Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

There are 22386 comments on the religion.blogs.cnn.com story from Feb 10, 2011, titled Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality. In it, religion.blogs.cnn.com reports that:

We often hears that Christians have no choice but to regard homosexuality as a sin - that Scripture simply demands it.

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“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#23100 Oct 6, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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I mean really now!!!! ROTFLMAO
It's those manly dogs his has instead of his children.

And did I see eye liner...

;-)

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#23101 Oct 6, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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It's those manly dogs his has instead of his children.
And did I see eye liner...
;-)
Not sure, just something about the look in his eyes.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

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Born in Newark Ohio

#23104 Oct 7, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
Does this look like a gay man to you?
http://www.myspace.com/loveoneanother55/photo...
I'd say it's along the lines of a bear in the woods or would a dick in his mouth make him look gay?

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#23105 Oct 7, 2012
Jedi Mind_Tricker wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, if it were not, then you would not be looking.
Not really, just saying.....

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#23106 Oct 7, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I'd say it's along the lines of a bear in the woods or would a dick in his mouth make him look gay?
He looks like the kind of man who would enjoy a dick in his mouth if he weren't so hung up on stupid stuff.

DNF

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Born in Newark Ohio

#23107 Oct 7, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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He looks like the kind of man who would enjoy a dick in his mouth if he weren't so hung up on stupid stuff.
well then how about we just agree it's a bear in the woods with his dick in his mouth hoping no one knows his boyfriend is gay...

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#23108 Oct 7, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>well then how about we just agree it's a bear in the woods with his dick in his mouth hoping no one knows his boyfriend is gay...
No doubt.... ROTFLMAO
Corbin

Pekin, IL

#23110 Oct 12, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
Does this look like a gay man to you?
http://www.myspace.com/loveoneanother55/photo...
Claiming someone shares your God-forbidden perversion really is your worst insult. Do you know how that makes YOU look?

Do you think your hateful fantasies about others somehow change the FACT that the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments?

You have failed to make any rational case against this FACT.

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Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#23112 Oct 13, 2012
Corbin wrote:
<quoted text>Claiming someone shares your God-forbidden perversion really is your worst insult. Do you know how that makes YOU look?
Do you think your hateful fantasies about others somehow change the FACT that the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments?
You have failed to make any rational case against this FACT.
Seek therapy, David, for GOD'S sake!

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#23113 Oct 13, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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Seek therapy, David, for GOD'S sake!
He should do it for his own sake instead of living in a delusional fantasy world.

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Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#23114 Oct 13, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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He should do it for his own sake instead of living in a delusional fantasy world.
True and it would stop his spreading hatred in the name of God.

Poor David, emotionally, spiritually, mentally bankrupt.........

DNF

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Born in Newark Ohio

#23118 Oct 13, 2012
Blayse wrote:
<quoted text>It isn't clear who removes the posts exposing the fraud and hate at the base of your horrible hate based radical homosexual movement. Clearly removal is against Topix rules. The fact remains that a huge number of posts exposing the fraud you espouse disappear.
Face reality, there is no rational case against the fact that the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior.
You need to re-read the terms of service. You also need to understand the functions of a Topix "Editor" , like me, the "Moderator", which I'm not and the staff that handles what are determined to be violation of the Terms of Service.

Violating the TOS is the only way, aside from a glitch or hacking, for a post to disappear and the ONLY CAUSE FOR REMOVING ANY POST.

DNF

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#23119 Oct 13, 2012
Blayse wrote:
<quoted text>Lying about my name doesn't cover up the issue. Posts fully complying with Topix Terms but exposing the hate, lies, and deception that lie at the base of your horrible hate based radical homosexual movement often disappear. The situation has improved somewhat, but still exists. It's unclear if the deleted posts are the result of homofascist Topix employees breaking the rules or if it is hackers.
Now, do you think your off topic post has in some way covered up the fact that EVERY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, and Judeo Christian tradition support the Bible's many explicit commands against homosexual behavior?
LITANY AGAINST FEAR

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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The OC

#23121 Oct 13, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I find it interesting that you'll use a few passages about homosexual acts that are probably badly translated and misinterpreted as the litmus test for everyone to use to decide if they are "cherry picking" the Bible. You're basically cherry picking which verses you'll use to decide if someone is following God's will or not. And you use your favorite verses to determine the degree of faith others put into what the Bible says. I'm always in awe when I come across someone who knows which version is the right one or which denomination is "the true faith"
It's pretty clear that once Saul came along and declared himself an apostle, a lot of what Jesus taught got "revised" to fit Paul's ideology. Then after 300 years of in-fighting, Emperor Constantine decides he'll fix everything by creating a blue ribbon panel to address the problems.
If you want to worship a book instead of God, that's your business. But please stop saying everyone else isn't following "God's Word" because they aren't using YOUR standards.
You just proved his point by referring to Paul as Saul. You don't believe the Bible. You believe some ot it and omit others...including the ones that are "probably" badly translated.

