RI Bishop Thomas Tobin Very Unhappy A...

RI Bishop Thomas Tobin Very Unhappy About Marriage Equality Passage

There are 41 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from May 2, 2013, titled RI Bishop Thomas Tobin Very Unhappy About Marriage Equality Passage . In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The passage of same-sex marriage in Rhode Island may have many people happy, it is not something that has made Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin happy at all.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#21 May 3, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
We get it, Foxy -- you despise the Catholic Church. But what I don't get is why you single them out. Your particular little ELCA denomination may approve of equal marriage, but the worldwide Lutheran Church is in EXACTLY the same position as the Catholics, and so are the Evangelicals and myriads of other, including the Episcopalian Church in Africa (Anglicans). Here is a recent statement from the President of the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church. I quote:
"I was in Seoul, Korea, for the biennial conference of the International Lutheran Council, an international association of 34 confessional Lutheran churches of which the Missouri Synod is a member. The ILC also addressed this issue, adopting unanimously a statement that said, in part,“Rooted in the Bible’s witness and in keeping with Christian teaching through 2,000 years, we continue to believe that the practice of homosexuality—in any and all situations— violates the will of the Creator God and must be recognized as sin.”
Say it ain't so! Please tell me all these churches are not also, as a matter of policy, working to deny us our constitutional right just like the Catholics!
And you also haven't told me yet whether you despise the ILC as much as you do the Catholics.
There is no "Lutheran Church". Various Christian denominations use the name "Lutheran", but they are still separate denominations just as Baptists and Methodists are separate denominations.

ELCA is the largest Lutheran denomination in the U.S.(and in the western hemisphere as well, I believe) and is a religious denomination separate and distinct from The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS)(also commonly called "The Misery Synod", and was the synod I was baptized into and raised in for more than 10 years), and is a separate and distinct denomination from The Lutheran Church-Wisconsin Synod, and any and all other Christian denominations, whether they have the name "Lutheran" in them or not.

And just as a point of info, I have also been an official member of The United Church Of Christ (once again, a separate Christian denomination) since 1996, I attended a UCC church regularly from 1995 - 2009, and presently attend a UCC church here in Arizona since I moved here in January, 2012.

The United Church Of Christ allows gay marriage in the church, as well as a gay clergy. Part of the roots of The United Church Of Christ come from Lutheranism (as well as Congregationalism), and ELCA and the UCC are in "Full Communion" with one another, meaning that the beliefs and practices of the 2 separate denominations have so much in common that clergy of each denomination are permitted to preach at one another's churches, and preside at the ceremonies of one another's churches.

I have been a Lutheran continuously since being baptized a Lutheran more than 50 years ago, and have also been a member of the UCC continuously since 1995.

While I understand that many people ASSUME hat any church with the name "Lutheran" in it's name is part of some large national, or world-wide "Lutheran Church", there simply is no such thing as a U.S. national "Lutheran Church" nor a global "Lutheran Church".

The ELCA and LCMS are 2 distinct and separate Christian denominations that are not related, nor do they cooperate with one another on any level that I am aware of. So any statements or policies of LCMS have noting to do at all with ELCA.(And besides that, ELCA Communion Beer is VASTLY SUPERIOR to LCMS Communion Beer.:))

“We are all atheists”

Since: May 11

Lewes, DE

#22 May 3, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
We get it, Foxy -- you despise the Catholic Church. But what I don't get is why you single them out...
I'm with you on this. The driving force behind all anti-gay animus is religion, and in this country, it's the Christian religion. Sure, there are some Christians and entire sects and denominations who are enlightened, but by and large, Christianity and its cousins (Judaism and Islam) are the biggest foes of equality.

Their hatred of "teh gay" is based on a mistranslated, grossly misinterpreted handful of verses from their holy tome, but I think this is just their cover. Their anti-gay animus is an innate characteristic, and they use whatever little verses they can find that might support their hatred.
disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#23 May 3, 2013
SUCK IT Bishop - tho you probabaly already have taken advantage of some mindless Alterboy

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#24 May 3, 2013
“Catholics should examine their consciences very carefully before deciding whether or not to endorse same-sex relationships or attend same-sex ceremonies, realizing that to do so might harm their relationship with God and cause significant scandal to others.”

God is having relationships with all Catholics? What a slut!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#25 May 3, 2013
Bishop Tobin can now go back to molesting little boys.....
Brian

Attleboro, MA

#26 May 3, 2013
All religions are mythical and dangerous to society. Atheism is the only answer to a just and peaceful world.

“We are all atheists”

Since: May 11

Lewes, DE

#27 May 3, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
“Catholics should examine their consciences very carefully before deciding whether or not to endorse same-sex relationships or attend same-sex ceremonies, realizing that to do so might harm their relationship with God and cause significant scandal to others.”
God is having relationships with all Catholics? What a slut!
I especially like his words about causing "significant scandal to others" !! Geez, how any roman catholic official can cast aspersions on others for "causing significant scandal" is the ultimate height of hypocrisy.

