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“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Baltimore, MD

#146160 Jun 17, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
I suggest you look at this:
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
1. Anyone can get HIV. Today, this immune system-destroying disease is known as AIDS, which stands for acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. The virus that causes it is HIV, or human immunodeficiency virus. But when the disease first appeared, AIDS was given other names, including ďgay cancerĒ and GRID, which stood for gay-related immune deficiency. Those names fell by the wayside when it was realized that everyone ó not just people who are gay ó are at risk.
2. AIDSí death toll is astronomic. Since the HIV/AIDS epidemic began in 1981, more than 30 million people worldwide have died from the disease, including more than 600,000 in the United States.
3. You can have HIV and not know it. HIV can remain undetected for as long as 10 years, and during that time, someone who's infected can spread it to many others. The only way to know for sure whether you or your partner is HIV-positive is to get tested. Late-stage HIV ó before it becomes AIDS ó does cause symptoms, but they can be easily confused with other ailments.
4. Prevention is key. Because HIV/AIDS is transmitted by the exchange of bodily fluids, the best way to prevent infection is to have safe sex (by consistently using a condom) and not injecting yourself with drugs or sharing needles. If you have multiple sexual partners, have unprotected sex, or use needles to inject drugs, federal health agencies recommend getting tested for HIV every six months.
5. HIV has a powerful opponent. Before 1996, an AIDS diagnosis was basically a death sentence. But during that year, a class of drugs known as antiretroviral therapy came into use. This so-called drug cocktail, which prevents the HIV virus from replicating, can keep the disease from turning into AIDS, transforming a fatal disease into a manageable one.
6. You canít get HIV from these things: Myths still abound about HIV/AIDS, so itís important to know that you cannot get it from insect bites or stings, a closed-mouth kiss, or an infected personís sweat or tears. You cannot get it by simply working or hanging out with someone who has AIDS or is HIV-positive either.
7. Itís not just a manís disease. Of the 34 million people worldwide who have AIDS, about half of them are women or girls. And a woman with AIDS or HIV is particularly vulnerable because of the possibility of passing the disease to her unborn children.

10. HIV/AIDS is still a huge problem. In the United States, someone becomes infected with HIV every 9Ĺ minutes ó and one in five people infected with HIV are unaware of it.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/hiv-aids/10-hiv...
People, don't listen to the lies by Prof Marvel.....educate yourself and know how to protect yourself.......Education makes you powerful and can help remove the idiocy that people like Marvel spout!!!
What you're doing above is called misdirection and we've seen you fellows do it around here time and again.

It was gay males who started the epidemic here in the states, and then other gay males who carried it over to Haiti and Africa.

In Haiti, they brought it over during their man-boy sex tours. In Africa, it was gay flight attendants. Here in the states it was your gay bathhouses that kicked things off.

And of course you'll deny this, just like you'll deny sex even happened in your bathhouses. Some fools will even believe you. Most know better.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#146161 Jun 17, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
The 500,000 gay men who died of AIDS contracted it from male-to-male anal sex, your LGBT approved smoke and mirrors notwithstanding.
That's all.
That's what I thought.....NOTHING from you, but rhetoric.

See, I gave you numbers and a link.....you give BULL SHIT about what you think........30 million have died from HIV/AIDS and NO WHERE DOES IT SITE SPECIFICALLY THAT 500,000 HAPPEN TO BE GAY MEN!!!

We know that Male on Male sex has a high rate of transmission, but most of that is because of unprotected sex, not getting tested and therefore not knowing one's own status and not educating one's self about this deadly epidemic.

See, again, we don't prevent heterosexuals who happen to be HIV positive from getting married......however, you use this as an argument to deny Gays and Lesbians from having the right to marry......sorry, but ya can't do that!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#146162 Jun 17, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
What you're doing above is called misdirection and we've seen you fellows do it around here time and again.
It was gay males who started the epidemic here in the states, and then other gay males who carried it over to Haiti and Africa.
In Haiti, they brought it over during their man-boy sex tours. In Africa, it was gay flight attendants. Here in the states it was your gay bathhouses that kicked things off.
And of course you'll deny this, just like you'll deny sex even happened in your bathhouses. Some fools will even believe you. Most know better.
The ONLY person MISDIRECTING folks is YOU......this virus came to America from Africa......not the other way around and it has been in this Country since at least the late 50's.........more likely before the 40's.

