Gay player's deal makes NBA history

Gay player's deal makes NBA history

There are 23 comments on the Preston Citizen story from Feb 23, 2014, titled Gay player's deal makes NBA history. In it, Preston Citizen reports that:

Openly gay basketball player Jason Collins who made history by signing a contract with the Brooklyn Nets Equal rights campaigners have praised an openly gay basketball player and his new team after he made history by signing a contract with the Brooklyn Nets.

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david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#1 Feb 23, 2014
Great .. It seems a " macho " world is reverting to what it should have always been : a human being 's world . Hats off to the Brooklyn Nets .

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Feb 24, 2014
And Long Island makes history AGAIN !:)

“Equality First”

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#3 Feb 24, 2014
I don't know how many folks have taken notice of the fact that the two most prominent sports figures who have "come out" are both African-Americans. I find it interesting that it took two men from a very macho culture (black men in sports) to break this barrier. What does that say about their white counter-parts?

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#4 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
I don't know how many folks have taken notice of the fact that the two most prominent sports figures who have "come out" are both African-Americans. I find it interesting that it took two men from a very macho culture (black men in sports) to break this barrier. What does that say about their white counter-parts?
They're weenies ?
Willy

Culver City, CA

#5 Feb 24, 2014
Warning to the normal players - DON'T BEND OVER FOR THE SOAP IF COLLINS IS IN THE SHOWER!

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#6 Feb 24, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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They're weenies ?
I don't know if I would use that particular term, but I think you have the idea.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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I don't know if I would use that particular term, but I think you have the idea.
I considered that very carefully before I posted it.

:)
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#8 Feb 24, 2014
Willy wrote:
Warning to the normal players - DON'T BEND OVER FOR THE SOAP IF COLLINS IS IN THE SHOWER!
Fantasize much?

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#9 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
I don't know how many folks have taken notice of the fact that the two most prominent sports figures who have "come out" are both African-Americans. I find it interesting that it took two men from a very macho culture (black men in sports) to break this barrier. What does that say about their white counter-parts?
I agree that's interesting. My personal experience confirms statistics suggesting that black gay men are more often closeted than white gay men. Perhaps spending a life-time of dealing with discrimination prepares them for navigating the coming-out process. Perhaps white gays have greater fear of losing the white heterosexual male privileges.
I think lesbians have also been braver in publicly proclaiming their sexuality. When one thinks of pride rallies, they think of a bunch of white men. When one thinks about gay ghettos and vacation destinations, they imagine bars and restaurants filled with white men. But we apparently prefer to hide in crowds.
Note that Tammy Baldwin remains the only Senator elected while out and open. Lesbians have been visible in sports for decades, although everyone suspects their presence in sports is much greater than gay men's.
If you think of coming out in terms of surrendering assumed privilege, white males have the most to lose.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Feb 24, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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I agree that's interesting. My personal experience confirms statistics suggesting that black gay men are more often closeted than white gay men. Perhaps spending a life-time of dealing with discrimination prepares them for navigating the coming-out process. Perhaps white gays have greater fear of losing the white heterosexual male privileges.
I think lesbians have also been braver in publicly proclaiming their sexuality. When one thinks of pride rallies, they think of a bunch of white men. When one thinks about gay ghettos and vacation destinations, they imagine bars and restaurants filled with white men. But we apparently prefer to hide in crowds.
Note that Tammy Baldwin remains the only Senator elected while out and open. Lesbians have been visible in sports for decades, although everyone suspects their presence in sports is much greater than gay men's.
If you think of coming out in terms of surrendering assumed privilege, white males have the most to lose.
I like my weenie theory better.

