Baltimore Ravens' Matt Birk rants against gay marriage based on 'Catholic values' - Last Word

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Matt Birk of the Baltimore Ravens football team wrote publicly about his disdain for gay and lesbian marriage rights on Sunday, Sept. 30. His opinion piece appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Calling marriage a "sacred institution," Birk claimed that, "as a Christian," he believed that man-woman marriage is "privileged and recognized" in order for children to be raised in stable homes.

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Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#23 Oct 1, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Wow PLEASE tell us what is so fabulous about being gay in your mind that an 8 year old would jump at the chance to try it.
Read what the homosexual called Edmond wrote. He/she/wtf said that homosexuality should "be encouraged, early on". That implies that adults will be goading little kids into embracing a queer mindset and lifestyle.
I was asking a legitimate question to a different homosexual, but since homosexuals are all pretty much the same, how early do you think kids should be hearing from adults that want to promote homosexuality to them?
Lemon Lipstick

Pittsfield, MA

#24 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
Plus i'm sure that Matt Birk and the rest of the NFL players were tired of Chris Kluwe making the whole NFL look gay.
As if the punter needs any more reason to be despised of on or off the field. He dafamed the integrity of the game. Gays do it all the time. Separate shower for that boy. The Sandusky stall!
Lemon Lipstick

Pittsfield, MA

#25 Oct 1, 2012
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>No no! That is the STR8's saying...you can keep it! Talking about men with girls.
How normal of you.

GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#26 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
<quoted text>
The converse is true also. A kid who is on the fence, or confused about his orientation, must be knocked of the fence at an early age. That is why the new California law banning Conversion Therapy for teenagers is problematic.
When you start talking about "knocking children off fences at an early age" that's when I begin to worry about YOUR agenda.

We are discussing what adults do and how honest adults are with children about WHAT adults do.

Honesty and education seem to terrify you.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#27 Oct 1, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Wow PLEASE tell us what is so fabulous about being gay in your mind that an 8 year old would jump at the chance to try it.
She needs to ck out alot of states sexual predetor list. 18 or older guys with minor girls ALOT!

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#28 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
<quoted text>
The converse is true also. A kid who is on the fence, or confused about his orientation, must be knocked of the fence at an early age. That is why the new California law banning Conversion Therapy for teenagers is problematic.
Sounds like someone misses those sessions being strapped down and zapped with electricity.

Then those soothing baths in ice-cubes afterwards. Pudding for dessert?

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#29 Oct 1, 2012
Lemon Lipstick wrote:
<quoted text>
How normal of you.
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE
I have your GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE hanging....Come and GOBBLE it! ROTFL@U!!!!=)
Lemon Lipstick

Pittsfield, MA

#30 Oct 1, 2012
The only people responsible for informing children of homosexuality are parents. It is of their own right in choosing either to inform their children of homosexuality and whether it is right or wrong and not to be forced or swayed in either direction by big govt.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Oct 1, 2012
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no such thing as "encouraging" someone to be homosexual. Either they are or they aren't. You can only encourage them to be happy with who they are.
As for what age, that would take some research into the subject, something that many people prefer to block entirely. For them, "never" is the right time. They (somehow) think they're doing kids a good service by simply assuming that everyone around them is straight, and vocally proclaiming that anyone different is an evil destructive deviant.
This attitude does absolutely nothing for kids who ARE growing up with the realization that they are gay. These kids are surrounded by supposedly "trusted loved ones", but they already know that they can't talk about what troubles them. They are surrounded by peers who are different, and they already feel like outsiders. They already worry that they'll be thrown out of their homes if they are open and honest. They already worry about their safety. I know they worry about these things, because I worried about the same things.
I think it would be a good thing to help these kids learn who they are, how they can grow up to be well-adjusted adults, and to let them know that they are welcomed in civilized society, even if they're gay.
Most schools peg sex-ed at around 5th or 6th grade. In a society that is finally learning that gay people are among them, that sounds like the perfect time to teach it.
Read what you wrote. I quoted you. You're implying that queerness should be encouraged and promoted by adults to the children under their control.
By 5th grade.
That's sick and evil.
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#32 Oct 1, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>"The gay propensity for rationalization facilitates such behavior"?
You're a trip. You see a child with a bruise on it's arm and blame the bruise for the action of the adult that put it there.
Now do you know how I figured out you were an attorney? And a bad one at that?
You're a trip all right. I'm not talking about child abuse. I'm talking about a gay that enters into a fraudulent marriage in order to have children. You know, the part that happens before the kids happen.
hate Stupidity

Annapolis, MD

#33 Oct 1, 2012
It is just like the Catholic Church to find a guy that makes a living tearing the limbs off people as a spokesperson. A sucker punching, body slamming guy - basically a hired gun - what a great moral compass to provide such a message!

