Stories Clash in Hate Crime Death

[NAT]

Bill wrote:

Dirty, Disrespectful, stinky Russians......GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!! You need an interpreter to speak to the media, can't even learn are language (or don't want to) and yet you feel it is ok to sit in our country and suck off our system like leaches!

Why don't you say anything to the mexicans who are coming here illegally, using our system and pop up kids every year so they could stay in US???Why do you think you have to press "1" for English? if you live in US? because mexicans don't speak any English. SO relax.

[NAT]

earache wrote:

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And you think that it justifies hurting or killing someone? You don't seem to see the fact that it is not about gays, it is about someone killing someone and then running away to escape taking responsibility. A group of morons who can barely acclimate to their new home and then blame someone else for their sexual orientation? You would probably fit in well with that group of morons.

I would probably too..if you say so. But anyways...Those things happen every single day, but nobody talks about it. People die like that all the time. But when the gay died it's such a big deal. Why is it? Some moron politicians are waiting for someone to heat a gay so they could make that person to look really bad and accuse his believes. Just like they are doing now. They are saying that Slavic churches are teaching people to hate gays...But they don't. They teach to love everyone, like Jesus did. They teach to hate the sin itself. Russians were there at the Capital defending right and good manners on which America was built. And now when a gay died all the stones are thrown their way. THat's now right.

[NAT]

Darren wrote:

Jennifer Lee--
"The Russians have been out spoken about the gay & lesbian groups in Sacramento,"
And homophobes need to look closely at that and see how ignorant one has to be to think people choose their sexual orientation, or that it makes you less of a person.
"and I understand that they don't appreciate the life style"
Being gay isn't a lifestyle!
"but whom are they to judge, others know that its not ring yes its a sin"
Lie. It isn't a sin. Homosexuality isn't an action. It's not something you do, it's something you ARE. It being a "sin" is based in homophobia and lies, people misusing scripture as a weapon of hate.
Being gay is NOT a sin.
"but we have to realize that this is America."
Being gay isn't a sin anywhere. Gay people are just regular people like everyone else across the world. But, you are right that America SHOULD be taking the lead in justice and equality, yet when it comes to gay people we're lagging far behind because of hate and ignorance, and it's a disgrace against everything this nation stands for.
"I know girls who are bisexual & like other girls too, but they are my friends and I have to accept that as a fact."
Do you really think they all chose to be gay? That they can just change and magically turn heterosexual? This is PROVEN false.
There's no excuse for gaybashing. It's a violent crime of hate and must be severely punished.

yeah, yeah...calm yourself like that. IT IS A SIN and Bible clearly shows it. Maybe you should read it sometime.

[annonimus]

It' was an accident, not a hate crime, that's for sure. Also, how could he die just after on punch?
Only gay can be like that. Gay in a gay t-shirt.

[Enlighten Me]

CREWBOSS wrote:

Deport Illegals.....
Need I say more?

You said it ALL! DEPORT ILLEGALS-BYE-BYE!

[Xairec]

NAT wrote:

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yeah, yeah...calm yourself like that. IT IS A SIN and Bible clearly shows it. Maybe you should read it sometime.

I would love to see if you had the guts to rant your hateful rhetoric to the face of a homosexual.

Homosexuals will continue to exist no matter how much you're closed minded, self centered self doesn't like them.

We (homosexuals, and yes, I am one) have the right to express ourselves publicly just as much as you do. Nobody complains when you kiss your wife in public, do they? But I imagine you would FREAK OUT if two homosexuals decided to show their love for each other in public.

Its because of people like you that hate crimes exist, and in the same hand the reason they carry the charge they do.

Being gay is NOT wrong, its NOT a sin. Look at the Romans. Go even further back in history. Homosexuality was going on before anybody even knew what the bible was. So, what gives some religious mass the right to all the sudden denounce it? There is no right.

Also, doesn't the bible teach tolerance? I know for sure that god isn't looking to greatly on the man who comitted this crime, nor is he favoring you for slandering a group of people for no reason. Are you supposed to have hate in your heart? Last time I checked, you weren't.

Homophobia is nothing but a lack of education and fear towards something you do not understand. All I have to say is we are here, we aren't going anywhere, and one day you will have to shut your mouth because honestly, there is NOTHING you can do about it.:)

[flax]

Sounds like the wife is changing her story...wasn't it just the other day that she said Singh threatened her husband with a jagged-edged broken bottle? Now she's saying he was going to throw a punch so her husband hit him first. Why the different stories?