Here is some information for ya:
Although AIDS was not recognized as a new clinical syndrome until 1981, researchers examining the earlier medical literature identified cases appearing to fit the AIDS surveillance definition as early as the 1950s and 1960s. Frozen tissue and serum samples were available for one of these possible early AIDS cases, a 15-year-old black male from St. Louis who was hospitalized in 1968 and died of an aggressive, disseminated KS. This appears to be the first confirmed case of HIV infection in the United States. The patient had no history of travel out of the country, so it is likely that some other persons in the United States were infected with HIV as long ago as the 1960s, if not earlier.

The characteristics of the first 50,352 cases, reported between 1981 and 1987 to CDC, differ significantly from the characteristics of the 69,151 cases reported a decade later in 1996. The epidemic has become increasingly an epidemic of non-white populations, of women, and of heterosexuals and injecting drug users.

The distribution of new cases by race/ethnicity has also changed greatly in the first twenty years of the epidemic. The proportion of new cases in whites (not Hispanic) dropped from 60% in 1981 to 43% in 1996 and to 28% in 2001. The proportion of new cases in African Americans rose from 25% in 1981 to 50% in 2001, and the proportion of Hispanics rose from 14% to 20%. There were two-and-a-half times as many new diagnoses among African Americans and Hispanics than among non-Hispanic whites in 2001. African Americans are represented among AIDS cases at 4 times their proportion in the U.S. population, and Hispanics at nearly twice their population percentage.

By 1993, AIDS had become the leading cause of death among persons 25 to 44 years old and eighth overall among all causes of death, accounting for 2% of all deaths. These estimates were made by CDC from reporting of the underlying cause of death on a 10% sample of death certificates for U.S. residents filed in the 50 states and the District of Columbia. Over 40,000 U.S. residents died of AIDS in 1994 and 50,000 in 1995. In 1994, AIDS accounted for 23% of all deaths among men and 32% of all deaths among African American men.

These data are probably underestimates of the impact of AIDS on mortality in young adults, because studies have found that using HIV as the underlying cause of death on the death certificate captures only two-thirds to three-fourths of deaths attributable to HIV infection. Since the peak number of deaths in 1995, there has been a steep decline in AIDS mortality (to 38,780 in 1996 and to 14,499 in 2000)(Table 3). The majority of this decline is probably attributable to the effectiveness of the multidrug treatment regimens that became widespread beginning in 1996, although it is also due in part to the peaking of infection incidence rates in the mid-1980s.
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite...

Do yourself a favor......GET EDUCATED!!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#146163 Jun 17, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what I thought.....NOTHING from you, but rhetoric.
See, I gave you numbers and a link.....you give BULL SHIT about what you think........30 million have died from HIV/AIDS and NO WHERE DOES IT SITE SPECIFICALLY THAT 500,000 HAPPEN TO BE GAY MEN!!!
We know that Male on Male sex has a high rate of transmission, but most of that is because of unprotected sex, not getting tested and therefore not knowing one's own status and not educating one's self about this deadly epidemic.
See, again, we don't prevent heterosexuals who happen to be HIV positive from getting married......however, you use this as an argument to deny Gays and Lesbians from having the right to marry......sorry, but ya can't do that!!!
"Men who have sex with men: At the beginning of Americaís epidemic, AIDS primarily affected men who have sex with men (MSM). Today, MSM still account for around three-quarters of HIV diagnoses among male adults and adolescents and the rate of HIV diagnoses among MSM is more than 44 times that of other men.21 According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five MSM in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status.22 Gay and bisexual men of all races are the only group where new infections are rising every year and it is thought this rising number of new infections is due to an increasing number of MSM having unprotected sex."

