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Pope Benedict XVI sending his first tweet. The Vatican has also hired a former Fox News executive to overhaul its communications.

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#291 Jan 22, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>sorry but i hope someone shoots that b#stard
Then you are hoping that he become a focus and rallying point around which our opposition will swell and become more powerful.

Sorry dear, but your position is naive and very dangerous to our cause.

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#292 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Yeah.
Women are immune from pedophiliac urges.
No.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#293 Jan 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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No.
True assessment of my statement. It's false.
It was sarcasm on my part.

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#294 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"No valid reason" according to whom?
I mean, they (the RCC) think there are valid reasons, and it's their deal.
I agree that "it's their ball, their rules", but they seem to be on a course of trying to make it EVERYONE"S, and to control even those who do not wish to play.

If one returns to the message, there is no valid reason.

I'm from Santa Cruz. I'm very acquainted with all sorts of people believing that they are all sorts of things. We call them "wingnuts" and other unkind things. Some even have very elaborate and sophisticated thought systems to support their fantasies.

But few of them have ever tried to garner political power to enforce their delusions on others.

"Christendom" can't come close to being able to make that claim. From the times of Constantinian caesaropapism, through the puppet armies of the Crusades and sectarian wars, through the various Inquisitions down through the centuries of Byzantine and Macchiavellian political maneuverings of governments and populations, "christendom"s hands are filthy with the products of Saul's total derailment of Yeshua's message, onto a track of ever increasing heresies and distortions. Mere human venality and ambition wrapped in sacerdotal claptrap, and faciltated by mind-numbing error inculcated into, and derailing the minds of people into irrationality and subjection.

"My yoke is easy, and my burden is light" is hardly a description of "christendom", the "Church Militant" nor "Church Triumphant" ecclesiologies.

Wrapped in tradition errors, traditional superstitions, smells and bells, it nothing more than ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Recons...

... packaged in a different cant.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rpeols.jpg

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#295 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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True assessment of my statement. It's false.
It was sarcasm on my part.
yep.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#296 Jan 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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I agree that "it's their ball, their rules", but they seem to be on a course of trying to make it EVERYONE"S, and to control even those who do not wish to play.
If one returns to the message, there is no valid reason.
I'm from Santa Cruz. I'm very acquainted with all sorts of people believing that they are all sorts of things. We call them "wingnuts" and other unkind things. Some even have very elaborate and sophisticated thought systems to support their fantasies.
But few of them have ever tried to garner political power to enforce their delusions on others.
"Christendom" can't come close to being able to make that claim. From the times of Constantinian caesaropapism, through the puppet armies of the Crusades and sectarian wars, through the various Inquisitions down through the centuries of Byzantine and Macchiavellian political maneuverings of governments and populations, "christendom"s hands are filthy with the products of Saul's total derailment of Yeshua's message, onto a track of ever increasing heresies and distortions. Mere human venality and ambition wrapped in sacerdotal claptrap, and faciltated by mind-numbing error inculcated into, and derailing the minds of people into irrationality and subjection.
"My yoke is easy, and my burden is light" is hardly a description of "christendom", the "Church Militant" nor "Church Triumphant" ecclesiologies.
Wrapped in tradition errors, traditional superstitions, smells and bells, it nothing more than ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Recons...
... packaged in a different cant.
http://i50.tinypic.com/2rpeols.jpg
In service to limiting the scope, I can understand why people don't agrere with why the Church doesn't ordain women, but what I don't understand is the near-pathological insistence of construction of straw man arguments to express said disagreement.

"i.e. the Church hates woman, etc."

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#297 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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In service to limiting the scope, I can understand why people don't agrere with why the Church doesn't ordain women, but what I don't understand is the near-pathological insistence of construction of straw man arguments to express said disagreement.
"i.e. the Church hates woman, etc."
Mysogyny can be subtle, especially when it is institutionalized, rationalized, and opposition is forbidden.

Actually, I don't think that you DO "understand".

I also don't think that you applied "straw man" in the conventional sense.

As far as "scope" is concerned, the problem is systemic and the rot is in the root.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#298 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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True assessment of my statement. It's false.
It was sarcasm on my part.
Sarcasm and fundamentalism do not mix
Dan

Omaha, NE

#299 Jan 22, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Sarcasm and fundamentalism do not mix
Good thing I'm not a fundamentalist :)

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#300 Jan 22, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Sarcasm and fundamentalism do not mix
Refreshing, isn't it?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#301 Jan 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Mysogyny can be subtle, especially when it is institutionalized, rationalized, and opposition is forbidden.
Actually, I don't think that you DO "understand".
I also don't think that you applied "straw man" in the conventional sense.
As far as "scope" is concerned, the problem is systemic and the rot is in the root.
Misogyny can be those things, but it isn't applicable simply by one's say so.

