Same-sex marriage: an issue of rights?

Oct 7, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: HeraldNet

In a voice freighted with emotion, Gov. Chris Gregoire embraced gay marriage in January saying it is a civil right and denying it to same-sex couples is a vestige of discrimination that needs to be eliminated in the state and nation.

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All I said was I have a problem with it and feel its disrespectful and you gay people ate acting like I just said I hate gays. Wow really? That's just my opinion I would tell my friends and fam in a heart beat the same thing I'm sharing with oh. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your home but that does not mean I like it. How is that judging? When I'm simply stating my opinion? Ok Ill admit I don't know the whole story I was only told this in a church I use to go to. I never said God hated gay people I never said gay people weren't allowed in a church ALL I said was I have a problem with then getting married in the church. That is all if you can just accosted what I said and not try to blow it out of proportions wed get along. You guys say I'm judging you but look who's really doing the judging. I can admit when I'm wrong. I don't know the whole story I'm only going off what I was told. And you cleared it up for me. I appreciative that but to say I'm judging you is wrong. Again all I said is I have a problem with it. Just like I feel uncomfortable with seeing gay and str8 people having over the top pda in public. It's the same as that. Geeezz did it serious have to turn into all of you ganging up on me like I'm some demon? BTW why is this topic in the AA forum anyway. Again not trying to be rude just curious. If you go back to my original comment. You will see that all I mean was I have an issue with it. And that I have an issue with child molesting priests... Any way I'm not responding any more this has nothing to do with the AA forum. You never stated anything about the AA that are gay you just put up about gay marriage. And I'm wasting my time talking to pellet who put words in my mouth.

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Btw the bible can be interpreted in many ways no one knows exactly what they meant by "know"

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Here's something you cab look at that a member of my old church had me read. This why I think what I think: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomo...

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5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).

This is a quote from the site. Know can be interpreted in different ways and different versions of a bible. Anyway I'm out

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All I said was I have a problem with it and feel its disrespectful and you gay people ate acting like I just said I hate gays. Wow really? That's just my opinion I would tell my friends and fam in a heart beat the same thing I'm sharing with oh. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your home but that does not mean I like it. How is that judging? When I'm simply stating my opinion? Ok Ill admit I don't know the whole story I was only told this in a church I use to go to. I never said God hated gay people I never said gay people weren't allowed in a church ALL I said was I have a problem with then getting married in the church. That is all if you can just accosted what I said and not try to blow it out of proportions wed get along. You guys say I'm judging you but look who's really doing the judging. I can admit when I'm wrong. I don't know the whole story I'm only going off what I was told. And you cleared it up for me. I appreciative that but to say I'm judging you is wrong. Again all I said is I have a problem with it. Just like I feel uncomfortable with seeing gay and str8 people having over the top pda in public. It's the same as that. Geeezz did it serious have to turn into all of you ganging up on me like I'm some demon? BTW why is this topic in the AA forum anyway. Again not trying to be rude just curious. If you go back to my original comment. You will see that all I mean was I have an issue with it. And that I have an issue with child molesting priests... Any way I'm not responding any more this has nothing to do with the AA forum. You never stated anything about the AA that are gay you just put up about gay marriage. And I'm wasting my time talking to pellet who put words in my mouth.
This topic is posted in several different forums and threads on topix.......it's posted in the African-American forum, Wedding forum and Gay/Lesbian forum.....that's why you are getting some of the comments because of the forum and thread this is in.

Most folks have issues with molesting children......but you have to understand that the Priests were nothing more than Pedophiles or more specifically Child Molesters who entered the Priest hood.....and instead of dealing with the crime, the Catholic Church just moved these Child Molesters from Parish to Parish......this way of handling these complaints date back nearly 60 years or more.......and is why they are dealing with the backlash still today.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your religious opinions can not dictate how anyone decides on who or where to marry......and I think that was all that was being stated.

Anyways......have a great week:-)

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I don't care if they marry as long as they don't do it in church. Now that's just disrespectful. I already have an issue with these catholic priests molesting little boys but I won't go there. People are just sick. That's disrespectful to the church too. Smh
I agree with you.

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Thank you I hope you do too and I know that I know it will happen regardless of what I think and I'm not saying don't get married. If you love some one so it. I'm just uncomfortable with the idea.
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This topic is posted in several different forums and threads on topix.......it's posted in the African-American forum, Wedding forum and Gay/Lesbian forum.....that's why you are getting some of the comments because of the forum and thread this is in.
Most folks have issues with molesting children......but you have to understand that the Priests were nothing more than Pedophiles or more specifically Child Molesters who entered the Priest hood.....and instead of dealing with the crime, the Catholic Church just moved these Child Molesters from Parish to Parish......this way of handling these complaints date back nearly 60 years or more.......and is why they are dealing with the backlash still today.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your religious opinions can not dictate how anyone decides on who or where to marry......and I think that was all that was being stated.
Anyways......have a great week:-)
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Only a malicious fool would deny the veracity of Gregoire's statement.. that describes a bigot perfectly..
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<quoted text> I agree with you.
And if we had any sense we would never set foot in a church.. A civilized person doesn't need ghosts to function properly..

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5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).
This is a quote from the site. Know can be interpreted in different ways and different versions of a bible. Anyway I'm out
Let's consult the people whose stories they are, ok?