http://www.avert.org/america.htm

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Baltimore, MD

#146164 Jun 17, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
The ONLY person MISDIRECTING folks is YOU......this virus came to America from Africa......not the other way around and it has been in this Country since at least the late 50's.........more likely before the 40's.
Here is some information for ya:
Although AIDS was not recognized as a new clinical syndrome until 1981, researchers examining the earlier medical literature identified cases appearing to fit the AIDS surveillance definition as early as the 1950s and 1960s. Frozen tissue and serum samples were available for one of these possible early AIDS cases, a 15-year-old black male from St. Louis who was hospitalized in 1968 and died of an aggressive, disseminated KS. This appears to be the first confirmed case of HIV infection in the United States. The patient had no history of travel out of the country, so it is likely that some other persons in the United States were infected with HIV as long ago as the 1960s, if not earlier.
The characteristics of the first 50,352 cases, reported between 1981 and 1987 to CDC, differ significantly from the characteristics of the 69,151 cases reported a decade later in 1996. The epidemic has become increasingly an epidemic of non-white populations, of women, and of heterosexuals and injecting drug users.
The distribution of new cases by race/ethnicity has also changed greatly in the first twenty years of the epidemic. The proportion of new cases in whites (not Hispanic) dropped from 60% in 1981 to 43% in 1996 and to 28% in 2001. The proportion of new cases in African Americans rose from 25% in 1981 to 50% in 2001, and the proportion of Hispanics rose from 14% to 20%. There were two-and-a-half times as many new diagnoses among African Americans and Hispanics than among non-Hispanic whites in 2001. African Americans are represented among AIDS cases at 4 times their proportion in the U.S. population, and Hispanics at nearly twice their population percentage.

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite...
Do yourself a favor......GET EDUCATED!!!
Anyone who wants to see the lengths homosexuals go to to defend their precious male-to-male sex, continue reading this gay guy's re-writing of history directly above. Anyone who wants the truth read the text below than follow the link:

==========

http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable...

"...Men who have sex with men: At the beginning of Americaís epidemic, AIDS primarily affected men who have sex with men (MSM). Today, MSM still account for around three-quarters of HIV diagnoses among male adults and adolescents and the rate of HIV diagnoses among MSM is more than 44 times that of other men.21

According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five MSM in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status.22 Gay and bisexual men of all races are the only group where new infections are rising every year and it is thought this rising number of new infections is due to an increasing number of MSM having unprotected sex.23 24

The availability of antiretroviral treatment may also have lessened the fear surrounding AIDS, leading to complacency about using condoms.25 This complacency is evident in Washington D.C, where a study by the city's HIV/AIDS Administration revealed 40 percent of gay men had not used a condom with their last sexual partner.

http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable...

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#146165 Jun 17, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
The point is: what is freaking left to argue here? If you want to bring up a point, you can read it here, every single point is here. What's funny is that this never stops. LOL!!!! All the points have been made, nothing, nothing will evolve out of this topix, copies won't be mailed out to the world.
It is so nice of you to concede that you have nothing new to bring to the table, and no valid argument against marriage equality. How big of you?
RiccardoFire wrote:
You are trying to force your views onto others.
Iím not. I promote equal protection of the laws. You promote forcing your views on others by withholding equal protection, which is a position that goes against the US constitution.
RiccardoFire wrote:
You need to define the laws for equal protection.
No, I donít. The 14th Amendment already does so.
RiccardoFire wrote:
Where does it say marriage is between a man and a man or a woman and a woman?
There are any number of states that do so, as well as the federal DOMA, that make such a restriction. Although you have lacked the competence thus far to indicate a legitimate state interest served by such a restriction that would make it constitutional. For that matter, you have also failed to indicate where the US constitution delegates the authority to regulate marriage to the federal government that would make the DOMA constitutional.