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The OC

#23122 Oct 13, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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The bible contains all things necessary for setting oneself upon one's own path toward salvation.
But this it is not: "... the accurate, unchanging and final word on whatever topic it addresses."
It was NEVER intended to be this.
"One's own path toward salvation"? Salvation from what?

DNF

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#23123 Oct 13, 2012
WaterBoarder wrote:
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You just proved his point by referring to Paul as Saul. You don't believe the Bible. You believe some ot it and omit others...including the ones that are "probably" badly translated.
I disagree. Paul was a very savvy individual.

You see I've asked a lot of knowledgeable people about many of the things Paul wrote. Once I understood what is accepted by many as his original intent I understood his writings better.

And yes I'm one of those people that often gets ticked off when people use 'original intent' to establish a premise for their interpretation of the Constitution.

But here's where it gets a bit tricky. I know that much of what is in the Bible is from interpretation of foreign languages from ancient texts.

I also know that much of the Bible (like the U.S. Constitution) was established from consensus. But I can read the U.S. Constitution in it's original language and go from there. I can't do that with the Bible.

I also believe (and snyper needs to look away at this point) that Paul's writings have value. I even think Paul believed he was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

But that raises another issue. It would seem (based on the number of different Christian sects and denominations), that the Holy Spirit and visitation by it are a very personal issue. Not one to be taken up by everyone else. I believe that is one of the massages Jesus spoke about.

So I have to rely on my faith in GOD first, and use my personal experience in life, prayer and meditation as a filter.

I've tried to explain before why Unitarian/Universalist ideology suits me. It's because it leaves all the hard questions up to me. And I think that is where "morality" really comes in.

My morals differ from other people in some areas. But for the most part my "morality" is pretty basic to most societies. Will I feel comfortable facing myself in the mirror tomorrow morning?

Society can't really answer that last question about itself because as a society we usually think of ourselves and our friends and family first. To me morality comes when you ask yourself how you're going to treat the people you disagree with or who tick you off.

And in that respect, EVERY society has usually been pretty bad in practicing THAT morality.

DNF

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#23124 Oct 13, 2012
OOOPSSS! messages Jesus spoke of not MASSAGES!

LOL

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#23125 Oct 13, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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True and it would stop his spreading hatred in the name of God.
Poor David, emotionally, spiritually, mentally bankrupt.........
Indeed, spiritual bankruptcy abounds.

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#23126 Oct 13, 2012
Corbin wrote:
<quoted text>Claiming someone shares your God-forbidden perversion really is your worst insult. Do you know how that makes YOU look?
Do you think your hateful fantasies about others somehow change the FACT that the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments?
You have failed to make any rational case against this FACT.
We all know you are insulted by who you really are David.

Your mental illness has not gone unnoticed.
Caleb

Pekin, IL

#23127 Oct 14, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree. Paul was a very savvy individual.
You see I've asked a lot of knowledgeable people about many of the things Paul wrote. Once I understood what is accepted by many as his original intent I understood his writings better.
And yes I'm one of those people that often gets ticked off when people use 'original intent' to establish a premise for their interpretation of the Constitution.
But here's where it gets a bit tricky. I know that much of what is in the Bible is from interpretation of foreign languages from ancient texts.
I also know that much of the Bible (like the U.S. Constitution) was established from consensus. But I can read the U.S. Constitution in it's original language and go from there. I can't do that with the Bible.
I also believe (and snyper needs to look away at this point) that Paul's writings have value. I even think Paul believed he was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
But that raises another issue. It would seem (based on the number of different Christian sects and denominations), that the Holy Spirit and visitation by it are a very personal issue. Not one to be taken up by everyone else. I believe that is one of the massages Jesus spoke about.
So I have to rely on my faith in GOD first, and use my personal experience in life, prayer and meditation as a filter.
I've tried to explain before why Unitarian/Universalist ideology suits me. It's because it leaves all the hard questions up to me. And I think that is where "morality" really comes in.
My morals differ from other people in some areas. But for the most part my "morality" is pretty basic to most societies. Will I feel comfortable facing myself in the mirror tomorrow morning?
Society can't really answer that last question about itself because as a society we usually think of ourselves and our friends and family first. To me morality comes when you ask yourself how you're going to treat the people you disagree with or who tick you off.
And in that respect, EVERY society has usually been pretty bad in practicing THAT morality.
You are really on the wrong thread. This isn't about your own non-Christian views, it is about the irrefutable FACT that the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments:

Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

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