Pastors Urged to Defy IRS to Defeat Evil, Hitlerian Obama

Oct 2, 2012 Full story: www.religiondispatches.org 148

Conservative evangelical leaders hope that 1,500 pastors will take part in “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” on October 7 and tell their congregants that they must vote against President Obama and other “unbiblical” candidates. Today, publisher Steven Strang, anti-gay activist Rev. Jim Garlow, and too-radical-for-John-McCain pastor John Hagee participated in a conference call designed to either shame or inspire more pastors to take part.

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“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#1 Oct 2, 2012
This is terrible ! Obama is NOT a "Hitlerian" ! He's a Stalinist !

Why can't people report these things accuately ?!
christina

Mesa, AZ

#2 Oct 2, 2012
Nothing like separation of church and state. Take tax exemption status away from these so-called churches. They wanna get involved in politics where they don't belong, let em pay taxes like the rest of us.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#3 Oct 2, 2012
Leftist thinking on this is out to lunch without wrappers.

The distortion of the Constitution and all founding thought lies in their stagnant, stubborn refusal to read the Constitution, which only says that the State shall not establish a religion. Religious people and churches can address anything they want. All Government and their police arms should get the hell out of trying to set church doctrine.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#4 Oct 2, 2012
3OHA wrote:
Leftist thinking on this is out to lunch without wrappers.
The distortion of the Constitution and all founding thought lies in their stagnant, stubborn refusal to read the Constitution, which only says that the State shall not establish a religion. Religious people and churches can address anything they want. All Government and their police arms should get the hell out of trying to set church doctrine.
I agree. If it were up to the Democrats and their fellow travellers, thwy would have shut the churches and thrown the clergy into prison for reading the Declartion Of Independence in the church to their parishoners in the 18th century..

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#6 Oct 3, 2012
3OHA wrote:
Leftist thinking on this is out to lunch without wrappers.
The distortion of the Constitution and all founding thought lies in their stagnant, stubborn refusal to read the Constitution, which only says that the State shall not establish a religion. Religious people and churches can address anything they want. All Government and their police arms should get the hell out of trying to set church doctrine.
If they want to talk politics, let them...but get rid of the tax exemptions and make them pay taxes like everyone else.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#7 Oct 3, 2012
christina wrote:
Nothing like separation of church and state. Take tax exemption status away from these so-called churches. They wanna get involved in politics where they don't belong, let em pay taxes like the rest of us.
Yup yup.
cjrian

Denver, CO

#8 Oct 3, 2012
christina wrote:
Nothing like separation of church and state. Take tax exemption status away from these so-called churches. They wanna get involved in politics where they don't belong, let em pay taxes like the rest of us.
The Constitutional (First Amendment) prohibition against the Federal Government getting involved in Religious affairs was just that - a limitation on GOVERNMENT, not on religion.

When Thomas wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 and spoke of a "wall of separation" between Church and State, he was speaking akin to a fence between neighbors. Neighbors still talk over the fence, and may have opinions of each other, but they don't try to run each others household(s).

The Obama administration has violated this Constitutional tenet by daring to deem what is, and is not, religious in nature. Obama was working up to this when he repeatedly spoke of "freedom of worship" and NOT Freedom of Religion. Obama is at fault - and is wrong. Not the Churches.

“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#9 Oct 3, 2012
cjrian wrote:
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The Constitutional (First Amendment) prohibition against the Federal Government getting involved in Religious affairs was just that - a limitation on GOVERNMENT, not on religion.
When Thomas wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 and spoke of a "wall of separation" between Church and State, he was speaking akin to a fence between neighbors. Neighbors still talk over the fence, and may have opinions of each other, but they don't try to run each others household(s).
The Obama administration has violated this Constitutional tenet by daring to deem what is, and is not, religious in nature. Obama was working up to this when he repeatedly spoke of "freedom of worship" and NOT Freedom of Religion. Obama is at fault - and is wrong. Not the Churches.
I agree. Well said !

The Obamaniac is a committed socialist who does NOT support the U.S. Constitution and the RIGHTS and LIBERTIES it protects.

The Obamaniac is Evil. PURE EVIL.

Since: Jan 08

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#10 Oct 3, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
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I agree. Well said !
The Obamaniac is a committed socialist who does NOT support the U.S. Constitution and the RIGHTS and LIBERTIES it protects.
The Obamaniac is Evil. PURE EVIL.
Wanna see evil? Then look in a mirror, jackass. The only thing in this election that's evil is you and people like you.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#12 Oct 3, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
This is terrible ! Obama is NOT a "Hitlerian" ! He's a Stalinist !
Why can't people report these things accuately ?!
It didn't take long for you to veer off the topics and back into your usual odd obsession with all things Obama, did it?

