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A rally at the University of Virginia's rotunda called on university administrators to take action to stop another hate crime from happening on campus. Full Story
sure

Charlottesville, VA

#50 Dec 6, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
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I NEVER said they have chosen to love a different way...if you read the quote below you will see that I will not argue whether it is a choice or not. Being the parent of a gay child and having watched that child struggle with it for years I cannot imagine why anyone would choose to live a life that will draw haters and bigots to ridicule and persecute them. Knowing what society thinks and what our hearts tell us can often times be two totally different things. And I might add where is your imperical data that proves people are not born gay? I don't have scientific data or statistics; what I do have is a child who loves differently than I do but loves unconditionally without judgment or ridicule; something I think you and many others lack in our society. Bigotry shines through in many ways.
What I said was:
"Those rallying are rallying for equality, peace and the idea that we live in a free country and should be allowed to live the way want/choose/or are born to live. I will not argue whether it's a choice or not...we all have our own beliefs on that, however, nobody deserves to be ridiculed, beaten, mocked or scorned because of the way they live. I am sure that the way you live is different from others and could be mocked or scorned too. To love others unconditionally without judgment or mockery is how these folks want to live. If you don't agree then so be it; but why is it necessary to ridicule and scorn...that's just hateful and wrong. "
Did you ever think of keeping your sexuality private? Most people conduct themselves in public without getting unwanted/unwelcome attention about sexuality. Acting like a slut or a bonfire in public always attracts attention that might not be positive. If you don't like the unwanted, maybe it's time to remove the bait.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#51 Dec 6, 2012
sure wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you ever think of keeping your sexuality private? Most people conduct themselves in public without getting unwanted/unwelcome attention about sexuality. Acting like a **** or a bonfire in public always attracts attention that might not be positive. If you don't like the unwanted, maybe it's time to remove the bait.
Because most people don't have to fear for their safety because of people like you who are waiting to pounce. Those who attended the rally were not misbehaving, they were merely drawing attention to the fact that EVERYONE deserves to live their lives without being mistreated, beaten or ridiculed no matter what the reason. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp...live your life, they live theirs...end of story.
Native

Charlottesville, VA

#52 Dec 6, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because most people don't have to fear for their safety because of people like you who are waiting to pounce. Those who attended the rally were not misbehaving, they were merely drawing attention to the fact that EVERYONE deserves to live their lives without being mistreated, beaten or ridiculed no matter what the reason. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp...live your life, they live theirs...end of story.
If it where that simple, you would not be on this tread touting your spew. They really are misfits and are pretty apt to remain so...tolerated on some level but fringe at best.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Dec 6, 2012
Native wrote:
<quoted text>
If it where that simple, you would not be on this tread touting your spew. They really are misfits and are pretty apt to remain so...tolerated on some level but fringe at best.
It is simple...live and let live..it's blow hard bigots such as yourself who "spews" hatred. I would gladly take my open minded, level headed, kind, intelligent, non-judgmental gay child versus someone with close minded views such as yourself.
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#55 Dec 6, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is simple...live and let live..it's blow hard bigots such as yourself who "spews" hatred. I would gladly take my open minded, level headed, kind, intelligent, non-judgmental gay child versus someone with close minded views such as yourself.
Gay child is an oxymoron. The DSM 4 doesn't even address homosexuality. What is known is that a childs brain depending on age is years from full development, still operating as a lizard. For a child to see them self as homosexual is ridiculous. They don't even know themselves yet much less ascribe to one sexuality or another. There are two distinct aspects of the human mind, IQ and EQ, one we can measure at very young ages, the is developed well into adult years and sometimes never fully matured. Someone has a lot to learn about them self. Emotional instability seems to be a very common denominator in cases like this, a lack of self identity, ergo.......

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#56 Dec 7, 2012
thinking free wrote:
<quoted text>Gay child is an oxymoron. The DSM 4 doesn't even address homosexuality. What is known is that a childs brain depending on age is years from full development, still operating as a lizard. For a child to see them self as homosexual is ridiculous. They don't even know themselves yet much less ascribe to one sexuality or another. There are two distinct aspects of the human mind, IQ and EQ, one we can measure at very young ages, the is developed well into adult years and sometimes never fully matured. Someone has a lot to learn about them self. Emotional instability seems to be a very common denominator in cases like this, a lack of self identity, ergo.......
Let me speciffy that my child is 20 years old and Has more emotional stability, intellect and self awareness than most older adults I know.
sure