Also, how is it that she needs to speak through and interpreter for interviews, but she somehow knows what the Singh party was saying that day at the park?

We'll never know who started what; the sad truth is that someone died because of intolerance, no matter what the intolerance came from. Sadly, there is no respect for human life any longer. It's simply too easy for people to kill another human being and not care about their actions. It's a scary truth that we all need to think about and start caring about each other again.

[sacramento]

NAT wrote:

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yeah, yeah...calm yourself like that. IT IS A SIN and Bible clearly shows it. Maybe you should read it sometime.

Nat, please stop talking. Stop. You are ignorant. Singh was not gay. You were not there. I feel sorry you.
I guarantee you do not live in a glass house. If you were any sort of Christian or believer, you would not say the things you have said. Go away

[Not Russian]

I think gays and lesbians need help mentality and spiritually. HELP HELP!!! can some one come up with the right medication and put them in the right minds.Because off there sickness there is much more dieses in this country. They need help and those people who trying to approve there behavior are blind. America we need new rehab centers and find cure NOW or we will all go to hell……

Darren wrote:

Other side of the story--

"A Hate Crime for what, taking out the trash? Now we get the other side of the story, after the homos have blown this out of proportion."
You use hateful slurs, then pretend there's no hate crime involved...cute.
"I’m surprised someone had the courage to approach them and ask them to stop their perverted behavior."
There's no courage involved in bigotry, homosexuality is NOT a behavior, is not "perverted," and is really nobody else's business. You have no right to tell people who they can love and be attracted to. None. And this bigotry and hate is getting people killed, which is why hate crimes laws are badly needed.
"Go back in the closet if you want to fondle,"
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL PEOPLE THAT!! Being gay isn't about "fondling" any more than your grandparents were just about having sex. No, people do NOT belong in a closet. They have as much right to live their lives as anyone else, and bigots like YOU are the ones who need to be stopped.
"not in public where children are present."
Children aren't harmed in the slightest by being around gay people.
They ARE harmed by being around hate and bigotry. I would rather learn one of my kids was gay than to find out they were as ignorant and bigoted as you are.
"Sounds like self defense if Singh tried to slap him first."
Lie. You just want it to be OK to beat up and kill gay people because you hate them.
And THIS is why hate crimes laws are needed, because of this vicious bigotry and homophobia.

[Bill]

Also, how is it that she needs to speak through and interpreter for interviews, but she somehow knows what the Singh party was saying that day at the park?

It's the little things that add up well put Flax. GUILTY!

[MEMEMEYUPME]

NAT wrote:

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Why don't you say anything to the mexicans who are coming here illegally, using our system and pop up kids every year so they could stay in US???Why do you think you have to press "1" for English? if you live in US? because mexicans don't speak any English. SO relax.

You mean the same "illegals" who you can find selling fruit on one side of the street and on the other side mowing a lawn, while a white man stands in the middle of the street with a sign begging people for money. Yeah, I know how that goes.

So, you have to press "1" for english and this must be sooo infuriating for your little fat fingers. One more thing you have to do. If it wasnt for having to press that "1" you would still have to press something else to get the runaround on the answering service most businesses have these days. Poor you, it must be hard being you.

No illegals come to this country for anything you have, they come here to do good for their families. They dont take your job or anyone elses. You want the job you see them working...... apply for it.

And as for the Russian man killing that guy, he threw the punch that KILLED a man. He should be held accountable for it, what he only wants to be in this country when it benefits his family, but is not willing to put up with others in order to live here making it better for his kids.

He left his country to better his families future, he should be tolerant of others who are doing the same for theirs.

So what if they are gay, or not, if he did not like what they were allegedly doing then, leave. Had this been a woman and man kissing that poor guy would have been alive.... and this was determined by how someone else felt...... And his family needs to stop making excuses for him and making themselves look bad in the process. Teach your kids tolerance for EVERYONE. Gays dont belong in the closet, hatred does, keep it there and everyone would benefit from it.

[JJ McQuade]

NAT wrote:

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are you talking about mexicans?? I'm all for it!
But Russians are NOT illegals. So yeah.

You freaking racists are just jealous of Mexicans workers 'cause they work harder and better than you. Freaking retarded morons!!