The argument is illogical in light of the fact that the Church needs vocations and suffers considerable ill will from the Morganas of the world. They need priests, and they'd also they'd be able to gin up goodwill from those who see only misogyny in their current ordination doctrine. If it was a simple as a gender thing, they'd change it.

“Dan IS the Man”

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#302 Jan 22, 2013
Droppin in for a tad wrote:
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There was quite a bit of precedent, especially among the Greek family of superbeings.
And they weren't real, but the Christians are quite sure their God is real.

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#303 Jan 22, 2013
William Tyndale wrote:
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Actually the idea of a virgin birth was a common theme used in the various pagan god-man myths from which the Romans created their version of Christianity.
Many pagan myths were introduced into the state mandated version of Christianity to make it more acceptable to the Roman citizens. Constantine's only reason for taking over Christianity was to unify the Roman Empire.
Jesus is supposed to be Jewish. Yet the Roman Jesus is more like Mithra, Horus, and other pagan myths more familiar to the Romans.
In Judaism, there is no provision for human or god-man sacrifice for sin. Also for one to qualify as the Messiah one would have to be a family man and be born of both man and woman.
The whole idea of a messiah was to be a role model for humanity of what each of us can evolve into, not a god-man whom the leaders of the Roman Empire could claim to represent!
The Jewish Jesus posed a serious threat to the political structure of the Roman Empire with it's pantheon of gods used to manipulate the masses with hate and fear.
The mystical message of the real Jesus was simply that all of us are one with God and that God is Love. This is basically an enlightened form of Judaism based on the omnipresent God of Israel and our place in the omnipresent God of Israel.
It is the egalitarian nature of the mystical form of Christianity that caused the Romans to replace it with something that was simply another variation of the same old oppressive patriarchal structure of power used to maintain power for centuries.
The Romans murdered the historical Jesus, blamed it on the Jews, and the rest is the history of the most horrible religion the world has ever seen!
The historical records are easily accessible and you can read all about it in the comfort of your home on the Internet much easier, now that we have the freedom to question the teachings of a politically powerful church without being burned alive for doing so!
A very interesting post. You seem to have a better grasp of Christian history than the fundies who think they're expert theologians.

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#304 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Misogyny can be those things, but it isn't applicable simply by one's say so.
The argument is illogical in light of the fact that the Church needs vocations and suffers considerable ill will from the Morganas of the world. They need priests, and they'd also they'd be able to gin up goodwill from those who see only misogyny in their current ordination doctrine. If it was a simple as a gender thing, they'd change it.
If the very concept of that "church" is based upon error, what does it matter?

"You will know the tree by the fruit that it bears"

The oppression and murder of gay people is just another strange fruit, eh?



background:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#305 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Should Christ have been born of a man? Talk about hammering a square peg.
I mean, give me an alternative here.
It's fine to not understand why Mary was chosen, etc. but making it into some gyno-centric campfire scare story is disingenuous.
I guess you missed the whole point of God being omnipotent, supposedly created the Earth in 6 days, created the Universe blah blah, but he needed to use a 14 year old to send us a Messiah?

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#306 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I can be a nun? A prioress? A Mother Superior?
Really?
LMAO! Being a priest would be better than being a nun, doncha think?
Dan

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#307 Jan 22, 2013
snyper wrote:
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If the very concept of that "church" is based upon error, what does it matter?
"You will know the tree by the fruit that it bears"
The oppression and murder of gay people is just another strange fruit, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0qRVQzF5dnsXX
background:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The Catholic church is ordering the opresssion/killing of gay people?

Can you cite this?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#308 Jan 22, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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I guess you missed the whole point of God being omnipotent, supposedly created the Earth in 6 days, created the Universe blah blah, but he needed to use a 14 year old to send us a Messiah?
I said "give me an alternative".

How should He have taken human form?

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#309 Jan 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The Catholic church is ordering the opresssion/killing of gay people?
Can you cite this?
"Ordering" would be an entirely too clumsy an activity for an organization steeped for centuries in "plausible deniability" and Macchiavellianism.

Listen to the 4 interviews I posted. You will quickly see complicity and cooperation.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#310 Jan 22, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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LMAO! Being a priest would be better than being a nun, doncha think?
Well, you're on call 24/7.

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