When he says in his recorded piece, "for the sake of the children," - where have we heard that before? How does an organization claim that they are standing up for the rights of children when they failed to do it so miserably in so many abuse cases.

And how does that discourse regarding the right of children to know their own parents fit in? Children are being kept from birth mothers and birth fathers every day because of this country's homophobia. Just because he speaks in a beautiful and polished way does not make the words any less bigoted.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#34 Oct 1, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>When you start talking about "knocking children off fences at an early age" that's when I begin to worry about YOUR agenda.
We are discussing what adults do and how honest adults are with children about WHAT adults do.
Honesty and education seem to terrify you.
Why do little kids need to be told by adults what adult queers do and how the kids should at least consider trying it?

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#35 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
Read what the homosexual called Edmond wrote. He/she/wtf said that homosexuality should "be encouraged, early on". That implies that adults will be goading little kids into embracing a queer mindset and lifestyle.
I was asking a legitimate question to a different homosexual, but since homosexuals are all pretty much the same, how early do you think kids should be hearing from adults that want to promote homosexuality to them?
It doesn't sound like you read what I wrote AT ALL. See my post #20 for clarification.

No one will be "goaded" into ANYTHING. But some kids ARE growing up gay RIGHT NOW. I know, I was one of them, and no one "goaded" me into it.

For kids who realize that they are different, this is an incredibly difficult place for them to be in life. They don't need poorly-informed adults telling them that they're evil. They don't need other kids talking about how much they'd like to beat on a queer. They need acceptance, understanding, and education.

These kids are out there, and they're largely alone. They often have few adults that they can trust with this information about themselves. No one to go to, or even talk to. Think how that would feel.

No one is talking about MAKING kids gay, or encouraging them to try it. We're talking about making kids who are ALREADY gay, comfortable with themselves, and starting them out on a GOOD path toward a healthy adulthood.

I don't know how many times I've heard people (like you?) complain about how gay people are sexual deviants, drug users, liars, etc etc. And you know something? I can admit that there's plenty of that out there in the gay community.

But what do you EXPECT? When you leave these kids with ZERO guidance, when you FORBID them from discussing these issues, when you make a sympathetic ear completely unavailable, how do you THINK they will grow up? The ones who manage to find positive role models, and steer their lives into productive directions, are the LUCKY ones. Some kids don't even SURVIVE past childhood, dead at their OWN HANDS, because they only "guidance" they receive is that they're helpless and hopeless. Is THAT what you want?

Some kids are gay. They're not going to turn straight no matter WHAT you tell them (and straight kids aren't going to turn gay either). What they NEED are adults who are ready to show them that they CAN be healthy and happy without compromising who they are, without lying or hiding, and without feeling shame or guilt.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#36 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
Read what you wrote. I quoted you. You're implying that queerness should be encouraged and promoted by adults to the children under their control.
By 5th grade.
That's sick and evil.
You've quoted NOTHING. You're deliberatly DISTORTING what I've said.

The ACTUAL quote was:

"Such men (or women) should be encouraged early on to embrace who they are, so they do NOT drag anyone else into a lie of a life."

Encouraged to EMBRACE WHO THEY *ARE*.

Not "encouraged to becoming something they're not".

Not "encouraged to turn gay".

Who they ARE. Who they ALREADY are.

There is nothing "sick" about telling gay kids that they are loved and not hated. There's nothing "evil" about making room in the world for everyone.

I don't know WHAT you want to teach these kids. Keep it in the closet? NEVER talk about it? Pull away from those you would otherwise trust? Lock your true self up? Live a life of shadows and deceit? Never grow close to anyone? Choose a spouse that you DON'T love, and LIE to them for years? Just to fit in?

Yeah, that kind of attitude will do WONDERS for a person's psyche.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#37 Oct 1, 2012
Wow. The anti-gay are getting really unhinged lately on here. Must be the desperation from knowing their cause is lost.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#38 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
<quoted text>
The converse is true also. A kid who is on the fence, or confused about his orientation, must be knocked of the fence at an early age. That is why the new California law banning Conversion Therapy for teenagers is problematic.
On the fence? WTH does that mean? Perhaps you're suggesting that the kid is bisexual, and (s)he needs to be forbidden to explore the same-sex attractions. But even stating that children can be bisexual is an admission that different people have different attractions. Furthermore, you imply that many are not on-the-fence. Most of those, of course, are straight. But many are gay. So you have just admitted that gay is a legitimate sexual orientation.