[Enlighten Me]

NAT wrote:

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Exactly! do your perverted things in your own closet, but not in public. Would any of you (gay defenders) like to go to the park with your kids just to spend some time together and all the sign you see a group of people doing drugs, being drunk...all in front of your kids? Do you really want some one like that around your kids, teaching them all this stuff?

"NAT"s are for squashing...they hang out with rotten fruit! SMACK!

[mother of two teenagers]

I do not think that the whole truth has come out or ever will. Why won't the friends of the dead guy show themselves? Are they hiding so they do not have to face the truth? I am sure that the russian man did not set out to kill the other man. But he does need to come back to this country to face the consequences of his actions. A real man would show his kids how to be responsible for something you have done even if it was an accident. I don't think he realizes how guilty he looks by not being here and letting his wife and children take all the questions on what happened. HE NEEDS TO MAN UP!!!!

[Xairec]

Not Russian wrote:

I think gays and lesbians need help mentality and spiritually. HELP HELP!!! can some one come up with the right medication and put them in the right minds.Because off there sickness there is much more dieses in this country. They need help and those people who trying to approve there behavior are blind. America we need new rehab centers and find cure NOW or we will all go to hell……
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First of all, grab a dictionary next time you want to spew hateful phrases. Not only does it do wonders for the vocabulary, but it makes you look inexplicably smart.

Secondly, there is no medication that would turn gay people "straight", nor would any doctor or scientist in their right mind try to invent such. This is because there is NOTHING WRONG with being gay.

[Sri OM]

Not Russian wrote:

I think gays and lesbians need help mentality and spiritually. <quoted text>

A person can overcome anything with spirituality, agreed. I'm not sure about the Christian faith, because I don't believe in it and it seems very condemning, which is not condusive to healing. Eastern spirituality teaches us to detach from all earthly things and desires to reach nirvana and it's a beautiful way of life.

[Sean]

I love the ingnorance the flies and tries to cover what actually happened. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that we as people are to beat or scare them into submission. Most of these Russian anti-gay propaganda comes from their religious views. But it is quite interesting how they so easily pick and choose which scriptures they want to live by. Yeah, the Bible does say the PRACTICE of homosexuality is a sin, but it doesn't say that being gay is. It also doesn't say yell, beat, hit and scream anyone who holds a different view than yours into submission.
Come on idiots get real. Read your Bible again, I think you missed the real message.

[Too CRUEL]

There are ALWAYS two side of the story....Only GOD knows the TRUTH...I believe that both side of the story that are told of what happen that day, isn't 100% true...I also believed that both end made racial comments...it's doesn't matter what background you came from, who or what you are....WHY IS THAT SOMETHING IS ALWAYS A RACE ISSUE..GOSH PEOPLE....THIS OR THAT HAPPEN AND THE CAUSE OF IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A HATE ISSUE...GROW UP PEOPLE.....TOO MUCH DRAMA...PEOPLE NEED TO GET ALONG AND STOP IT WITH IT!

[sacramento]

sacramento wrote:

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Nat, please stop talking. Stop. You are ignorant. Singh was not gay. You were not there. I feel sorry you.
I guarantee you do not live in a glass house. If you were any sort of Christian or believer, you would not say the things you have said. Go away

DUDE YOU FROM CHICAGO, SO SHUT UP AND STAY THERE. DON'T EVEN GET YOUR NOSE IN SACRAMENTO!

[earache]

NAT wrote:

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I would probably too..if you say so. But anyways...Those things happen every single day, but nobody talks about it. People die like that all the time. But when the gay died it's such a big deal. Why is it? Some moron politicians are waiting for someone to heat a gay so they could make that person to look really bad and accuse his believes. Just like they are doing now. They are saying that Slavic churches are teaching people to hate gays...But they don't. They teach to love everyone, like Jesus did. They teach to hate the sin itself. Russians were there at the Capital defending right and good manners on which America was built. And now when a gay died all the stones are thrown their way. THat's now right.

And you have never done anything that someone else might have cause to dislike about you...I guess that makes you perfect and beyond reproach. The rest of us make mistakes and are not as perfect. I am not a big fan of the russian community and any bad press they get, they brought on themselves nor do I preach the gay lifestyle but ultimately this is about a spineless human being who felt for some reason that violence was the only way he could resolve this and then was not man enough to own up to his mistake and run away. What can you say about a culture that condones that? But of note, it seems clear that there are alot of people on here who dislike russians and gays alike but I seriously doubt any of them have killed either.