government recognition that their sexual predilection allows them to redefine marriage. To rewrite marriage law for everyone; that's not equality.
Let's talk about children. You say that marriage equality is sending the wrong message to "our children." Guess what? Some of those children are gay, and are hearing the message that YOU want them to hear, and it is NOT a good message for them to hear. You are hurting them, immensely. ALL children need our protection, not just the straight ones. Gay children are particularly vulnerable when they rightfully see that most of their culture condemns them, even their churches and many of their schools. They aren't old enough to even realize that it's all hooey, nor do they have access to the support structures that are available to adults. By your attitude, you are contributing to the high rate of suicide, depression, and other ills that afflict gay children inordinately.

And let's talk about this ridiculous notion of "redefining marriage." That phrase is right out of NOM's playbook, which you apparently have bought into hook, line, and sinker. You are being played. We seek to ENLARGE marriage to include more people.

If you consider this "redefining" marriage, then what would you call it when it became legal for people from different races to marry? That has to be "redefining marriage," too, right? How about when marriage was "redefined" to say that a woman has the same rights in marriage as the husband? Again, marriage redefined. Or when polygamy was outlawed? Marriage redefined. Maybe you consider these bad things, but the vast majority of this country would disagree with you on that, and they all represent "redefinitions" of marriage.
Allen

Louisville, KY

#77 Oct 8, 2012
Eriq Barrington wrote:
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link?
It's the gay pedos that really screw with kids.
Straight people make up more than 90% of the population, gays a very small percentage. Commen sense tells you the majority of pedophiles are straight. Watch the TV show "To Catch A Predator" and see for yourself how many straight men are on there. Typical straight...always trying to project the sick things YOU DO onto gays.
Allen

Louisville, KY

#78 Oct 8, 2012
Eriq Barrington wrote:
"Scar" kids minds...
oh... I feel very dumb right now.
Take my word for it, lady....you ARE stupid.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#79 Oct 8, 2012
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>Straight people make up more than 90% of the population, gays a very small percentage. Commen sense tells you the majority of pedophiles are straight. Watch the TV show "To Catch A Predator" and see for yourself how many straight men are on there. Typical straight...always trying to project the sick things YOU DO onto gays.
Statistically untrue by percentages. Such as the small population of gays yet as a percent they have a higher rate of hiv/aids. If the gay populus were say half or even equal to heterosexuals this would be an all out epidemic. The same applies to pedophilia rates. If the population of gays were the same as hetero's, we'd have another epidemic, this time with pedophilia.
Thank goodness for the small number of gays.
Msnbc wants you to THINK heterosexuals are worse when they are not.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#80 Oct 8, 2012
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>Take my word for it, lady....you ARE stupid.
Ah....but it is you and your misrepresentation of percentages and statistics.
Allen

Louisville, KY

#81 Oct 8, 2012
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Statistically untrue by percentages. Such as the small population of gays yet as a percent they have a higher rate of hiv/aids. If the gay populus were say half or even equal to heterosexuals this would be an all out epidemic. The same applies to pedophilia rates. If the population of gays were the same as hetero's, we'd have another epidemic, this time with pedophilia.
Thank goodness for the small number of gays.
Msnbc wants you to THINK heterosexuals are worse when they are not.
Spare me your lies....save them for other bigots like yourself who are stupid enough to believe them. Straights are #1 in pedophilia, rape, and every other peversion. So much for your pathetic delusion that being straight makes you morally superior.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#82 Oct 8, 2012
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>Spare me your lies....save them for other bigots like yourself who are stupid enough to believe them. Straights are #1 in pedophilia, rape, and every other peversion. So much for your pathetic delusion that being straight makes you morally superior.
As a percent, what I stated is fact. It is YOU that is too stupid to understand simple math. Percentages lad! They make the world go round.
If a stock price is $1 per share while the other stock is $10 and both stocks go up by $1 the stock that was worth $1 is now worth $2 and increased by 100% where as the $10 stock, for the same dollar is now worth $11 dollars for a mere 10% increase.

Simply put, if gays were the same number in population as heterosexuals there would be significantly many more hiv/aids cases among gays. Ask a math teacher, ask a doctor.
Not only are you gay, but you are dumb, very very dumb!
Allen

Louisville, KY

#83 Oct 8, 2012
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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As a percent, what I stated is fact. It is YOU that is too stupid to understand simple math. Percentages lad! They make the world go round.
If a stock price is $1 per share while the other stock is $10 and both stocks go up by $1 the stock that was worth $1 is now worth $2 and increased by 100% where as the $10 stock, for the same dollar is now worth $11 dollars for a mere 10% increase.
Simply put, if gays were the same number in population as heterosexuals there would be significantly many more hiv/aids cases among gays. Ask a math teacher, ask a doctor.
Not only are you gay, but you are dumb, very very dumb!
I'm gay? No sh*t, Sherlock! The fact remains there are far more straights than gays. And AIDS originated in Africa, where the overwhelming majority of people who have it are STRAIGHT. AIDS came from you straights, like all other evil things. YOU ARE NUMBER ONE in AIDS, pedophilia, bigotry and hate. You are E-V-I-L. Now go sniff your granny's dirty panties, breeder.
The Worlds Biggest Lie

Pittsfield, MA

#84 Oct 8, 2012
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>I'm gay? No sh*t, Sherlock! The fact remains there are far more straights than gays. And AIDS originated in Africa, where the overwhelming majority of people who have it are STRAIGHT. AIDS came from you straights, like all other evil things. YOU ARE NUMBER ONE in AIDS, pedophilia, bigotry and hate. You are E-V-I-L. Now go sniff your granny's dirty panties, breeder.
The facts remain if there were more people like you in the world we would be in even graver danger. Your ignorance could kill Einstein eventhough he's long gong.

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