Charlottesville, VA

#57 Dec 7, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me speciffy that my child is 20 years old and Has more emotional stability, intellect and self awareness than most older adults I know.
You seem a little shrill; I hope you calm down by the time the Grandchildren arrive.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#58 Dec 7, 2012
sure wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem a little shrill; I hope you calm down by the time the Grandchildren arrive.
Not shrill...I welcome the idea of grandchildren and know that when I do have them they will grow up in a house filled with unconditional non-judgmental love.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#59 Dec 7, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER said they have chosen to love a different way...if you read the quote below you will see that I will not argue whether it is a choice or not. Being the parent of a gay child and having watched that child struggle with it for years I cannot imagine why anyone would choose to live a life that will draw haters and bigots to ridicule and persecute them. Knowing what society thinks and what our hearts tell us can often times be two totally different things. And I might add where is your imperical data that proves people are not born gay? I don't have scientific data or statistics; what I do have is a child who loves differently than I do but loves unconditionally without judgment or ridicule; something I think you and many others lack in our society. Bigotry shines through in many ways.
What I said was:
"Those rallying are rallying for equality, peace and the idea that we live in a free country and should be allowed to live the way want/choose/or are born to live. I will not argue whether it's a choice or not...we all have our own beliefs on that, however, nobody deserves to be ridiculed, beaten, mocked or scorned because of the way they live. I am sure that the way you live is different from others and could be mocked or scorned too. To love others unconditionally without judgment or mockery is how these folks want to live. If you don't agree then so be it; but why is it necessary to ridicule and scorn...that's just hateful and wrong. "
I quote from our previous post(#32)..."As the parent of a gay student who attended the rally at UVA I applaud them for standing up for their right as HUMAN beings to live freely and not get beaten up or discrimitated against because they love differently than others. "
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#60 Dec 7, 2012
"your" previous, not"our"
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#61 Dec 7, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not shrill...I welcome the idea of grandchildren and know that when I do have them they will grow up in a house filled with unconditional non-judgmental love.
But if your gay daughter takes a female lover/spouse who is also gay, Where will the grandchildren come from?
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#62 Dec 7, 2012
sure wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you ever think of keeping your sexuality private? Most people conduct themselves in public without getting unwanted/unwelcome attention about sexuality. Acting like a **** or a bonfire in public always attracts attention that might not be positive. If you don't like the unwanted, maybe it's time to remove the bait.
Well said.
buyerbeware

Charlottesville, VA

#63 Dec 7, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me speciffy that my child is 20 years old and Has more emotional stability, intellect and self awareness than most older adults I know.
Were you there for her when her homosexual "orientation" was being formed? or did you just say, "honey, whatever you want to do is fine" and let her figure it out? Or do you believe as pattysboi does that we are born gay/straight?
G Luv

Charlottesville, VA

#64 Dec 7, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>I quote from our previous post(#32)..."As the parent of a gay student who attended the rally at UVA I applaud them for standing up for their right as HUMAN beings to live freely and not get beaten up or discrimitated against because they love differently than others. "
Still logically challenged, I see.
G Luv

Charlottesville, VA

#65 Dec 7, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>Well said.
No it's not. They are the words of a thug who thinks he can use the threat of violence to silence others. We decry this behavior around the world on a daily basis; why should it be acceptable in this situation?
thinking free

Charlottesville, VA

#66 Dec 7, 2012
UVA Mom of 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me speciffy that my child is 20 years old and Has more emotional stability, intellect and self awareness than most older adults I know.
Thats nice, but as a parent I'm sure you love to believe that, reality dictates otherwise.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#67 Dec 7, 2012
Ironic name choice.
thinking free wrote:
Gay child is an oxymoron.
According to whom, dear?
thinking free wrote:
The DSM 4 doesn't even address homosexuality.
The DSM is a diagnostician's tool for identifying mental health problem, there is no reason for it to address homosexuality, because it is not in and of itself a mental health problem. It never was, even though it had been listed as such at one time.
thinking free wrote:
What is known is that a childs brain depending on age is years from full development, still operating as a lizard.
Uh-huh, yeah. We're well aware that children are still developing on a variety of levels, some better, some worse than others.
thinking free wrote:
For a child to see them self as homosexual is ridiculous.[/QUO"TE]Accor ding to whom dear?[QUOTE who="thinking free"]They don't even know themselves yet much less ascribe to one sexuality or another.
A sweeping generalization that reality snickers at. Speaking as a former gay child myself, your notion that you know us better than we do ourselves is cute, but not particularly compelling.
thinking free wrote:
There are two distinct aspects of the human mind, IQ and EQ, one we can measure at very young ages, the is developed well into adult years and sometimes never fully matured.
If that's what you want to limit us to, go right ahead, but it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject at hand. Intellectual and emotional capacity isn't sexual orientation specific.
thinking free wrote:
Someone has a lot to learn about them self.
Everybody does dear.
thinking free wrote:
Emotional instability seems to be a very common denominator in cases like this, a lack of self identity, ergo.......
Emotional instability is pretty darn common among straight people too, if you ask me. Just read some of the posts here, some of your fellow heterosexuals are wound a wee bit too tight.

Reality check, our homosexuality is something we grow into, you know, like your heterosexuality. It is instinctual, you know, like your heterosexuality. We learn what to do with our homosexuality, you know, like you did with your heterosexuality. Well, not quite, like you, we are raised under the presumption that we're going to be straight, but unlike you, we're never going to be. Think about it.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#68 Dec 7, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>Were you there for her when her homosexual "orientation" was being formed? or did you just say, "honey, whatever you want to do is fine" and let her figure it out? Or do you believe as pattysboi does that we are born gay/straight?
I believe that my daughter is gay. I know that she fought the feelings she had for a long time; she even dated boys in high school. For me, I believe that this is not something she chose or something that she actively sought out to be. It is one of the most difficult challenges we have faced as a family knowing that there are people in this world who will hate her for being gay. I don't believe that anyone would choose to be mistreated, hated, degraded, ridiculed or discriminated against. And to answer your question:I am always there for her and always will be.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#69 Dec 7, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
"your" previous, not"our"
but I NEVER said it was a choice...I said they desire to live freely...I desire to live freely. Whether gay or straight everyone deserves to live their lives freely. And I said they love differently; I did not say they chose to live differently.

Since: Dec 12

Charlottesville, VA

#70 Dec 7, 2012
buyerbeware wrote:
<quoted text>But if your gay daughter takes a female lover/spouse who is also gay, Where will the grandchildren come from?
There are many children waiting to be adopted.

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