Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?

Jul 26, 2012 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.virtueonline.org

The Rt. Rev. Mark Joseph Lawrence, the Episcopal bishop of South Carolina, fears for the future of his church.

One week after the U.S. Episcopal Church overwhelmingly voted to approve a provisional rite for blessing gay unions and the ordination of transgender people, Bishop Lawrence said in an interview with NBC News that his denomination is moving too far out of the mainstream ...
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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jul 26, 2012
from virtueonline:

"In the case of the Episcopal Church, Hein believes it 'might not have been hemorrhaging so quickly' had it been more accommodating of its traditionalists.

"'I think it's a mistake that the Episcopal Church is not more welcoming of the mainstream attitude,' he said, adding that 'these accommodations should really have been made five, seven years ago, because really about all that's left of the Episcopal Church is the left wing of the Episcopal Church.'"

The "Inclusive" Episcopal Church doesn't include traditional Christains.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#2 Jul 27, 2012
Yawn!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#3 Jul 27, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
Yawn!
That one word also describes my interest in your mindless comments.
Yes

Aldrich, MO

#4 Aug 2, 2012
"Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?"

There is no such thing as a liberal Christianity. Just another one of Satan's deceptons that most will follow instead of the Lord and His Word. As it says the day will come when the Lord shall say unto these liberals (tares). "Depart from me for I know you not!"

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#7 Sep 15, 2012
The face of liberal Protestantism: www.scribd.com/doc/22629976/They-Shall-Re ...

“Yes we can. Change is good.”

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#9 Oct 11, 2012
PCUSA Political Church USA is all but dead. The liberals have succeeded in running numerous churches out. Many more churches are waiting to see what happens with General Assembly. Will they allow these churches to leave gracefully or will they steal their property along with the denomination. The mass exodus has only begun.
not a religious kook

Pulaski, TN

#11 Oct 11, 2012
Yes wrote:
"Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?"
There is no such thing as a liberal Christianity.
And that poster is a kook.

Jesus was a Socialist, who spouted the Fairness Doctrine, who said either you give to the lazy shiftless trailer trash poor or you won't see Heaven.

Christianity equals Politics. Worship the Alpha Male or suffer the consequences. Pander to the lowest common denominator, and stay in power,(blessed are the...).

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#13 Oct 13, 2012
not a religious kook wrote:
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And that poster is a kook.
Jesus was a Socialist, who spouted the Fairness Doctrine, who said either you give to the lazy shiftless trailer trash poor or you won't see Heaven.
Christianity equals Politics. Worship the Alpha Male or suffer the consequences. Pander to the lowest common denominator, and stay in power,(blessed are the...).
No. You have missed the entire point of His Gospel.

Repeatedly, He taught that His Kingdom is not of THIS World.

Recall when the woman anointed the feet of Jesus with the very expensive balm. Judas Iscariot complained, citing the "socialist" mentality that you have suggested. He was rebuked.

But, no. This was not what motivated Jesus and neither did it underpin His Teachings.

Recall the parable of the Good Samaritan. Contemplate these parts of the story:
1. The Samaritan was a fairly wealthy businessman. Not only did he pay the Innkeeper to dress the wounds of the highway robbery victim, he told the Innkeeper to take care of the man until he was fully healed.

2. The Samaritan was already known to the Innkeeper. He was trusted and had a "credit-line" at the Inn. He told the innkeeper that he would cover the cost of the man's recovery. The innkeeper took him at his word and trusted him for the amount.

3. Jesus did not fault the Samaritan for his wealth, credit or for his business reputation. In fact, the Samaritan's integrity and credit made it possible for the man to recover from his wounds. No suggestion is made that the Samaritan can or should expect government assistance.

4. The Innkeeper ran a legitimate business. He wasn't faulted for this. He was congratulated for it. Furthermore, he wasn't expected to undergo the cost of the victim's recovery. In fact, Jesus makes the point that he is to be fully compensated for his recuperative efforts on behalf of the victim. The understanding is that a business must be run responsibly.

No socialism here.

In fact, the government was composed of the ruling classes of Sadducees and Pharisees. What does the parable say about these?

5. The Rabbi, a member of the theocratic council, the government, and who had direct access to reimbursement for expenses submitted to the Treasury of Tax (Dollars), instead of using those Taxes to pay for the man's aid, avoided the injured man altogether by crossing to the other side of the road. What was his excuse? His excuse was that the Law prevented him from aiding the man on the Sabbath! The government is shown in the parable to be useless!

Look at the parable of the Talents. Does Jesus suggest taxation and redistribution to the poor, the levelling of disparate incomes and the government ownership and running of the financial and industrial engines of the society in this parable?

Nothing of the kind. Instead, Jesus tells a tale of capability, action, ingenuity and responsible financial enterprise. He finishes the story with the steward who makes an enterprise of the generation of wealth, with the Lord putting that steward in charge of much more responsibility and wealth.

No socialism here. Instead, reward and enterprise and ingenity and imaginative initiative leading to productive results - all of the positive aspects of capital that socialism debilitates.

