Lawmakers leave law forbidding homose...

Lawmakers leave law forbidding homosexuality on the books

There are 1007 comments on the WALB-TV Albany story from Mar 12, 2011, titled Lawmakers leave law forbidding homosexuality on the books. In it, WALB-TV Albany reports that:

Members of Kansas' gay community aren't happy as lawmakers in Topeka, KS, have decided to leave on the books laws banning homosexuality.

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Mona Lott

Jackson, NJ

#509 Mar 29, 2011
qwerty wrote:
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Yes, but as I discussed before, society views drug abuse as an illness.(I disagree, but am bound by the standards of the contracts.) By claiming drug addiction (confirmed by blood, hair and urine samples) the claim for cause is covered. In fact, in most group policies, coverage for preventative counseling, treatment of illness resulting from drug use et.al. are covered.
This is the reason that many of the gay/bi HIV+ males claim dirty needle as opposed to high risk lifestyle behaviors.
One is covered, the other is not.
The only problem is that it skews the statistics so that high risk sexual incounters (unprotected anal intercourse) as the source of infection are minimized. This, again, is why the CDC and AMA stats get skewed out of proportion and why they are meaningless.
Lying to take care of YOUR OWN coverage does not protect those in your immediate circle...and does NOTHING to help stop the spread of HIV.
No insurance company questions their policy holders on their sexual practices.
gaymarriedwithki ds

United States

#510 Mar 29, 2011
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
No insurance company questions their policy holders on their sexual practices.
I've been employee insured for a looong time, but Im pretty sure you're right.
qwerty

Gardner, KS

#511 Mar 29, 2011
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
No insurance company questions their policy holders on their sexual practices.
You are correct.

However if you have the exclusions in your policy,and you lie about HIV transmission to get covered, you WILL be found out and denied coverage.

Sorry.

Chris
gaymarriedwithki ds

United States

#512 Mar 29, 2011
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct.
However if you have the exclusions in your policy,and you lie about HIV transmission to get covered, you WILL be found out and denied coverage.
Sorry.
Chris
If they aren't asking, how can you lie about it?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#513 Mar 29, 2011
The number one path for STD's are male-female unprotected intercourse; these occur far more often than HIV transmission in gay males. I have yet to see a hetero person suffer higher premiums or be denied because they had an STD.

Exactly how do they "prove" that gay men became infected through unprotected anal sex if they claim IV drug use?
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they are...in respect to cause for claim.
You have to have an understanding of this complete conversation.
1. NOBODY is concerned about anyone's particular sexual lifestyle. Be whatever you are, just be honest and informed.
2. THE ONLY time there is a problem with your insurance is when you are in a group or individual policy with that has exclusions for high risk voluntary actions.(Unprotected anal sex has been proven to be the number one path for the contraction of HIV/AIDs.)
3. ALL reported HIV claims are investigated. Self declared gay and bi MALES are scrutinized when claiming "dirty needle" or other path of infection. Truthfully, the "dirty needle" scenario is only true in approximately 25% of all gay and bi males.
4. ALL FEMALES when compared apples to apples coverage have lower rates due to a general healthier populace and lower risk.(Men in general develop higher stress levels, have more heart congenital heart disease and have more physical occupations.)
Short answer: Women are not given a break because they are lesbian...ALL women have lower general health risks and are rated lower.
HOWEVER, you should scrutinize your health insurance VERY CLOSELY for "high risk lifestyle choice" exclusions. About 50% of all health insurance policies have them.
It is up to the individual, when purchasing insurance, to ask the questions about exclusions, if you are unwilling/unable to research your own policy.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#514 Mar 29, 2011
Let's see...most straight guys dont' get tested so they don't know if they are HIV+, but you focus on gay men and dismiss anything from the category of MSM except as it applies to gay men? It's mostly the straight guys raping each other in prison, and that is not being addressed by the insurance industry.