Different name. Same boring political attacks.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#13 Oct 3, 2012
Lacez wrote:
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If they want to talk politics, let them...but get rid of the tax exemptions and make them pay taxes like everyone else.
Taxes have already been paid on the money churches receive and they use that money for charitable outreach helping millions around the world. Charity from people through churches to benefit society should not be taxed.
Speedieg

Aurora, CO

#14 Oct 3, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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Taxes have already been paid on the money churches receive and they use that money for charitable outreach helping millions around the world. Charity from people through churches to benefit society should not be taxed.
. Churches own quite a bit of real estate that should be taxed. When churches start telling people in their congregations who to vote for they should be taxed. When churches start donating money to change public policy or deny people rights they should be taxed as they have become lobbyists not churches.

“Married 6/17/08”

Since: Feb 07

Porterville, CA

#15 Oct 3, 2012
IF these "pastors" violate the law they need to pay the price. Anybody want to bet that they will be "let off the hook" though?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#17 Oct 3, 2012
jcofe wrote:
IF these "pastors" violate the law they need to pay the price. Anybody want to bet that they will be "let off the hook" though?
On Oct. 2004 the sermon at All Saints' Episcopal in Pasadena, Calif. was a theoretical debate between Bush and Kerry, would Jesus vote for one or the other. It was aimed at Bush's illegal war and other issues. In June 2005 the IRS slapped All Saints with USC Section 501 (C)(3):
"Participation in, or intervention, in any public political campagin for public office" is forbidden.

They tried to yank All Saints tax free status. The Shiite hit the fan and they ended up NOT following through. Technically, the IRS was correct, but they fact that All Saints was singled out was iffy at best, plus public out-roar was off the charts, promising a long costly law suit for the organizations and government.

The whole matter was dropped in 2007. Now why should these yahoos think they are above the law now?
John E

Detroit, MI

#18 Oct 3, 2012
Tax Them Now!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#19 Oct 3, 2012
3OHA wrote:
Taxes have already been paid on the money churches receive and they use that money for charitable outreach helping millions around the world. Charity from people through churches to benefit society should not be taxed.
By that measure, taxes have already been paid on the money that you give to your local WalMart, gas station or liquor store, but that doesn't mean that you and they aren't going to be paying taxes on it again and depending on what you get for that money, paying taxes on it into the future. I agree with you, money spent on charitable purposes shouldn't be taxed, money spent on political purposes, however, is another matter entirely.

Since: Jul 12

Post Falls

#20 Oct 3, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
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I agree. Well said !
The Obamaniac is a committed socialist who does NOT support the U.S. Constitution and the RIGHTS and LIBERTIES it protects.
The Obamaniac is Evil. PURE EVIL.
People like the right-wing Republicans, and these churches actively oppose freedom and equality. People who are enemies of freedom, and equality deserve only death. Religion is not a free ticket to be a racist bigot, who is against equal rights, and the freedom of the non-religious.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#21 Oct 3, 2012
3OHA wrote:
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Taxes have already been paid on the money churches receive and they use that money for charitable outreach helping millions around the world. Charity from people through churches to benefit society should not be taxed.
You missed the point
.
The kind of 'churches' we're discussing wouldn't know a charity if it bit them on the humptybutt

Property tax on church buildings is paid by IRS taxpayers. In return; churches must stay out of politice
.
So here we have 1,500 'pastors' telling their congregations who to vote for president
.
So its time for us; the taxpayers; to stop paying their taxes for them

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

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#22 Oct 3, 2012
TucksunJack wrote:
This is terrible ! Obama is NOT a "Hitlerian" ! He's a Stalinist !
Why can't people report these things accuately ?!
Lol, you know it

“Stop the liberal madness”

Since: Sep 10

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#23 Oct 3, 2012
christina wrote:
Nothing like separation of church and state. Take tax exemption status away from these so-called churches. They wanna get involved in politics where they don't belong, let em pay taxes like the rest of us.
Muah muah muah, the Church is bad, muah muah muah Christians are mean, muah muah muah.

"let em pay taxes like the rest of us"

Pfffft, NOT GOING TO EVER HAPPEN.

We took up a collection at my church for Romney , Don't like it?

Go cry to Obama , lol.

Muah muah muah.

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