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Hawaii appeals court upholds ruling against bed and breakfast that wouldn't serve lesbian couple

There are 81 comments on the KFVE-TV Honolulu story from Feb 24, 2018, titled Hawaii appeals court upholds ruling against bed and breakfast that wouldn't serve lesbian couple. In it, KFVE-TV Honolulu reports that:

There's a new development in the case involving a same-sex couple that was denied service at Aloha Bed & Breakfast in 2011. On Friday, Hawaii's Intermediate Court of Appeals upheld a previous ruling that the Hawaii Kai bed and breakfast was discriminatory for refusing a lesbian couple a room because of their sexual orientation.

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Samuel

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#1 Feb 24, 2018
"Young admitted to turning the women away because she felt that homosexual relationships were detestable and defiled the land."

I agree with young.

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Hudson

Housatonic, MA

#2 Feb 24, 2018
Samuel wrote:
"Young admitted to turning the women away because she felt that homosexual relationships were detestable and defiled the land."
I agree with young.
You are free to be a bigoted moron. However, that opinion does not give you leave to disobey the law.

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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#3 Feb 24, 2018
If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.

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Samuel

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#4 Feb 24, 2018
Wondering wrote:
If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.
Bingo!

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“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

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#5 Feb 24, 2018
Wondering wrote:
If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.
If they don't want certain people in their home, they should not get a license to run a B & B, since it is subject to certain standards with which they must comply. They are running a business open to the public, and that means the public, all of it.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#6 Feb 24, 2018
RalphB wrote:
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If they don't want certain people in their home, they should not get a license to run a B & B, since it is subject to certain standards with which they must comply. They are running a business open to the public, and that means the public, all of it.
Even here in the gay state, owners of two family houses can be very picky about who they rent to if they live in one apartment of the home. Rental property is also regulated.

Within limits, the owner has the ability to discriminate against a potential tenant. Under Massachusetts law, when the apartment complex is a two-family unit and the owner lives in one of the units, major discrimination laws do not apply. An owner could deny the rental opportunity to a tenant because of gender, age, disability, or number of children. This is only permissible for an owner-occupied two-family dwelling. The full extent of discrimination laws are applied if the dwelling includes more than two units.

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“10 kinds: get binary or don't”

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#7 Feb 24, 2018
Wondering wrote:
If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.
If they don't want to follow the non-discrimination laws, they are free not to rent their homes.

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Pence of Tides

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Feb 24, 2018
Wondering wrote:
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If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.
It's a place of public accommodation.

Your rundown of tenancy laws is dissembling, as usual. Landlords do have a lot of latitude as to whom to rent to. In MA and other educated enclaves they have zero latitude to discriminate on the basis of race or of sexual orientation or of sex, etc.

(There are often exceptions made for rental units in the landlords primary residence, but these are one year leases we're talking about, not four day vacation stays.)

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#9 Feb 25, 2018
Not when they turn their home into a business open to the public. These aren't people inviting guests; these are short-term landlords taking in tenants.
Wondering wrote:
If anyone should be exempt it should be people like the owners of this B&B. Almost all B&B's are homes. The hosts live there. If they don't want someone in their home they should be free to refuse anyone for any reason. This isn't a Wynn resort we're talking about.
Rainbow Kid

New York, NY

#10 Feb 25, 2018
Samuel wrote:
"Young admitted to turning the women away because she felt that homosexual relationships were detestable and defiled the land."

I agree with young.
If they can't run their B&B according to the law; perhaps diversity training in the government's B&B at Leavenworth would improve the innkeeper's hospitality enough to keep him out of court
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Kansas City is nice for a few days every summer (so they claim)
Rainbow Kid

New York, NY

#11 Feb 25, 2018
cpeter1313 wrote:
Not when they turn their home into a business open to the public. These aren't people inviting guests; these are short-term landlords taking in tenants.

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B&B's have hidden peepholes
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Perhaps lesbian watching is not on the B&B's peeping tom menu
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#12 Feb 25, 2018
cpeter1313 wrote:
Not when they turn their home into a business open to the public. These aren't people inviting guests; these are short-term landlords taking in tenants.

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Not the same, the hosts are actually living with the guests. They should be able to refuse anyone for any reason.

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Rainbow Kid

New York, NY

#13 Feb 25, 2018
Wondering wrote:
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Not the same, the hosts are actually living with the guests. They should be able to refuse anyone for any reason.
Living with the guests is way too creepy
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Some of the hosts could be mice; rats; snakes; or fake christians
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So if the B&B operates under a business license; then every guest must be guaranteed equal treatment under the law
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#14 Feb 25, 2018
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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So if the B&B operates under a business license; then every guest must be guaranteed equal treatment under the law
Sure, once they become guests.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#15 Feb 25, 2018
That means the people (landlords, not hosts) are not suited to being owners of a BnB. The public has a right to expect that a BUSINESS obeys the laws in its locale.
Wondering wrote:
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Not the same, the hosts are actually living with the guests. They should be able to refuse anyone for any reason.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#16 Feb 25, 2018
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If they can't run their B&B according to the law; perhaps diversity training in the government's B&B at Leavenworth would improve the innkeeper's hospitality enough to keep him out of court
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Kansas City is nice for a few days every summer (so they claim)
Leavenworth is 50 miles west of KC in the state of Brownback. He took a tour of the place said it stunk. They are going to build on new one. As for nice summer days---yes!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#17 Feb 25, 2018
cpeter1313 wrote:
That means the people (landlords, not hosts) are not suited to being owners of a BnB. The public has a right to expect that a BUSINESS obeys the laws in its locale.

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They aren't landlords, they are hosts. Landlords have tenants, not vacationers. Landlords don't have breakfast with their tenants. They don't share the kitchen with their tenants. That's just the dumbest thing you've said so far. That includes the spitting on vets thing.

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Rainbow Kid

New York, NY

#18 Feb 25, 2018
Wondering wrote:
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They aren't landlords, they are hosts. Landlords have tenants, not vacationers. Landlords don't have breakfast with their tenants. They don't share the kitchen with their tenants. That's just the dumbest thing you've said so far. That includes the spitting on vets thing.
Either way; they still operate under a business license and charge money for public accommodations
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Two separate judges have ruled against the business owner so far
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How many more rulings will it take to convince you?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#19 Feb 25, 2018
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Either way; they still operate under a business license and charge money for public accommodations
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Two separate judges have ruled against the business owner so far
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How many more rulings will it take to convince you?
One, coming around June.

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Magic Utah Uwear

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Feb 25, 2018
"Bed and breakfast establishments do have a right to refuse accommodations to closet case who urinate in rage on other men in public."

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