ACLU Declares War on Texas Honky Tonks

ACLU Declares War on Texas Honky Tonks

There are 13 comments on the Dallas Blog story from Dec 25, 2013, titled ACLU Declares War on Texas Honky Tonks. In it, Dallas Blog reports that:

A Honky Tonk in Victoria, Tx. has a policy that forbids two men from doing the Boot-scootin Boogie together on their dance floor.

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#1 Dec 26, 2013
I hope the ACLU sues the cowboy hats off them!

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Since: Nov 07

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#2 Dec 26, 2013
equalityboy81 wrote:
I hope the ACLU sues the cowboy hats off them!
Victoria apparently doesn't have any sort of public accommodations ordinance of its own and state law isn't any help. As bad of an idea as this was by the club, it may have been legal.
barefoot2626

United States

#3 Dec 26, 2013
dam fudgepackers need to stay at their own clubs and not mingle with the decent folks.

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Since: Dec 12

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#4 Dec 26, 2013
equalityboy81 wrote:
I hope the ACLU sues the cowboy hats off them!
We don't need any more brokeback cowpokes.

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#5 Dec 26, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Victoria apparently doesn't have any sort of public accommodations ordinance of its own and state law isn't any help. As bad of an idea as this was by the club, it may have been legal.
If the discrimination is legal then why did the ACLU get involved? There must be something the ACLU feels has been violated or a way they can win to even take such a case. I hear they don't tend to take cases they don't feel they can win. Is there gender discrimination involved here possibly since this "policy" doesn't apply to women or it was never shown to them in writing if such a policy exists? Or that they can't dance together to country but can to other genres? I feel that there is more than sexual orientation discrimination involved here that the ACLU can use as a weapon in this particular case. What next? Them saying black men can't dance with white women to country?

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Since: Nov 07

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#6 Dec 27, 2013
equalityboy81 wrote:
If the discrimination is legal then why did the ACLU get involved? There must be something the ACLU feels has been violated or a way they can win to even take such a case. I hear they don't tend to take cases they don't feel they can win. Is there gender discrimination involved here possibly since this "policy" doesn't apply to women or it was never shown to them in writing if such a policy exists? Or that they can't dance together to country but can to other genres? I feel that there is more than sexual orientation discrimination involved here that the ACLU can use as a weapon in this particular case. What next? Them saying black men can't dance with white women to country?
The threat of a lawsuit may be enough to get the owners to change their "policy", or at least promise not to do anything like that again. They also could bring the city and state in as defendants on the grounds that their lack of protections on the basis of sexual orientation is a denial of equal protection.

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#7 Dec 27, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The threat of a lawsuit may be enough to get the owners to change their "policy", or at least promise not to do anything like that again. They also could bring the city and state in as defendants on the grounds that their lack of protections on the basis of sexual orientation is a denial of equal protection.
Rick, could it also be construed as gender discrimination considering that two women are not prohibited from dancing but two men are? While most places don't protect sexual orientation I know gender is protected everywhere. For example to say that lesbians are able to marry each other in a state but not gay male couples would have more to do with gender than sexual orientation and would probably be found to be gender discriminatory by a judge.

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#8 Dec 27, 2013
People should be able to dance where they want and to what genre of music they want. Isn't that a violation of human rights.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#9 Dec 28, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The threat of a lawsuit may be enough to get the owners to change their "policy", or at least promise not to do anything like that again. They also could bring the city and state in as defendants on the grounds that their lack of protections on the basis of sexual orientation is a denial of equal protection.
Giving each of these gay 'dancers' two body guards isn't equal protection either.
Can the bar be sued if they get the crap kicked out of them, or worse?
Do people become aggressive when they drink too much?
If the answer to either of these questions is yes, the bar did the right thing. Let them dance at a gay bar or at home. Ain't choice wonderful.

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Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#10 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Giving each of these gay 'dancers' two body guards isn't equal protection either.
Can the bar be sued if they get the crap kicked out of them, or worse?
Do people become aggressive when they drink too much?
If the answer to either of these questions is yes, the bar did the right thing. Let them dance at a gay bar or at home. Ain't choice wonderful.
Sorry, but my question is does the policy cover straight men who line dance as well? See, what these "GAY" men were doing was nothing more than what women have done for YEARS......dance together.....no one is offended when women do it, but when men do it....OMFG it has every straight guy flipping the fruck out.........get over yourself and your bigotry......they were dancing at a bar and nothing ELSE!!!

Frankly, I've known of straight couples going into Gay and Lesbian bars, insulting folks or making anti-gay derogatory comments and then be surprised when they are tossed out........no one stops straights from coming to Gay and Lesbian bars if they are out enjoying themselves and these 2 men should have been able to do the same thing......they weren't harming anyone and therefore any violence against them or what was done......should be challenged.....just like what happened with Lawrence vs Texas!!!
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#11 Dec 28, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but my question is does the policy cover straight men who line dance as well? See, what these "GAY" men were doing was nothing more than what women have done for YEARS......dance together.....no one is offended when women do it
Women dance together when men won't ask them to dance.
Women are more emotional, more sensitive. Lot's of men don't like to dance. They also don't keep diaries or have slumber parties. Girls are different, that's a good thing.

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Since: Aug 08

THEY ARE IS WRONG!!!

#12 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Women dance together when men won't ask them to dance.
Women are more emotional, more sensitive. Lot's of men don't like to dance. They also don't keep diaries or have slumber parties. Girls are different, that's a good thing.
Girls are different, but in the eyes of the law.......this appears to be GENDER discrimination and violates the law.........and besides what does girls being different have ANYTHING to do with how these 2 guys where treated? My guess is NOTHING!!!

You may not like what they did, but they are FREE American Citizens and can go where they want!!!

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Since: Nov 07

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#13 Dec 28, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Giving each of these gay 'dancers' two body guards isn't equal protection either.
If any of your patrons need bodyguards in order to protect them from your other patrons, there's a good probability you shouldn't be in business.
Wondering wrote:
Can the bar be sued if they get the crap kicked out of them, or worse?
They can be sued by ANYBODY who gets the crap kicked out of them on their property, regardless of the motivation for the kicking, they also can probably be sued by those responsible for the kicking and any innocent bystanders caught in the ruckus. It's a completely equal opportunity liability.
Wondering wrote:
Do people become aggressive when they drink too much?
Bars that serve too much resulting in aggressive acts, only increasing their liability. Bars that intoxicate customers can be held liable for acts like their driving under the influence.
Wondering wrote:
If the answer to either of these questions is yes, the bar did the right thing.
The problem is, the couple they have offended with their actions don't happen to agree with you on that. Everyone legally eligible to be in a bar should have the right to be in there, shouldn't they? Two men dancing together, not anti-social behavior, not even in Texas. threatening their safety or kicking them out in a feeble defense of their safety, seriously anti-social.
Wondering wrote:
Let them dance at a gay bar or at home.
Let them dance anywhere there is dancing, those with a problem with it can stay home.
Wondering wrote:
Ain't choice wonderful.
Uh-huh.

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