“Equality First”

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#11 Feb 24, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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I agree that's interesting. My personal experience confirms statistics suggesting that black gay men are more often closeted than white gay men. Perhaps spending a life-time of dealing with discrimination prepares them for navigating the coming-out process. Perhaps white gays have greater fear of losing the white heterosexual male privileges.
I think lesbians have also been braver in publicly proclaiming their sexuality. When one thinks of pride rallies, they think of a bunch of white men. When one thinks about gay ghettos and vacation destinations, they imagine bars and restaurants filled with white men. But we apparently prefer to hide in crowds.
Note that Tammy Baldwin remains the only Senator elected while out and open. Lesbians have been visible in sports for decades, although everyone suspects their presence in sports is much greater than gay men's.
If you think of coming out in terms of surrendering assumed privilege, white males have the most to lose.
Very interesting analysis. You have obviously given it much more thought than I had. But then, I came out in 1959 at age 15, so I never really had to consider it all quite so much. It just seemed all so natural to me at the time. I suffered some for my decision, but my die as cast, so I had no other options.

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#12 Feb 24, 2014
"My die WAS cast" not "die as". My "w" key is sticking.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#13 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
"My die WAS cast" not "die as". My "w" key is sticking.
For years I completely misunderstood the meaning of that quote (until I read a biography of Julius Caesar).

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#14 Feb 24, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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For years I completely misunderstood the meaning of that quote (until I read a biography of Julius Caesar).
Yeah, I had to take part in a production in my junior year of high school. I was an understudy for two parts, although I never had to go on stage (thank my lucky stars). That's where I learned it, and what the reference was. I would have said, "Well, now we are committed". "The die is cast" is much more original, which explains why I don't write prose.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#15 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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Yeah, I had to take part in a production in my junior year of high school. I was an understudy for two parts, although I never had to go on stage (thank my lucky stars). That's where I learned it, and what the reference was. I would have said, "Well, now we are committed". "The die is cast" is much more original, which explains why I don't write prose.
Well, I misunderstood it because I thought it was a reference to a "die" being a metal part used for stamping out other metal parts, being cast, as in manufactured. Not as in dice being thrown to make a decision.

I read a biography of Julius Caesar about 4 years ago. And although over the years, I have tended to think of biographies as boring, I have actually read quite a few biographies that I enjoyed very much, including, but no limited to, biographies of: Chastity Bono, Grace Slick, Al Capone, Ted Hall, Morris Childs, Julius Caesar, Ryszard Kukli&#324;ski and others.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Feb 24, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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I think lesbians have also been braver in publicly proclaiming their sexuality.
I agree with much of what you say, but lesbians are not the same sexual threat to homophobic males dominating things in a patriarchal culture. They might be a threat to gender expectations and to misogyny, but they don't provide the direct, imagined, bodily sexual "threat" to insecure males...which we see demonstrated by the homophobic trolls here every ten minutes.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Feb 24, 2014
RalphB wrote:
I don't know how many folks have taken notice of the fact that the two most prominent sports figures who have "come out" are both African-Americans. I find it interesting that it took two men from a very macho culture (black men in sports) to break this barrier. What does that say about their white counter-parts?
I think part of this is that even successful African Americans do not generally inhabit the same universe of expert guidance on how to pursue one's self interest as do successful white people in this society.

Collins had less to lose, being at the end of his career. The college player, although he was apparently out in college, doesn't seem to have concocted a comprehensive plan for dealing with any aftermath.(Of course I am convinced they are both sincere and brave on the politics of the matter.)

What they should have done is each find three or four others in their pro sport to come out with them at more or less the same time. Then you'd have a mini critical mass.

If either of these two gets harassed to the point where they don't succeed it will actually be a setback.

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#18 Feb 24, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
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I think part of this is that even successful African Americans do not generally inhabit the same universe of expert guidance on how to pursue one's self interest as do successful white people in this society.
Collins had less to lose, being at the end of his career. The college player, although he was apparently out in college, doesn't seem to have concocted a comprehensive plan for dealing with any aftermath.(Of course I am convinced they are both sincere and brave on the politics of the matter.)
What they should have done is each find three or four others in their pro sport to come out with them at more or less the same time. Then you'd have a mini critical mass.
If either of these two gets harassed to the point where they don't succeed it will actually be a setback.
I sincerely hope that last part doesn't happen, but I suppose we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

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Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#19 Feb 24, 2014
I just read that Michael Sam's numbers aren't that good.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1971528-mi...

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Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#20 Feb 24, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
I just read that Michael Sam's numbers aren't that good.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1971528-mi...
Of course somebody is talking trash... I'll bet you the writer is a Republican!

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