No. Jesus was no socialist and certainly was no communist. In fact, He was a Corporatist. We know his enterprise as the "Body of Christ."

Yes, it costs money to operate and to sustain an effective ministry. Even if it is simply a matter of a few fresh loaves of bread and a few dried and salted fish.

Sometimes, you prime the pump. Sometimes, you lend a hand to help someone get up. Sometimes, you go out of your way to help someone in need. Sometimes, you contribute by providing a means of generatng capital, instead of just throwing money toward a problem. Rarely does the government run anything more effectively than the private sector.

But sometimes, it does.
nada

Evansville, IN

#14 Dec 29, 2012
The homosexuals are guests in our methodist houses of worship and should be treated with every ounce of dignity and honesty we can possibly give them. But however they must be respectfull and reverant guests and not forgeting they are there by invitation only. Just as i dont have the right to barge uninvited into someones home and put my muddy boots upon the coffee table and light a smoke and thump ashes onto their carpet neither do the homosexuals have the right to trash our houses of worship with their pro gay pseudo religious doctrines.
Swede

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#15 Dec 29, 2012
nada wrote:
The homosexuals are guests in our methodist houses of worship and should be treated with every ounce of dignity and honesty we can possibly give them. But however they must be respectfull and reverant guests and not forgeting they are there by invitation only. Just as i dont have the right to barge uninvited into someones home and put my muddy boots upon the coffee table and light a smoke and thump ashes onto their carpet neither do the homosexuals have the right to trash our houses of worship with their pro gay pseudo religious doctrines.
You expect too much from homosexual swine.
nada

Evansville, IN

#16 Jan 12, 2013
Swede wrote:
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You expect too much from homosexual swine.
I never expected anything from the homosexuals. But if I did expect anything from them I would also exPect the same from you.

“I call it as I see it.”

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#17 Jan 27, 2013
Real Christianity means that the Bible and not political correctness needs to be adhered to. When one removes the Bible from the equation, people are going to question why they even need to attend church.

“I call it as I see it.”

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#18 Jan 27, 2013
nada wrote:
The homosexuals are guests in our methodist houses of worship and should be treated with every ounce of dignity and honesty we can possibly give them. But however they must be respectfull and reverant guests and not forgeting they are there by invitation only. Just as i dont have the right to barge uninvited into someones home and put my muddy boots upon the coffee table and light a smoke and thump ashes onto their carpet neither do the homosexuals have the right to trash our houses of worship with their pro gay pseudo religious doctrines.
Very well said!

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#19 Jan 27, 2013
nada wrote:
The homosexuals are guests in our methodist houses of worship and should be treated with every ounce of dignity and honesty we can possibly give them. But however they must be respectfull and reverant guests and not forgeting they are there by invitation only. Just as i dont have the right to barge uninvited into someones home and put my muddy boots upon the coffee table and light a smoke and thump ashes onto their carpet neither do the homosexuals have the right to trash our houses of worship with their pro gay pseudo religious doctrines.
A statement of traditional hypocritical bigotry.
Quest

Woodford, VA

#20 Jan 27, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Very well said!
Hardly.

The home they are in is GOD'S home on earth, and His invitation doesn't come with strings attached.

Once a denomination starts excluding folks that feel aren't as Godly s they are, they have stopped following Christ and are only worshiping their denomination's traditions.
Quest

Woodford, VA

#21 Jan 27, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
Real Christianity means that the Bible and not political correctness needs to be adhered to. When one removes the Bible from the equation, people are going to question why they even need to attend church.
The Bible is subject to a million interpretations of thousands of verses.

But true Christianity is the belief that Jesus is our savior. Once that stops being the central point, the house of cards falls, and all the traditions and exclusions in the world won't hold it up.

“I call it as I see it.”

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Retirement City

#22 Jan 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Hardly.
The home they are in is GOD'S home on earth, and His invitation doesn't come with strings attached.
Once a denomination starts excluding folks that feel aren't as Godly s they are, they have stopped following Christ and are only worshiping their denomination's traditions.
Did you ever read about the incident in I Corinthians where a man was living sexually with his step mother and the apoltle Paul told them to exclude this one from fellowship. The Bible lists many behaviors that are an abomination to God. Nowhere does the Bible tell us to excuse unrepented sin. To say that Jesus would welcome unrepentent sinners into fellowship and eternal life makes a mockery of the Bible.

“I call it as I see it.”

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#23 Jan 27, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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A statement of traditional hypocritical bigotry.
You are free to believe as you please, but what you are promoting is not Biblical Christianity.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#24 Jan 27, 2013
Like the headline says, he's promoting liberal Christianity.

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Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#25 Jan 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
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The Bible is subject to a million interpretations of thousands of verses.
But true Christianity is the belief that Jesus is our savior. Once that stops being the central point, the house of cards falls, and all the traditions and exclusions in the world won't hold it up.
This is the truest statement on this thread so far. And yes, Christianity really is that simple. It's man's inevitable desire to control and manipulate that always complicates it. And to argue any other way is proof of that.

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