“Yellow Brick Road”

Since: Mar 12

The Land of OZ

#146166 Jun 17, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who wants to see the lengths homosexuals go to to defend their precious male-to-male sex, continue reading this gay guy's re-writing of history directly above. Anyone who wants the truth read the text below than follow the link:
==========
http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable...
"...Men who have sex with men: At the beginning of Americaís epidemic, AIDS primarily affected men who have sex with men (MSM). Today, MSM still account for around three-quarters of HIV diagnoses among male adults and adolescents and the rate of HIV diagnoses among MSM is more than 44 times that of other men.21
According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five MSM in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status.22 Gay and bisexual men of all races are the only group where new infections are rising every year and it is thought this rising number of new infections is due to an increasing number of MSM having unprotected sex.23 24
The availability of antiretroviral treatment may also have lessened the fear surrounding AIDS, leading to complacency about using condoms.25 This complacency is evident in Washington D.C, where a study by the city's HIV/AIDS Administration revealed 40 percent of gay men had not used a condom with their last sexual partner.
http://www.avert.org/america.htm#contentTable...
Why are you so gosh darn preoccupied with what others do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Sex ( the act) has nothing to do with same sex marriage

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#146168 Jun 17, 2012
For our 'learned' Professor

Yes dear, anal sex, like any sexual act, can be dangerous to your health and/or physical well-being, especially if the proper precautions to make the act safer are not taken. Yes, it is the primary risk factor for HIV transmission among MSM and probably pretty high on the list for WSM as well. It is also an act which is engaged in more times than even you want to imagine by not only men having sex with men but men having sex with women and even combinations thereof without any harm done to anyone's health or physical well-being.

Men who have sex with men especially should take more pride in themselves by respecting their own health and that of their partners.'Bareback' anal sex, it don't matter the sex or sexes involved, is a dumb f*cking thing to do, PERIOD. It merely isn't about HIV but any other bacterial or parasitic infection that might be lurking as well. The message of playing safer has been out there for some thirty years now and while the infection rates are considerably lower than back then, there were always those, who for whatever reason, didn't listen, or forgot, or said just this time and ended up facing the consequences of that. The reality is, that although our HIV rate and rates of other such infections remains far too high, the vast majority of MSM remain uninfected with HIV and otherwise healthy. Some because they've been lucky so far, but the vast majority because we think with our head and not our c*ck.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#146169 Jun 17, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
It is so nice of you to concede that you have nothing new to bring to the table, and no valid argument against marriage equality. How big of you?
<quoted text>
Iím not. I promote equal protection of the laws. You promote forcing your views on others by withholding equal protection, which is a position that goes against the US constitution.
<quoted text>
No, I donít. The 14th Amendment already does so.
<quoted text>
There are any number of states that do so, as well as the federal DOMA, that make such a restriction. Although you have lacked the competence thus far to indicate a legitimate state interest served by such a restriction that would make it constitutional. For that matter, you have also failed to indicate where the US constitution delegates the authority to regulate marriage to the federal government that would make the DOMA constitutional.
You just made my point, that has already been said over a dozen times before, just go back 3700 posts ago. You added nothing.

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Baltimore, MD

#146170 Jun 17, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
For our 'learned' Professor
Yes dear, anal sex, like any sexual act, can be dangerous to your health and/or physical well-being, especially if the proper precautions to make the act safer are not taken. Yes, it is the primary risk factor for HIV transmission among MSM and probably pretty high on the list for WSM as well. It is also an act which is engaged in more times than even you want to imagine by not only men having sex with men but men having sex with women and even combinations thereof without any harm done to anyone's health or physical well-being.
Men who have sex with men especially should take more pride in themselves by respecting their own health and that of their partners.'Bareback' anal sex, it don't matter the sex or sexes involved, is a dumb f*cking thing to do, PERIOD. It merely isn't about HIV but any other bacterial or parasitic infection that might be lurking as well. The message of playing safer has been out there for some thirty years now and while the infection rates are considerably lower than back then, there were always those, who for whatever reason, didn't listen, or forgot, or said just this time and ended up facing the consequences of that. The reality is, that although our HIV rate and rates of other such infections remains far too high, the vast majority of MSM remain uninfected with HIV and otherwise healthy. Some because they've been lucky so far, but the vast majority because we think with our head and not our c*ck.
You're like the heroin addict who wants people to believe using heroin -- in moderation -- is safe.