Now the question is why those on the other side of the fence need to be excluded. To make you feel superior? You must really have some problems with self-esteem.
Lemon Lipstick

Pittsfield, MA

#39 Oct 1, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
Wow. The anti-gay are getting really unhinged lately on here. Must be the desperation from knowing their cause is lost.
Voted down every time.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#40 Oct 1, 2012
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't sound like you read what I wrote AT ALL. See my post #20 for clarification.
No one will be "goaded" into ANYTHING. But some kids ARE growing up gay RIGHT NOW. I know, I was one of them, and no one "goaded" me into it.
For kids who realize that they are different, this is an incredibly difficult place for them to be in life. They don't need poorly-informed adults telling them that they're evil. They don't need other kids talking about how much they'd like to beat on a queer. They need acceptance, understanding, and education.
These kids are out there, and they're largely alone. They often have few adults that they can trust with this information about themselves. No one to go to, or even talk to. Think how that would feel.
No one is talking about MAKING kids gay, or encouraging them to try it. We're talking about making kids who are ALREADY gay, comfortable with themselves, and starting them out on a GOOD path toward a healthy adulthood.
I don't know how many times I've heard people (like you?) complain about how gay people are sexual deviants, drug users, liars, etc etc. And you know something? I can admit that there's plenty of that out there in the gay community.
But what do you EXPECT? When you leave these kids with ZERO guidance, when you FORBID them from discussing these issues, when you make a sympathetic ear completely unavailable, how do you THINK they will grow up? The ones who manage to find positive role models, and steer their lives into productive directions, are the LUCKY ones. Some kids don't even SURVIVE past childhood, dead at their OWN HANDS, because they only "guidance" they receive is that they're helpless and hopeless. Is THAT what you want?
Some kids are gay. They're not going to turn straight no matter WHAT you tell them (and straight kids aren't going to turn gay either). What they NEED are adults who are ready to show them that they CAN be healthy and happy without compromising who they are, without lying or hiding, and without feeling shame or guilt.
I just don't think it's appropriate anymore for adult queers to be promoting and encouraging little kids to accept and try out the homosexual mindset/lifestyle.
Why must adult homosexuals always impose themselves and their concerns on other peoples' kids?
Maybe queers should have their own private schools instead of using our taxpayer-funded government schools for infusing and spamming our kids' minds with pro-homosexual propaganda.
For whatever Jerry Sandusky-like reason.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#41 Oct 1, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
<quoted text>
On the fence? WTH does that mean? Perhaps you're suggesting that the kid is bisexual, and (s)he needs to be forbidden to explore the same-sex attractions. But even stating that children can be bisexual is an admission that different people have different attractions. Furthermore, you imply that many are not on-the-fence. Most of those, of course, are straight. But many are gay. So you have just admitted that gay is a legitimate sexual orientation.
Now the question is why those on the other side of the fence need to be excluded. To make you feel superior? You must really have some problems with self-esteem.
Presumably you're an adult.
You're discussing the potential sexuality/sexual behavior of children.
It's something about which you're obviously quite interested.
You need a check-up, STAT.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#42 Oct 1, 2012
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
You've quoted NOTHING. You're deliberatly DISTORTING what I've said.
The ACTUAL quote was:
"Such men (or women) should be encouraged early on to embrace who they are, so they do NOT drag anyone else into a lie of a life."
Encouraged to EMBRACE WHO THEY *ARE*.
Not "encouraged to becoming something they're not".
Not "encouraged to turn gay".
Who they ARE. Who they ALREADY are.
There is nothing "sick" about telling gay kids that they are loved and not hated. There's nothing "evil" about making room in the world for everyone.
I don't know WHAT you want to teach these kids. Keep it in the closet? NEVER talk about it? Pull away from those you would otherwise trust? Lock your true self up? Live a life of shadows and deceit? Never grow close to anyone? Choose a spouse that you DON'T love, and LIE to them for years? Just to fit in?
Yeah, that kind of attitude will do WONDERS for a person's psyche.
Why do you think it's appropriate for adults to start talking about "embracing who you are", clearly having something to do with a sexual context, to peoples' little kids?
WTF is the matter with you?

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