Todd Starnes: Students want anti-gay priest removed from university

Apr 5, 2013 Full story: Fox News 19

Religious liberty groups are mobilizing to defend the chaplain of George Washington University's Newman Center after gay students launched an effort to have the priest fired because he preaches against homosexuality and abortion.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Apr 5, 2013
Methinks he doth protest too much !

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#2 Apr 6, 2013
This is nonsense. A "Newman Center" is effectively a club, or it's a franchise outlet for the RCC.

Either way, it should be left alone.

Somebody go put a leash on these kids.

Do I have to come back to the US?

Momma WILL spank!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#3 Apr 6, 2013
Outlaw homophobia
.
Lock the wretched offenders into their own dungeons and free the gay people!
.
;o))

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#4 Apr 6, 2013
Bad move. Although this protest will go nowhere, the anti-gay will point to the incident for decades as evidence of the bullying good Christians suffer at the hands of the pro-homosexual radicals.

Up until now, the conspiracy spinners had to pull their examples from Canada or Europe. Now they have an example right here in the District of Columbia.

Since: Mar 09

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#5 Apr 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
Bad move. Although this protest will go nowhere, the anti-gay will point to the incident for decades as evidence of the bullying good Christians suffer at the hands of the pro-homosexual radicals.
Up until now, the conspiracy spinners had to pull their examples from Canada or Europe. Now they have an example right here in the District of Columbia.
Exactly!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#6 Apr 6, 2013
They can have their little club, but the school should not be funding it. That does NOT mean that students should not protest his message; gay students and their supporters don't have to be quiet just because it offends the sheep. The church of institutionalized child molestation should not be pushing any kind of "moral superiority".
snyper wrote:
This is nonsense. A "Newman Center" is effectively a club, or it's a franchise outlet for the RCC.
Either way, it should be left alone.
Somebody go put a leash on these kids.
Do I have to come back to the US?
Momma WILL spank!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7 Apr 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They can have their little club, but the school should not be funding it. That does NOT mean that students should not protest his message; gay students and their supporters don't have to be quiet just because it offends the sheep. The church of institutionalized child molestation should not be pushing any kind of "moral superiority".
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We "should" not be "should-ing" all over them.

Look at this from the perspective of history, and try (try really hard) to not make martyrs of them. That is their easiest and historically most successful spin. If THAT becomes the narrative, and they are masters at controlling narrative, they win every time.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#8 Apr 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They can have their little club, but the school should not be funding it. That does NOT mean that students should not protest his message; gay students and their supporters don't have to be quiet just because it offends the sheep. The church of institutionalized child molestation should not be pushing any kind of "moral superiority".
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I have no issues with countering the church's message. But demanding removal of officers based on their expression of church doctrine goes too far.

In part, my concern is self-serving: I remember when suggesting that gay people shoul be free to live their lives--much less be treated equally-- was heretical in every segment of American society, including the gay community itself. Because we have strong speech protections, a few brave people were able to proclaim a message that gathered force.

It does no good to silence those with an inferior message. That tactic is reserved for those without the confidence to confront opposition.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#9 Apr 7, 2013
We don't live in history, and nothing is ever achieved if we try to second-guess social perception.
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
We "should" not be "should-ing" all over them.
Look at this from the perspective of history, and try (try really hard) to not make martyrs of them. That is their easiest and historically most successful spin. If THAT becomes the narrative, and they are masters at controlling narrative, they win every time.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#10 Apr 7, 2013
They can demand his removal--it's part of protesting. It also has some bite if this group is getting funded by the school. It's like the boy scouts; they can do what they want as a private organization, but they don't get public funding if they are discriminating. Otherwise, they can do as they wish.
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no issues with countering the church's message. But demanding removal of officers based on their expression of church doctrine goes too far.
In part, my concern is self-serving: I remember when suggesting that gay people shoul be free to live their lives--much less be treated equally-- was heretical in every segment of American society, including the gay community itself. Because we have strong speech protections, a few brave people were able to proclaim a message that gathered force.
It does no good to silence those with an inferior message. That tactic is reserved for those without the confidence to confront opposition.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#11 Apr 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
We don't live in history, and nothing is ever achieved if we try to second-guess social perception.
<quoted text>
Sorry. I disagree.

"Those who learn from history are condemned to watch other people repeat it." - D. Bradspies

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#12 Apr 7, 2013
Right. Gays remained silent while the RCC and other churches demeaned them and demonized them. Nothing happened until we starting talking back. I see no reason to repeat a strategy that did nothing for us.
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. I disagree.
"Those who learn from history are condemned to watch other people repeat it." - D. Bradspies

Since: Mar 09

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#13 Apr 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Right. Gays remained silent while the RCC and other churches demeaned them and demonized them. Nothing happened until we starting talking back. I see no reason to repeat a strategy that did nothing for us.
<quoted text>
It's entirely possible to "talk back" WITHOUT making martyrs of them.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#14 Apr 7, 2013
They will make martyrs of themselves regardless of how we approach them. Didn't you know? EVERYBODY picks on the christians.
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
It's entirely possible to "talk back" WITHOUT making martyrs of them.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#15 Apr 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They will make martyrs of themselves regardless of how we approach them. Didn't you know? EVERYBODY picks on the christians.
<quoted text>
This is true. But we should make certain that their claims of martyrdom make them look like clowns, not martyrs.

Since: Mar 09

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#16 Apr 8, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
They will make martyrs of themselves regardless of how we approach them. Didn't you know? EVERYBODY picks on the christians.
<quoted text>
It's one thing to get on a person for what that person does. It's another to ...

Remember how it felt?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17 Apr 8, 2013
I don't recall gays saying that straights were inferior and not worthy of rights, or gay churches tellling heteros anything of the sort, either. This isn't just a church; it's an on-campus organization that gets funding paid for in part by the same students they denigrate.
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
It's one thing to get on a person for what that person does. It's another to ...
Remember how it felt?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#18 Apr 8, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I don't recall gays saying that straights were inferior and not worthy of rights, or gay churches tellling heteros anything of the sort, either. This isn't just a church; it's an on-campus organization that gets funding paid for in part by the same students they denigrate.
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ya mean like the Campus Democrats denigrating the Campus Libertarians (yeah, both of them !).

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#19 Apr 8, 2013
If they are getting school funding, the CD's should have consequences, too.
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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ya mean like the Campus Democrats denigrating the Campus Libertarians (yeah, both of them !).

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