Middle school gay student club fights bullying

Nov 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KSLA-TV Shreveport

Educators at a Fort Worth middle school have formed an alliance between gay and straight students in response to bullying on school campuses.

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I knew my orientation long before that. I just didn't know that it had a sexual component until puberty ... just like heteros.
Since a homosexual, by definition, is sexually attracted to people of the same sex how did you know your orientation long before puberty?

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Wondering wrote:
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Since a homosexual, by definition, is sexually attracted to people of the same sex how did you know your orientation long before puberty?
There's that Reification Fallacy again.

Just because a 19th Century Prussian journalist coins a word that a bunch of German control-freaks jump on, does not make it the best descriptor of a multifaceted REALITY.

Terms are coined to describe reality, not contain it.

Stop trying to cram living systems into static pigeonholes and you might begin to acquire insight and actual knowledge.

And your fellow free and co-equal sovereign Citizens might (just might) find you less of an annoyance.
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There's that Reification Fallacy again.
Just because a 19th Century Prussian journalist coins a word that a bunch of German control-freaks jump on, does not make it the best descriptor of a multifaceted REALITY.
Terms are coined to describe reality, not contain it.
Stop trying to cram living systems into static pigeonholes and you might begin to acquire insight and actual knowledge.
And your fellow free and co-equal sovereign Citizens might (just might) find you less of an annoyance.
Since a homosexual, by definition, is sexually attracted to people of the same sex how did you know your orientation long before puberty? I'm sure you'll be insightful.

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Since a homosexual, by definition, is sexually attracted to people of the same sex how did you know your orientation long before puberty? I'm sure you'll be insightful.
Don't you recall that one grade school teacher you were sweet on, or a celebrity crush before you knew what crushes were? Full sexuality doesn't develop until puberty, but there are plenty of prior signals that indicate future interests, even in childhood.

Since you grew up feeling the same thing as most people around you, and received only positive reinforcement for it, it likely never occured to you to look back on those early incidents to realize that they WERE signs of budding heterosexuality. For those of us who grew up differently than our peers, and who have been forced to examine our lives objectively because of our differences, we can recognize those pre-pubescent flashes more clearly for what they were.

But, that all may be FAR too complexly nuanced for you. Go ahead and just call us "birth defects" so you don't have to think so hard. You'll feel better.
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Since you grew up feeling the same thing as most people around you, and received only positive reinforcement for it, it likely never occured to you to look back on those early incidents to realize that they WERE signs of budding heterosexuality. For those of us who grew up differently than our peers, and who have been forced to examine our lives objectively because of our differences, we can recognize those pre-pubescent flashes more clearly for what they were.
But, that all may be FAR too complexly nuanced for you. Go ahead and just call us "birth defects" so you don't have to think so hard. You'll feel better.
Little boys generally didn't like little girls. They played with trucks and baseballs. Girls came later. It's interesting that you mention positive reinforcement, a lot of people believe that your disorder has a lot to do with your environment as a young child.

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Little boys generally didn't like little girls. They played with trucks and baseballs. Girls came later.
That's why I tried to spark a nostalgic memory for a schoolteacher or a celebrity. A WOMAN, not a little girl. A fully developed sexual being is a lot more alluring, even in childhood, than another child. You never had a teacher like that, who made you go a little cross-eyed whenever she wore that one sweater?
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It's interesting that you mention positive reinforcement, a lot of people believe that your disorder has a lot to do with your environment as a young child.
Scamper off now and find some scientific or medical support for your "disorder" claim. If only we could hope you wouldn't return until you succeeded. We'd be permanently rid of you.

By "positive reinforcement" I mean that you fit right in with your peers, and were never given any CAUSE to examine your own sexuality with objectivity and introspection. When someone grows up realizing they're different from many of those around them, this prompts them to make a detailed look into their own psyches. Your own conforming environment (nothing wrong with that) likely never motivated you to examine yourself and see what made you tick. This would make you take your own commonness for granted. It also no doubt makes it easier to withhold empathy from those who are different from you.
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That's why I tried to spark a nostalgic memory for a schoolteacher or a celebrity. A WOMAN, not a little girl. A fully developed sexual being is a lot more alluring, even in childhood, than another child. You never had a teacher like that, who made you go a little cross-eyed whenever she wore that one sweater?
No, never, and especially when I was in elementary school.

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No, never, and especially when I was in elementary school.
Perhaps you have a disorder, or a birth defect.

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Since a homosexual, by definition, is sexually attracted to people of the same sex how did you know your orientation long before puberty? I'm sure you'll be insightful.
I'm not buying into your Reified usage of the term.

I'[m telling you it is so. THAT is the evidence. Testimonial, yes, but reality, not a construct to fit some term.

