Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

[Jonas]

EdmondWA wrote:

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Was someone "wicked" to you? Is that your problem?
Don't worry about how other people are finding happiness, that's for THEM to decide and define, not you.

This thread is about the irrefutable *FACT* that there is no rational reason to discount the Bible's many irrefutable commands against all homosexual behavior.

Are you lost?

[RevKen]

Jonas wrote:

<quoted text>This thread is about the irrefutable *FACT* that there is no rational reason to discount the Bible's many irrefutable commands against all homosexual behavior.
Are you lost?

LOL!!!....

Why? What? Are YOU offering to be the guide?

No. This thread is about exactly what the thread heading says:

Reconsidering what the bible is often quoted as saying about tribal taboo and misconceptions regarding same-sex relationship.

It is not about what YOU are saying it is about. What YOU are saying is your own opinion. You improperly use scripture to bolster YOUR argument.

The Teachings of Jesus, the Christ, prevail in these matters. What did He say about same-sex relationships?

[WasteWater]

Homo-fascist lifestyle behavior and open rebellion to God.

Total worthless BS.

LMAO

[LuLu Ford]

WasteWater wrote:

Homo-fascist lifestyle behavior and open rebellion to God.
Total worthless BS.
LMAO

No doubt... lol

[MiddleWay]

Jonas wrote:

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EVERY ancient Bible text, Bible translation, and Judeo Christian tradition supports the Bible's many commands against all homosexual behavior.
Neither you nor ANY of the other mindless homofascist anti-Christian bigots has been able to cite ANY to the contrary.

Well, yes, I can as I spend much of my time working in Tel Aviv on ancient Biblical texts and the correct translations, not the church add-ins.

That and my degree in theology.

Again, poor David, I'm not homosexual, I have a beautiful wife (studying to become an Episcopal Priest) and wonderful children and a few grandchildren.

How's your wife and kids?

Looks like God's punishment has already begun for you..........

[WasteWater]

MiddleWay wrote:

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Well, yes, I can as I spend much of my time working in Tel Aviv on ancient Biblical texts and the correct translations, not the church add-ins.
That and my degree in theology.
Again, poor David, I'm not homosexual, I have a beautiful wife (studying to become an Episcopal Priest) and wonderful children and a few grandchildren.
How's your wife and kids?
Looks like God's punishment has already begun for you..........

Poor David.

What a pitiful creature.

[Jonas]

MiddleWay wrote:

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Well, yes, I can as I spend much of my time working in Tel Aviv on ancient Biblical texts and the correct translations, not the church add-ins.
That and my degree in theology.
Again, poor David, I'm not homosexual, I have a beautiful wife (studying to become an Episcopal Priest) and wonderful children and a few grandchildren.
How's your wife and kids?
Looks like God's punishment has already begun for you..........

IF your fantasy were true, why can you not cite ANY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition that places in question the Bible's many commands against your homosexual lifestyle choice?????

Hint: you are supporting a lie.

[EdmondWA]

Jonas wrote:

This thread is about the irrefutable *FACT* that there is no rational reason to discount the Bible's many irrefutable commands against all homosexual behavior.
Are you lost?

Why, do you have directions? Are you in charge here?

You know perfectly well that this thread is for people who have the brain power to look at the bible's NONSENSE, and RETHINK it, identifying it as unworkable in the real world.

That's what I've done. Have you? Or are you too busy accusing people of "wickedness", people who have never met you, never seen you, never spoken to you, and who will NEVER interact with you in ANY way?

How in the hell could such people be "wicked" to you? Does EVERYONE'S sex life put you in a tizzy, or just gay people? Is there some kind of "gay radiation" that rolls through the air, finally settling on your house, subjecting you to "wickedness"?

You are inventing crimes where none have been committed, you slanderous cry-baby. No one has been "wicked" to you, not by being gay.

[Jonas]

EdmondWA wrote:

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Why, do you have directions? Are you in charge here?
You know perfectly well that this thread is for people who have the brain power to look at the bible's NONSENSE, and RETHINK it, identifying it as unworkable in the real world.
That's what I've done. Have you? Or are you too busy accusing people of "wickedness", people who have never met you, never seen you, never spoken to you, and who will NEVER interact with you in ANY way?
How in the hell could such people be "wicked" to you? Does EVERYONE'S sex life put you in a tizzy, or just gay people? Is there some kind of "gay radiation" that rolls through the air, finally settling on your house, subjecting you to "wickedness"?
You are inventing crimes where none have been committed, you slanderous cry-baby. No one has been "wicked" to you, not by being gay.

The Bible repeatedly condemns your lifestyle choice. Your post has amazingly little to do with anything I've posted.

You seem to be very guilty an paranoid about choosing to live in open rebellion against God's many commands against homosexual behavior. The only way you will ever find peace in this life or the next is to repent.