Since: Mar 09

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#29 May 3, 2013
qwerty26 wrote:
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I especially like his words about causing "significant scandal to others" !! Geez, how any roman catholic official can cast aspersions on others for "causing significant scandal" is the ultimate height of hypocrisy.
The hierarchy of the RCC lives within a monoculture of the mind that is decidedly a circular groupthink without significant outside influence. At times almost a group psychosis.

Since: Aug 11

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#30 May 3, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The hierarchy of the RCC lives within a monoculture of the mind that is decidedly a circular groupthink without significant outside influence. At times almost a group psychosis.
A circle J? LMAO

Since: Aug 11

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#31 May 3, 2013
qwerty26 wrote:
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I especially like his words about causing "significant scandal to others" !! Geez, how any roman catholic official can cast aspersions on others for "causing significant scandal" is the ultimate height of hypocrisy.
Yea, something like that.
AzAdam

Glendale, AZ

#32 May 3, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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But, as I said he CAN get married. Nothing and nobody is stopping him from doing so. It is apparently HIS own choice not to get married.
It was meant to be snarky. We are all aware that no law bars them from marriage. But since he's decided for himself to forego the institution entirely, he can stop acting like an expert on the subject. And STFU

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#33 May 4, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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There is no "Lutheran Church". Various Christian denominations use the name "Lutheran", but they are still separate denominations just as Baptists and Methodists are separate denominations.
ELCA is the largest Lutheran denomination in the U.S.(and in the western hemisphere as well, I believe) and is a religious denomination separate and distinct from The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS)...:))
I followed your explanation with a great deal of interest, Foxy, but notice that you have carefully sidestepped the question as to why you single out the Catholics when there seem to be so many, many other churches, including many 'Lutherans' close to home, who take bigoted views of homosexuality. It seems that you follow a strict 'cafeteria' policy -- answer only those questions that will not embarrass you. That's fine -- it's your right, as long as you realize that we do notice the silence.

I shall keep reminding you about the time when you stated that you would acknowledge your error on this forum if a particular prediction of yours proved to be wrong. Well, not only was your prediction wrong, but you simply went off the air for a couple of weeks only to re-emerge under a different name -- and never acknowledged the error of your prediction.(It had to do with Obama -- you said he would NEVER support the repeal of DADT.)

I'm not supporting the Catholics -- just pointing out that all religions are in the same boat, including yours.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#34 May 4, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
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I followed your explanation with a great deal of interest, Foxy, but notice that you have carefully sidestepped the question as to why you single out the Catholics when there seem to be so many, many other churches, including many 'Lutherans' close to home, who take bigoted views of homosexuality. It seems that you follow a strict 'cafeteria' policy -- answer only those questions that will not embarrass you. That's fine -- it's your right, as long as you realize that we do notice the silence.
I shall keep reminding you about the time when you stated that you would acknowledge your error on this forum if a particular prediction of yours proved to be wrong. Well, not only was your prediction wrong, but you simply went off the air for a couple of weeks only to re-emerge under a different name -- and never acknowledged the error of your prediction.(It had to do with Obama -- you said he would NEVER support the repeal of DADT.)
I'm not supporting the Catholics -- just pointing out that all religions are in the same boat, including yours.
Yes, I am extremely anti-Catholic, vocal about it, and proud of it. And I am anti-Catholic for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons include, but are not limited to" the ongoing sexual abuse scandals in the RCC, the ongoing coverups of these scandals, financial improprieties, including embezzlement, bribery, and a complete lack of financial transparency, their treatment of women in general and LGBT people in particular.

One main reason, but not the only reason, is because the RCC, IMHO is the most active, and most vocal in trying to force THEIR OWN NARROW religious views, by pressuring elected officials to write civil law according to Roman Catholic doctrine, to force people who CHOOSE NOT TO BE CATHOLIC, to follow their narrow and rigid rules.

And an obvious example of that is the RCC pressuring lawmakers NOT to grant equal marriage rights, or any other rights at all, to LGBT people. If various religious denominations, such as ELCA, TEC & UCC, support equal marriage rights for LGBT Americans, and permit LGBT Americans to marry in their churches, then WHY should that be prohibited by law JUST BECAUSE the RCC doesn't like it ?!