You will find that almost all gay people will tell you the same. That, too, is evidence.

A preponderance of evidence.

Now you must defeat that body of evidence, not with an intellectual construct, but with other evidence of similar weight ... and quantity. Even then the result would only be a draw, indicating the question unsettled and in need of further investigation.

Somehow, I doubt that you will be able to come up with sufficient countervailing evidence of even the same (testimonial) level in quality and quantity, much less evidence of a higher level and prevalence.

Stop philosophizing about something you should be actually investigating.

Learn intellectual humility ... and integrity.

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Little boys generally didn't like little girls. They played with trucks and baseballs. Girls came later. It's interesting that you mention positive reinforcement, a lot of people believe that your disorder has a lot to do with your environment as a young child.
I've known lots of prepubescent boys who've enjoyed the company of girls; and the reverse, too. Interestingly, none of their families were fundamentalist in their thinking, nor shared any views with them. None of the boys turned out to be gay. Neither did they learn any sexual/social hangups either, as I remember.

I suspect that the children you reference are from situations where sexroles are polarized and ossified.
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I've known lots of prepubescent boys
I bet you have you filthy basterd.

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I bet you have you filthy basterd.
I bet you have never even had French fries, you filthy little cowardly liar.

What do they sell on the Quai Saint Michael, please. You can answer in like 2 words tops, come on, little cowardly liar, prove you ARE from France, you little liar.

What's that, little liar, can't answer? FIGURES.

And it's spelled BASTARD, you moron.
God, a liar AND stupid. FIGURES!

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>...NO it's a gay club. They're ALL gay. What self-respecting, normaal, straight kid would join a club with queers?...<

Many straight students do hang out with GLBT students.

Oh, and the word is "normal", not "normaal". Your third grade teacher can introduce you to proper spelling.
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<quoted text>I'm not buying into your Reified usage of the term.

I'[m telling you it is so. THAT is the evidence. Testimonial, yes, but reality, not a construct to fit some term.

You will find that almost all gay people will tell you the same. That, too, is evidence.

A preponderance of evidence.

Now you must defeat that body of evidence, not with an intellectual construct, but with other evidence of similar weight ... and quantity. Even then the result would only be a draw, indicating the question unsettled and in need of further investigation.

Somehow, I doubt that you will be able to come up with sufficient countervailing evidence of even the same (testimonial) level in quality and quantity, much less evidence of a higher level and prevalence.

Stop philosophizing about something you should be actually investigating.

Learn intellectual humility ... and integrity.
I think wondering brought up a good point and I think you answered it politely and intellectually. Straight people will always look for answers why gay people are gay and vice versa. I don't believe it was derogatory in what he was asking. When people asked me why I'm straight I say I was geared that way. When I ask my friend why he was gay he said he had always been that way and that gay people had an extra chromosome...now, do I believe that? No. But does he? Yes. I think he looks for justification to get more support from others. What do you think about this?

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I bet you have you filthy basterd.
Many of my friends have had large families, and I worked for years in Family Services.

Keep your calumnous insinuations to yourself.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/Catholic-Dict...

Learn something.

Grow a conscience.

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I think wondering brought up a good point and I think you answered it politely and intellectually. Straight people will always look for answers why gay people are gay and vice versa. I don't believe it was derogatory in what he was asking. When people asked me why I'm straight I say I was geared that way. When I ask my friend why he was gay he said he had always been that way and that gay people had an extra chromosome...now, do I believe that? No. But does he? Yes. I think he looks for justification to get more support from others. What do you think about this?
You need to read the body of "Wondering"s contributions to these threads to recognize that, despite mild wording, his points are ALWAYS with derogatory intent.

It is a Fallacy of False Correlation to link the self-reportage regarding orientation identity and an anecdotal surmise regarding it's etiology (causes). One is testimony regarding an internal reality, the other the relation of an opinion regarding external factual information. Not the same. Not even close. Few gay people, even in this Country, hold that specious opinion regarding the causes of their orientation. Almost ALL gay people everywhere, regardless of nation, culture, or economic and social position relate that they have always been gay. VERY different data with very different weighting.
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Many of my friends have had large families, and I worked for years in Family Services.
I can only imagine how many little boys you have molested over the years. Sickening.

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I can only imagine how many little boys you have molested over the years. Sickening.
I can only imagine how many false names and fake homelands you have used over the years. Sickening.

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I can only imagine how many little boys you have molested over the years. Sickening.
Ready to try to prove that libelous assertion in a Court of Law?

Trust me. It's going to cost you.

I'm very serious here.
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I've known lots of prepubescent boys who've enjoyed the company of girls; and the reverse, too.
I bet you have.

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