The fact that 500,000 gay males have died from anal sex doesn't affect your rosy opinion of it in the least. In your book 500,000 dead gay males has nothing to do with the morbidity of male-to-male anal sex because as you're quick to remind us -- "Straights do it too!"

Yes, some straights do it -- maybe all straights do it; the difference, however, is 500,000 straights haven't died from it.

Grasp the difference now, fella?

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#146171 Jun 17, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>You just made my point, that has already been said over a dozen times before, just go back 3700 posts ago. You added nothing.
Way to say and contribute nothing to the conversation!

Face it, there is no rational reason, much less a compelling state interest, served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry. Your regular responses where you avoid the topic entirely, merely underscores the fact that your argument lacks a rational foundation.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#146172 Jun 17, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
You're like the heroin addict who wants people to believe using heroin -- in moderation -- is safe.
The fact that 500,000 gay males have died from anal sex doesn't affect your rosy opinion of it in the least. In your book 500,000 dead gay males has nothing to do with the morbidity of male-to-male anal sex because as you're quick to remind us -- "Straights do it too!"
Yes, some straights do it -- maybe all straights do it; the difference, however, is 500,000 straights haven't died from it.
Grasp the difference now, fella?
a) Do you have any statistics from a reputable source to support your assertion?
b) Does denying same sex couples the right to marry have any impact upon said statistic?(This is a trick question, so answer carefully)
c) Do you have anything relevant to the topic to offer?

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Baltimore, MD

#146173 Jun 17, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
a) Do you have any statistics from a reputable source to support your assertion?
b) Does denying same sex couples the right to marry have any impact upon said statistic?(This is a trick question, so answer carefully)
c) Do you have anything relevant to the topic to offer?
The gay male AIDS death count is rarely disputed even by the LGBT. It's 500,000 give or take.

As to why the morbidity of male-to-male sex and why it should give pause to ok same sex marriage, here's what a group of doctors said about that recently:

http://www.obamnesty.com/index.php...
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#146174 Jun 17, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Way to say and contribute nothing to the conversation!
Face it, there is no rational reason, much less a compelling state interest, served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry. Your regular responses where you avoid the topic entirely, merely underscores the fact that your argument lacks a rational foundation.
So if that is your point, why repeat it? are u a parrot? or is it if u keep saying it, you think everyone else will believe it? What is rational to you does not make it rational to others. Get over yourself, enjoy being gay if that is what makes u happy. But i don't think marriage will make u that much happy.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#146175 Jun 17, 2012
Today, Fathers Day, and every year on this day, step/foster/adopted children in the home of lesbian couples are painfully aware of the difference between gay unions and marriage.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#146176 Jun 17, 2012
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any statistics from a reputable source to support your assertion?
Justice Dumbass, you know the only sources you feel are reputable are those that agree with your position, all others fail. I don't know why anyone wastes time with the likes of you. I do it because I think you are hysterical.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#146177 Jun 17, 2012
I'm adding something new: What is life?
It is the flash of a firefly in the night.
It is the breath of a buffalo in the wintertime.
It is the little shadow which runs across
the grass and loses itself in the sunset.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#146178 Jun 17, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
You really SHOULDN'T lie.......the deaths due to this EPIDEMIC are not separated by heterosexual or homosexual, but as a TOTAL regardless of Sexual Orientation.
You are misleading in the fact that HIV/AIDS has been in this Country LONG BEFORE THE 80'S and this has been explained to you over and over and over again.
Please show some link to back up your claims that 500,000 Gay men have died specifically from HIV/AIDS.......and then a link that shows that this epidemic has had little affect on the heterosexual community WORLD WIDE.....thanks!
Why do you keep your head in the sand?? can't you ever be wrong??
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#146179 Jun 17, 2012
Goooooood morning and Happy Fathers day once again.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#146180 Jun 17, 2012
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Your opinion.
Given you really don't know shit about me sans my input in these posts you can think of me as some fat hairy backed balding man marching around his house greased up with Vaseline and wearing a crotchless tutu in his hopes he can hook up with Jerry Springer as far as I care ya goof...LOL!!!!
Thanks for the discription... it must hurt to be you

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