Gay clergyman's job offer withdrawn

Aug 4, 2014 Full story: BBC News 55

The first gay British clergyman to marry a same-sex partner has had an NHS job offer withdrawn because a bishop will not give the licence needed.

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“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#1 Aug 4, 2014
Ah, the good Christians. Always doing the right thing. Just as Jesus would have done.

How, exactly, does one claim to live in the image of Jesus and then force your own personal beliefs onto other people. Jesus would never have done that.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#2 Aug 4, 2014
Typical bigotry from hypocrite "Christians."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#3 Aug 4, 2014
,,,,and another one from across the pond.

Gay man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, gay man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".

Never stops and now it appears to be a worldwide phenomenon.

Tell a gay man "no", and read about it in the paper.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#4 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
,,,,and another one from across the pond.
Gay man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, gay man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".
Never stops and now it appears to be a worldwide phenomenon.
Tell a gay man "no", and read about it in the paper.
.....and you homophobes will cry "victim" when the law won't allow you to discriminate. Goes on and on, doesn't it?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
,,,,and another one from across the pond.
Gay man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, gay man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".
Never stops and now it appears to be a worldwide phenomenon.
Tell a gay man "no", and read about it in the paper.
Replace the word "gay" in what you just wrote with "black", or "Jewish", or "Christian", read it again, and then tell us how that's an okay attitude for ANYONE.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#6 Aug 4, 2014
Gremlin wrote:
<quoted text>.....and you homophobes will cry "victim" when the law won't allow you to discriminate. Goes on and on, doesn't it?
The dude knew he was moving into a problem area with his employer, who just happens to be a religious body.

He even acknowledges that his own governing body hasn't decided what to wo with folks in his position.

"the House of Bishops can't agree amongst themselves what ought to be the processes that somebody who enters a same-sex marriage should go through."

No oen told him he couldn't marry his partner. He did.

Now, he's just demanding, post-facto, that everything he does be affirmed by everyone even though he acknowledged that he knew the governing body, in fact, hadn't decided fully on the subject.

Sorry, Charlie. That doesn't happen just because you're gay. Grow up.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#7 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Replace the word "gay" in what you just wrote with "black", or "Jewish", or "Christian", read it again, and then tell us how that's an okay attitude for ANYONE.
That doesn't work. There are plenty of black Christian priests, no Jewish Christian priests and all the Christian priests are Christians. The word 'gay' is the only word that fits.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#8 Aug 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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That doesn't work. There are plenty of black Christian priests, no Jewish Christian priests and all the Christian priests are Christians. The word 'gay' is the only word that fits.
LOL!!! You couldn't be more clueless if you tried. Too funny.

DNF

“Judge more and you love less”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH-Baltimore MD-S.Fla

#9 Aug 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't work. There are plenty of black Christian priests, no Jewish Christian priests and all the Christian priests are Christians. The word 'gay' is the only word that fits.
Matthew 22:36-40

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#10 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
The dude knew he was moving into a problem area with his employer, who just happens to be a religious body.....
Women used to be routinely fired from their jobs if they got either married or pregnant because either situation was considered to render a woman unfit to continue her employment.

By your logic, shouldn't that still be okay? I mean, as long as women knew in advance that they will be fired for getting either married or pregnant, shouldn't they just do the responsible thing and not do them??? It's okay with you that employers wield that amount of control over their employees' personal lives?
Dan

United States

#11 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Women used to be routinely fired from their jobs if they got either married or pregnant because either situation was considered to render a woman unfit to continue her employment.
By your logic, shouldn't that still be okay? I mean, as long as women knew in advance that they will be fired for getting either married or pregnant, shouldn't they just do the responsible thing and not do them??? It's okay with you that employers wield that amount of control over their employees' personal lives?
Well, if you're a teacher in some religious schools, and you get pregnant out of wedlock, you can get fired.

So, yeah, if you know ahead of time that you can get canned for doing something, and you don't want to get canned, avoid doing the "something".

Duh.
Dan

United States

#12 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Replace the word "gay" in what you just wrote with "black", or "Jewish", or "Christian", read it again, and then tell us how that's an okay attitude for ANYONE.
He got canned for doing something, not for being gay.

Try again.
Ex Senator Santpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Aug 4, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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That doesn't work. There are plenty of black Christian priests, no Jewish Christian priests and all the Christian priests are Christians. The word 'gay' is the only word that fits.
Man, that's disordered even for you.

Speaking of which, how's that campaign of yours to get state AGs to start enforcing those unconstitutional anti sodomy laws which are still on the books?

You sick filth.
Dan

United States

#14 Aug 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Matthew 22:36-40
This, to you, is Jesus giving everyone on Earth dispensation from obeying the rules of their workplace?

Interesting.
Dan

United States

#15 Aug 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Matthew 22:36-40
How does this story end, DNF?

Guy gets hired by a religious organization to teach at a school they run.

He routinely shows up late, goes to his car for a nip out of a flask at lunch, and when instructing the pupils about a certain section of church teaching, he advises the kids that ihe thinks that the church teaching is wrong on the matter.

When he's in his boss's office where they intend to terminate him, the teacher says "You can't fire me. I love Jesus and my fellow man".

Does the guy have a job at the end of the meeting with the boss or not?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#16 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Replace the word "gay" in what you just wrote with "black", or "Jewish", or "Christian", read it again, and then tell us how that's an okay attitude for ANYONE.
Sure.

"Black man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, black man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".

"Jewish man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, Jewish man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".

"Christian man "Black man does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence, black man whines to the press that he's been treated "unfairly".

In all instances, the operative is "........does something of his own volition that places his employment status in jeopardy, employer follows through and applies negative consequence,...."

Works for everyone. People who willingly place their employment status in jeopardy somethimes get fired or, in this case, are denied an employment opportunity.

Is this somehow null and void for gay people? I thought that equality under the law was the objective, not preferential treatment.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#17 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
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He got canned for doing something, not for being gay.
Try again.
Someday, when you grow up and have a job, remember that you support employers being able to fire you for what you do in your private life, unrelated to your job.

I'm guessing you've never had a job or you'd find that notion to be very troubling.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#18 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
How does this story end, DNF?
Guy gets hired by a religious organization to teach at a school they run.
He routinely shows up late, goes to his car for a nip out of a flask at lunch, and when instructing the pupils about a certain section of church teaching, he advises the kids that ihe thinks that the church teaching is wrong on the matter.
When he's in his boss's office where they intend to terminate him, the teacher says "You can't fire me. I love Jesus and my fellow man".
Does the guy have a job at the end of the meeting with the boss or not?
Funny how all the examples of the behaviour you list are, in fact, related to a teacher's job performance. Someone's choice to get married bears no relation to his or her ability to perform their job as a teacher.
Dan

United States

#19 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Someday, when you grow up and have a job, remember that you support employers being able to fire you for what you do in your private life, unrelated to your job.
I'm guessing you've never had a job or you'd find that notion to be very troubling.
Go outside and take a look around.

People can be denied employment opportunities because they smoke, for example.

Unless I work at a tobacconist, it's not "job related".

Since: Aug 11

Scotts Valley, CA

#20 Aug 4, 2014
[QUOTE who="Dan"
Tell a gay man "no", and read about it in the paper.
[/QUOTE]

As it should be. Unfair discrimination, read about it in the newspaper.

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