It's entirely self-serving. You reject the CDC's projections when it suits you and accept the portions that fit your--and your industry's--prejudices.
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
Again you are incorrect. The incidence of "rape" or "prison rape" or other "forced sexual encounter" as related to the spread of HIV in the gay/bi male community is less than 1%.
The CDC projection reference 1 in 4 heteros with HIV are unaware of their status has yet to be proven. It certainly has not been proven in the cause for claims through all the national insurance carriers.
You also have to remember that in 2009 the CDC projected 10,000 deaths in the United States from Avian Influenza outbreak by 2011, which was off by 9,996.(Only 6% of the population of the United States took advantage of the preventive inoculation.) The CDC ALWAYS uses worst case scenario's for it's projections.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#515 Mar 29, 2011
Since you can't prove inception of transmission, what you bully out of patients is irrelevant. You forget, I've dealt with insurance "investigators". They aren't interested in truth, only in finding some means of denying a claim. The best way to deal with the insects is to tell them you will be glad to talk with them, with the claimant's lawyer present. Usually, they won't even bother and they'll pay the claim.
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
That may be, but the payout of cause for claim would be MUCH different.
Denting your car door against the bumper of an adjacent car would still be considered an "accident" if claimed and while counted as an "accident" would be viewed as "minor".
Much different that contracting HIV.
You don't ever get a minor case of HIV.
No one is assuming that all "gay men are going to have unsafe sex."
What I have written repeatedly and factually is the following:
OF THE GAY/BI Males making the claim that they contracted HIV from "dirty needle" use or other than unsafe sexual practices, 74.4% of them will retract the account and identify unprotected anal sex as the primary probable cause.
Chris

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#516 Mar 29, 2011
Because your opinion is so much more valuable than those who research these things for a living.
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but as I discussed before, society views drug abuse as an illness.(I disagree, but am bound by the standards of the contracts.) By claiming drug addiction (confirmed by blood, hair and urine samples) the claim for cause is covered. In fact, in most group policies, coverage for preventative counseling, treatment of illness resulting from drug use et.al. are covered.
This is the reason that many of the gay/bi HIV+ males claim dirty needle as opposed to high risk lifestyle behaviors.
One is covered, the other is not.
The only problem is that it skews the statistics so that high risk sexual incounters (unprotected anal intercourse) as the source of infection are minimized. This, again, is why the CDC and AMA stats get skewed out of proportion and why they are meaningless.
Lying to take care of YOUR OWN coverage does not protect those in your immediate circle...and does NOTHING to help stop the spread of HIV.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#517 Mar 29, 2011
The methods for preventing the transmission of HIV have nothing whatsoever to do with how you file a claim. Safe sex, not sharing needles, etc, do.

That's despicable. Don't use actual AIDS prevention as some kind of ridiculous feint to cover up the industry's reluctance to pay claims.
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
...
Lying to take care of YOUR OWN coverage does not protect those in your immediate circle...and does NOTHING to help stop the spread of HIV.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#518 Mar 29, 2011
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they are...in respect to cause for claim.
You have to have an understanding of this complete conversation.
1. NOBODY is concerned about anyone's particular sexual lifestyle. Be whatever you are, just be honest and informed.
2. THE ONLY time there is a problem with your insurance is when you are in a group or individual policy with that has exclusions for high risk voluntary actions.(Unprotected anal sex has been proven to be the number one path for the contraction of HIV/AIDs.)
3. ALL reported HIV claims are investigated. Self declared gay and bi MALES are scrutinized when claiming "dirty needle" or other path of infection. Truthfully, the "dirty needle" scenario is only true in approximately 25% of all gay and bi males.
4. ALL FEMALES when compared apples to apples coverage have lower rates due to a general healthier populace and lower risk.(Men in general develop higher stress levels, have more heart congenital heart disease and have more physical occupations.)
Short answer: Women are not given a break because they are lesbian...ALL women have lower general health risks and are rated lower.
HOWEVER, you should scrutinize your health insurance VERY CLOSELY for "high risk lifestyle choice" exclusions. About 50% of all health insurance policies have them.
It is up to the individual, when purchasing insurance, to ask the questions about exclusions, if you are unwilling/unable to research your own policy.
The point of insurance is to spread the risk. Everybody has the potential for no illness or a catastrophic illness. If everyone pays equally into the pool, there are sufficient funds to cover everyone from just their annual flu shot through Stage IV cancer treatment to Lupus to HIV and all points in between.

The insurance companies, all post huge profits, at least among the majors.

If not for me living in California, I could be denied health insurance coverage. The question then becomes, are we, as a society, accepting that we will deny people you call "high risk" - by which I mean to say, "Are we, as a people, willing to let people just die?"

Are we prepared to do what it takes, to the logical conclusion, to minimize risk, so as to reduce Insurance costs?

Are we prepared to force all pregnant women into seclusion to insure they never touch a drop of alcohol, are exposed to VOC's, lead, tobacco products, etc.? Are we prepared to deny those with genetic predispositions and/or markers any insurance care (Eugenics)? What about about people who smoke or drink or drink and drive? What about diabetics who choose to not exercise and eat the food we mandate they must eat? Are we prepared to deny drivers licenses to people who have even one accident?

Where is that line on which we deny individual liberty and freedoms of choice?!