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10122-...

Seems to me that they would understand their own folklore far better than some foreign gentiles.
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<quoted text>Gay people are the product of heterosexual marriages.
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Always vote NO on gay marriage for the sake of the little children.
Children should not have married parents? Where sis that silly idea come from?

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All I said was I have a problem with it and feel its disrespectful and you gay people ate acting like I just said I hate gays. Wow really? T......
If someone told you that they were against black people marrying because their marriages certainly can't be on the same level as any white couple, but let you know that their opinion was not based on hate of black people, what would YOU think?

To most of us, that would sound like that person hated black people and thought of them as "lesser" citizens.

That's how you sound to gay folks.

If you want to hurt someone's family and kids because of a simple natural trait that can IN NO WAY hurt YOU, then your opinion sure isn't based on love, now is it?

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So were most straight kids who grow up to marry.

Where do you think we learned to value it?

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Here's something you cab look at that a member of my old church had me read. This why I think what I think: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomo...
I'm not sure what your point it? There isn't a single mention of gay folks in the Sodom myth.

What could it possibly have to to with gay folks forming legally recognized families?

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5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).
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And yet there is NOOO mention that they were gay. Even Lot knew they we not, when he offered them is virgin daughters to rape instead. And he lived with them. He was perfectly aware that every man and boy in the town weren't gay.

It was about rape - the kind seen in prisons and the sort that brutal victors on battlefields engaged in to dehumanize others. And still do.

There is no mention of people who can only be attracted to the same gender marrying and forming families.

Unless I missed a section.
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I'm not sure what your point it? There isn't a single mention of gay folks in the Sodom myth.
What could it possibly have to to with gay folks forming legally recognized families?
To me, the take away from the Sodom and Gomorrah myth is the heinous nature of the dad - a father who would offer up his own virgin daughters to a mob for them to have his way with them. The deity in this story apparently thinks very highly of this man, but what does that say about that deity? Can you imagine a father doing this today? Dear old dad would be locked away for life, and rightfully so. Disgusting. Immoral. Evil.

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5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(NRSV: know them, NIV: can have sex with them, NJB: can have intercourse with them).
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You are clearly new at debate on Topix, so I will ease up and try to explain something.

First, admitting that you do not know the whole story of Sodom and Gomorrah is a problem in that you made assumptions based on what people told you. With that being said, I can assure you that gay people are very well versed in the story, because it is one that is systematically used to justify denying us the right to do things that heterosexuals take mostly for granted. As far as "know" goes, modern scholars and interpreters of the original text generally agree: "know" means rape. They were not trying to love the angel, they were trying to destroy the angel. In warfare, it was not uncommon for the victors to rape the defeated soldiers as a showing of supremacy, and this case is no different.

Gays and lesbians have had the Bible thrown at us from the pulpit since the conceptualization of homosexuality occured. What you speak of is the act of having sex with a member of the same sex, but what we speak of is being intrinsically attracted to members of the same sex with no capability of changing that orientation. So when the Bible is used to justify discrimination, bigotry, and hatred of gay people, in order to defend ourselves, we read those verses and researched them to understand WHY they were the way they were. And we know the answers far better than you do. When we say that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about rape, we can prove it. On that note, remember that Wikipedia is not a reputable source of information for the purposes of proving your point. It is generally dismissed because although it is an elaborate compilation of research, it does not prove that you have actually looked into the issue. Find a neutral source and see what they have to say.

This post is in the African-American section and in the Gay/Lesbian section because it has been flagged to have both issues within this article. It happens frequently.

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All I said was I have a problem with it and feel its disrespectful and you gay people ate acting like I just said I hate gays. Wow really? That's just my opinion I would tell my friends and fam in a heart beat the same thing I'm sharing with oh. I don't care what you do in the privacy of your home but that does not mean I like it. How is that judging? When I'm simply stating my opinion? Ok Ill admit I don't know the whole story I was only told this in a church I use to go to. I never said God hated gay people I never said gay people weren't allowed in a church ALL I said was I have a problem with then getting married in the church. That is all if you can just accosted what I said and not try to blow it out of proportions wed get along. You guys say I'm judging you but look who's really doing the judging. I can admit when I'm wrong. I don't know the whole story I'm only going off what I was told. And you cleared it up for me. I appreciative that but to say I'm judging you is wrong. Again all I said is I have a problem with it. Just like I feel uncomfortable with seeing gay and str8 people having over the top pda in public. It's the same as that. Geeezz did it serious have to turn into all of you ganging up on me like I'm some demon? BTW why is this topic in the AA forum anyway. Again not trying to be rude just curious. If you go back to my original comment. You will see that all I mean was I have an issue with it. And that I have an issue with child molesting priests... Any way I'm not responding any more this has nothing to do with the AA forum. You never stated anything about the AA that are gay you just put up about gay marriage. And I'm wasting my time talking to pellet who put words in my mouth.
Honey, what if I was to say, "I don't have a problem with black people. I have black friends and family members even. I don't mind them eating in a restaurant, but I just think it's disrespectful for them to expect to eat in MY restaurant. I just don't believe that black people should be let into the same restaurant *I* go to. I don't hate them at all. That's just what I believe."??

Would you think that opinion is one that comes from an educated and loving point of view? Or one of ignorance and fear?

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