This is a matter of RELIGIOUS LIBERTY for ALL American citizens. ALL religious leaders should support that ! The RCC DOES NOT ! THAT is what makes them UN-American !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#35 May 4, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Yes, I am extremely anti-Catholic, vocal about it, and proud of it. And I am anti-Catholic for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons include, but are not limited to" the ongoing sexual abuse scandals in the RCC, the ongoing coverups of these scandals, financial improprieties, including embezzlement, bribery, and a complete lack of financial transparency, their treatment of women in general and LGBT people in particular.
One main reason, but not the only reason, is because the RCC, IMHO is the most active, and most vocal in trying to force THEIR OWN NARROW religious views, by pressuring elected officials to write civil law according to Roman Catholic doctrine, to force people who CHOOSE NOT TO BE CATHOLIC, to follow their narrow and rigid rules.
And an obvious example of that is the RCC pressuring lawmakers NOT to grant equal marriage rights, or any other rights at all, to LGBT people. If various religious denominations, such as ELCA, TEC & UCC, support equal marriage rights for LGBT Americans, and permit LGBT Americans to marry in their churches, then WHY should that be prohibited by law JUST BECAUSE the RCC doesn't like it ?!
This is a matter of RELIGIOUS LIBERTY for ALL American citizens. ALL religious leaders should support that ! The RCC DOES NOT ! THAT is what makes them UN-American !
Oh how very Christian of you dear!!!!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#36 May 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Oh how very Christian of you dear!!!!
The RCC actively works AGAINST religious freedom in the U.S. THAT is Evil. Taking a stand FOR religious freedom is NOT being a "bad Christian".

There's a story that a Roman centurion once went to Jesus Of Nazareth and asked him for help. The Roman centurion was most probably a pagan. Did Jesus say "Let me first convert you to my religion" or did He say, "Take me to your home so that I may help you," ?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#37 May 4, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The RCC actively works AGAINST religious freedom in the U.S. THAT is Evil. Taking a stand FOR religious freedom is NOT being a "bad Christian".
There's a story that a Roman centurion once went to Jesus Of Nazareth and asked him for help. The Roman centurion was most probably a pagan. Did Jesus say "Let me first convert you to my religion" or did He say, "Take me to your home so that I may help you," ?
Not really. They are reactionary. The more the leadership tries to control things, the more control they lose by attracting attention to the issues. It is an obvious irony.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#38 May 4, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The RCC actively works AGAINST religious freedom in the U.S. THAT is Evil. Taking a stand FOR religious freedom is NOT being a "bad Christian".
There's a story that a Roman centurion once went to Jesus Of Nazareth and asked him for help. The Roman centurion was most probably a pagan. Did Jesus say "Let me first convert you to my religion" or did He say, "Take me to your home so that I may help you," ?
Good point. How many Christians focus on Salvation and conversion rather than acts of compassion?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#39 May 4, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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The RCC actively works AGAINST religious freedom in the U.S. THAT is Evil. Taking a stand FOR religious freedom is NOT being a "bad Christian".
There's a story that a Roman centurion once went to Jesus Of Nazareth and asked him for help. The Roman centurion was most probably a pagan. Did Jesus say "Let me first convert you to my religion" or did He say, "Take me to your home so that I may help you," ?
You're only half remembering. According to the traditional record (questionable) this centurion had paid for the building of them synagogue.

Regarding your prior post, globally it's the ROC that is the most militant right now, with the American Dominionists' activities in Africa and elsewhere coming in a close second. I would place the Dominionist activities at the top of the list globally, and the ROC at the top on any national/regional level.
AzAdam

Scottsdale, AZ

#40 May 8, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Yes, I am extremely anti-Catholic, vocal about it, and proud of it. And I am anti-Catholic for a number of reasons. Some of those reasons include, but are not limited to" the ongoing sexual abuse scandals in the RCC, the ongoing coverups of these scandals, financial improprieties, including embezzlement, bribery, and a complete lack of financial transparency, their treatment of women in general and LGBT people in particular.
One main reason, but not the only reason, is because the RCC, IMHO is the most active, and most vocal in trying to force THEIR OWN NARROW religious views, by pressuring elected officials to write civil law according to Roman Catholic doctrine, to force people who CHOOSE NOT TO BE CATHOLIC, to follow their narrow and rigid rules.
And an obvious example of that is the RCC pressuring lawmakers NOT to grant equal marriage rights, or any other rights at all, to LGBT people. If various religious denominations, such as ELCA, TEC & UCC, support equal marriage rights for LGBT Americans, and permit LGBT Americans to marry in their churches, then WHY should that be prohibited by law JUST BECAUSE the RCC doesn't like it ?!
This is a matter of RELIGIOUS LIBERTY for ALL American citizens. ALL religious leaders should support that ! The RCC DOES NOT ! THAT is what makes them UN-American !
Very compelling. Not gonna lie

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#41 May 8, 2013
AzAdam wrote:
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Very compelling. Not gonna lie
Thank You.

:)

And not only was it "Very compelling", but as ALWAYS, it was Fair. And Balanced.

:)

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