To do what is suggested we would be compelled to amend the Constitution.

Who enforces these rules and what are the penalties for those that don't enforce them?

Using the authors logic and reasoning, we know that we will abandon to die those with HIV and any who get infected in the future with HIV. We are in effect, murdering those people.

We are saying as a society, that murder, state sanctioned murder, is acceptable, because we don't like a class of people.

Where do "civilized" people draw the line?

Eric

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#519 Mar 29, 2011
Good news for rump rammers, there's a cure for your disease, it's called trinoacitol (pronounced: try no a$$ at all) It works wonders to stop the spread of AIDS

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#520 Mar 29, 2011
WBC Supporter wrote:
Good news for rump rammers, there's a cure for your disease, it's called trinoacitol (pronounced: try no a$$ at all) It works wonders to stop the spread of AIDS
1 in 5 women, 1 in 4 people, in Angola, Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe and South Africa - are HIV infected through heterosexual sex.

Something flawed in your logic.

Eric

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#521 Mar 29, 2011
gemelk wrote:
<quoted text>
1 in 5 women, 1 in 4 people, in Angola, Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe and South Africa - are HIV infected through heterosexual sex.
Something flawed in your logic.
Eric
And the vast majority are either butt boys or baboon bonkers.
gaymarriedwithki ds

United States

#522 Mar 29, 2011
The appropriate reason for insurance is to spread risk. The actual reason for it is to funnel billions of private and public dollars into the hands if liars, cheats, and murderers.

The public option will return, and EVERYONE will choose it.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#523 Mar 29, 2011
WBC Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
And the vast majority are either butt boys or baboon bonkers.
No sir. You are either being willfully ignorant of the facts or at worst, racist.

The number one spread of HIV in Africa is heterosexual sex, largely through rape! Hope you straight men are proud of your fine raping skills.

The number spread of HIV in Asia is heterosexual sex.

It's a vast pity that you show so little compassion for human beings.

Eric

Since: Jul 09

Estero, FL

#524 Mar 29, 2011
gemelk wrote:
<quoted text>
1 in 5 women, 1 in 4 people, in Angola, Botswana, Namibia, Zimbabwe and South Africa - are HIV infected through heterosexual sex.
Something flawed in your logic.
Eric
logic? What logic? This guy is just a bigot troll.
Michael Kirby

Adelaide, Australia

#525 Mar 29, 2011
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but as I discussed before, society views drug abuse as an illness.(I disagree, but am bound by the standards of the contracts.) By claiming drug addiction (confirmed by blood, hair and urine samples) the claim for cause is covered. In fact, in most group policies, coverage for preventative counseling, treatment of illness resulting from drug use et.al. are covered.
This is the reason that many of the gay/bi HIV+ males claim dirty needle as opposed to high risk lifestyle behaviors.
One is covered, the other is not.
The only problem is that it skews the statistics so that high risk sexual incounters (unprotected anal intercourse) as the source of infection are minimized. This, again, is why the CDC and AMA stats get skewed out of proportion and why they are meaningless.
Lying to take care of YOUR OWN coverage does not protect those in your immediate circle...and does NOTHING to help stop the spread of HIV.
This Qwerty is a terrible, terrible fellow.

Just look at his posts - telling things the way they are and not the way a particular sub-group would wish them to be.

Aren't plain facts (i.e. truth) too terible to hear.

Shame on you, Qwerty - shame on you (I don't think).

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#526 Mar 30, 2011
The only part of your post that had any basis in reality.
Michael Kirby wrote:
<quoted text>
...(I don't think).
Mona Lott

Jackson, NJ

#527 Mar 30, 2011
qwerty wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct.
However if you have the exclusions in your policy,and you lie about HIV transmission to get covered, you WILL be found out and denied coverage.
Sorry.
Chris
No one asks how anyone got HIV.

WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO KID????????

Stop with your juvenile bullshit already.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#528 Mar 30, 2011
Michael Kirby wrote:
<quoted text>
This Qwerty is a terrible, terrible fellow.
Just look at his posts - telling things the way they are and not the way a particular sub-group would wish them to be.
Aren't plain facts (i.e. truth) too terible to hear.
Shame on you, Qwerty - shame on you (I don't think).
Except he's not telling the truth.

Oh, and the LGBT community could not have gotten anywhere in their fight for legal equality without a whole lot of heterosexual help and support, because when push comes to shove, human beings don't like bullies like you and qwerty.

Oh, and it's not like Aussies don't know how to bully minority populations, just ask any Aborigine about legally enshrined bullying and hatred. Now there's a dark history.

Eric

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