[EdmondWA]

Jonas wrote:

The Bible repeatedly condemns your lifestyle choice.

The bible condemns a LOT of crazy stuff. Even modern Christians flatly ignore most of it. Is that OK? Is it OK for Christians to just CHUCK whatever parts of the bible are offensive to modern humans? Shouldn't Christians CONTINUE condemning EVERYTHING that the bible says to condemn? Why don't they? Why do they pick and choose to obey the parts they want, and skip the parts they don't want?

Jonas wrote:

Your post has amazingly little to do with anything I've posted.

You want everyone to obey the bible. My post wants to know: what if the bible is FALSE? It would be foolish to obey falsehoods. Do you have any way for us to CHECK if the bible is true or false? I'm guessing no.

Jonas wrote:

You seem to be very guilty an paranoid about choosing to live in open rebellion against God's many commands against homosexual behavior.

How do you identify "guilt" and "paranoia"? By people telling you that they should be free to love? By people telling you that we should be cautious about obeying ancient books featuring talking animals? Oh yeah, I'm GUILTY of trying to enjoy the freedom that my nation upholds. I'm PARANOID about the unicorns coming to get me!

Jonas wrote:

The only way you will ever find peace in this life or the next is to repent.

Can you prove that there's a "next life"? Because, I'm already deliriously happy in THIS life, with my gay partner, so you're already wrong on one count. I HAVE to suspect that you're wrong about this "next life" too.

What is the point of having ONE life, if there's going to be another? What can an "all-knowing" being learn about us in 80 years, that he didn't already know? Is he just trying to figure out who to burn for all eternity, because he didn't know BEFORE putting them in this "pre-life"? Is the universe so short on suffering, that he needs to create more people to fill his fiery torture chamber?

You don't know any of these answers. They wouldn't make sense if you tried.

People should know the DANGERS of subscribing to unproven superstitious fables.

Christians will stone your daughters to DEATH if they aren't virgins on their wedding nights! Oh, wait, no they won't, because that's another "rule" they ignore from the bible.

Watch out, because Christians will KILL you if you go in to work on the weekend!! Oh, sorry, that's ANOTHER rule they've forgotten completely.

Look out, gay people, Christians believe that you should be put to DEATH for being gay!

Huh, some of them do THAT one. And if they don't KILL you, they WILL try to destroy your self esteem, make an outcast of you in society, and deny you any legal protections.

How loving. How could I NOT embrace such a wonderful message? And it's believable too, because it comes right from the donkey's mouth!

[Jonas]

EdmondWA wrote:

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The bible condemns a LOT of crazy stuff. Even modern Christians flatly ignore most of it. Is that OK? Is it OK for Christians to just CHUCK whatever parts of the bible are offensive to modern humans?

Your comments are those of a ridiculous anti-Christian bigot who does not have even the most basic comprehension of the Bible, the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, and the Christian view of both.

The Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.

[EdmondWA]

Jonas wrote:

Your comments are those of a ridiculous anti-Christian bigot who does not have even the most basic comprehension of the Bible, the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, and the Christian view of both.

And yours are the comments of someone completely uninterested in explaining any of it.

Jonas wrote:

The Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.

The bible repeatedly features magic. So? Being repetetive doesn't make it true.

[Jonas]

EdmondWA wrote:

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And yours are the comments of someone completely uninterested in explaining any of it.
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The bible repeatedly features magic. So? Being repetetive doesn't make it true.

Liar, I have posted quite a bit of information that would have cured your bigoted hateful ignorance had you really any honest interest.

This thread remains on the topic of the Bible's many irrefutable condemnations of your perverted lifestyle choice.

[MiddleWay]

Jonas wrote:

<quoted text>Liar, I have posted quite a bit of information that would have cured your bigoted hateful ignorance had you really any honest interest.
This thread remains on the topic of the Bible's many irrefutable condemnations of your perverted lifestyle choice.

How many times is loving others in the Bible?

I know it's more than the 6 out of context verses you base your soul on.

What are the two greatest commandments according to the Messiah Yeshua?

Bitterness, fear and hate never win.

I read the back of the Book, love and compassion win....

[RevKen]

Jonas wrote:

<quoted text>IF your fantasy were true, why can you not cite ANY Bible translation, ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian tradition that places in question the Bible's many commands against your homosexual lifestyle choice?????
Hint: you are supporting a lie.

LMAO!!!!.....

IF YOUR fantasy were true, why can YOU not cite from even ONE Bible translation,ancient Bible text, or Judeo-Christian scripture or apocryphal writing even ONE SINGLE QUOTE from Jesus Christ that supports and verifies YOUR homophobic, hypocritical and bigoted attitude?

The Two Great Commandments reiterated by Jesus Christ are all that are needed to place in question the Bible's select few pronouncements that you repeatedly present and which are founded in taboo and superstition-based misconceptions about same-sex orientation and relationship.

Modern science and psychological realizations - Truth - have proven that homosexuality is a natural, normal sexual orientation among a small, present and historically, persistently occurring section of the human spectrum of sexual expression.
Jesus said, "I am the Truth ..." This IS the Truth.

Homosexuality is not a "lifestyle." It is a natural sexual expression, most generally evident in the individual from their first cognitive recollection. That is, from childhood.

What does Jesus say to YOU about how children are to be permitted, without obstruction by you or anyone else, to come to Him?

If anyone here is supporting and living in a lie, it is YOU, Mr. Manito-Lacon Manurehead whatever your name is, Jonas or Judas or whatever.

Rev. Ken

[RevKen]

MiddleWay wrote:

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How many times is loving others in the Bible?
I know it's more than the 6 out of context verses you base your soul on.
What are the two greatest commandments according to the Messiah Yeshua?
Bitterness, fear and hate never win.
I read the back of the Book, love and compassion win....

Brilliant!!! Beautiful!!!

Both Barrels aimed squarely and let loose to cure the heart of the bigot!

Do it again! Let him have it. He needs it, repeatedly.

Pretty soon the whole town and general area of Manito and Lacon Illinois where this Jerk resides will become so saturated with the Light, Life and Love of Christ that he won't even dare to come outside, for fear of encountering a pair of actual honest-to-goodness disciples of Christ Jesus who live in an honest and openly exclusive, committed, trusting, same-sex relationship.

Only takes two people like that, you know, to tip the old applecart over.

Jesus said, "Action speaks louder than word." and He IS the Word.

He and she who have ears to hear and eyes to see, let them comprehend also.

Rev. Ken

[RevKen]

Jonas wrote:

<quoted text>Liar, I have posted quite a bit of information that would have cured your bigoted hateful ignorance had you really any honest interest.
This thread remains on the topic of the Bible's many irrefutable condemnations of your perverted lifestyle choice.

LMFAO!!!.....(The F stands for Friar.)

This thread remains on the topic of the thread heading - "Rethinking the Bible on Homosexuality."

YOU would try to declare the thread content to be different by changing, misconstruing, it into something of your own making.

But, you are not very successful in this, are you?

No. You are not. You are a dismal failure in this and are becoming less and less of a factor in the conversation every day. In fact, each time you post your broken record of hypocritical, bigoted and homophobic negativity, you drive yourself and your formerly institutionalized position further into arrears.

Go ahead. Do it again. We'll watch. But, there will be very little agreement posted with you and you will be roundly chastised for your deliberate ignorance, here.

In the Spirit, you will be held accountable for it.

Rev. Ken

[Jonas]

MiddleWay wrote:

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How many times is loving others in the Bible?
I know it's more than the 6 out of context verses you base your soul on.
What are the two greatest commandments according to the Messiah Yeshua?
Bitterness, fear and hate never win.
I read the back of the Book, love and compassion win....

You have completely failed to show that the verses I've quoted are out of context. Indeed, they condemn all homosexual behavior in all contexts. You fail to make any case to the contrary.

[EdmondWA]

Jonas wrote:

Liar, I have posted quite a bit of information that would have cured your bigoted hateful ignorance had you really any honest interest.

So explain how animals talked. Explain why the people who they spoke to weren't surprised in the least. Explain why Balaam wanted to KILL his talking animal, rather than celebrate its uniqueness. Explain how this ISN'T simply the myth of primitives.

Jonas wrote:

This thread remains on the topic of the Bible's many irrefutable condemnations of your perverted lifestyle choice.

The topic is RETHINKING. See that up there? That word in the title? THAT defines the topic. It is NOT about believers simply patting each other on the back for swallowing such stories whole. It is about taking the OLD thoughts about these subjects, and RETHINKING them in a modern context (where the Bible CLEARLY does not fit).

If the Bible's condemnations of homosexuality are irrefutable and valid, then it's PUNISHMENT for homosexuality must ALSO be irrefutable and valid.

Why aren't you out killing gay people? The Bible instructs you to do that. Why have you cherry-picked the condemnation, and removed the punishment?

When is there a crime WITHOUT a punishment? Should there be ANY punishment, for something that is condemned? Should we go to jail? Should we be fined? Why did God call for our execution centuries ago, but not today? For that matter, why did God issue the Commandment NEVER to kill, BEFORE issuing the order that gay people should be killed?

Go ahead, explain.

[DNF]

Jonas wrote:

<quoted text>How sad that in your fantasy you choose to deprive a child of a mother!
What are you, 16?

If a child is deprived a mother is that sort of like the Virgin Birth in reverse? It amazes me that you think a child could exist if it never had a mother!

Sounds like the old chicken and the egg thing to me DAVID!

You're such a delusional and fanatical twit.

Go back and re-read the post you responded to. Then explain where a child comes from that never had a mother to birth it.