Anti-Gay Mass. Activist Warns Against...

Anti-Gay Mass. Activist Warns Against Repealing Jamaica's 'Buggery Law'

There are 25 comments on the EDGE story from Dec 31, 2013, titled Anti-Gay Mass. Activist Warns Against Repealing Jamaica's 'Buggery Law'. In it, EDGE reports that:

An anti-gay Massachusetts activist traveled to Jamaica this month to speak against the repeal of the island's sodomy prevision, saying it would lead to rampant sexually transmitted diseases.

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Christina

Mesa, AZ

#1 Dec 31, 2013
Well all know Christianity is worse than any STD out there

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2 Dec 31, 2013
Like the ban has kept STD's in check real well among heteros!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#3 Dec 31, 2013
Hey, you've got to blame someone [else], haven't you?
Christsharia Law

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Dec 31, 2013
So the anti gay activist apparently likes his men chocolate...at least once in awhile. To quibble about his personal preference would be racist.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5 Dec 31, 2013
Everybody knows that you already can't donate blood if you've even visited Jamaica in the past year, and it's been that way for going on two decades.
david traversa

Tucuman, Argentina

#6 Dec 31, 2013
A ( presumably ) straight man dares talk about sexually transmitted diseases ! Who's been transmitting them for thousands of years now .. and no apologies ? It's clear he very well knows the kind of primitive , ignorant crowd he addresses .. This and pedophilia are a bigot's favorite slurs .. both unsubstantiated and both active in digging their well-merited graves .

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#7 Dec 31, 2013
Here's a song by a famous Jamaican, dedicated to their gay community:

Since: Mar 09

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#8 Jan 1, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
Here's a song by a famous Jamaican, dedicated to their gay community:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Tg97JiBn1kEXX
Sorry Rosa, but protest politics don't work against a majority which is a hair trigger away from being a mob on the best of days.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#9 Jan 1, 2014
As their hate loses its place here in America, they take to exporting their vile, inhuman views. How horrible life must be for them, their whole lives revolve around hating others.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Jan 1, 2014
Ron431 wrote:
As their hate loses its place here in America, they take to exporting their vile, inhuman views. How horrible life must be for them, their whole lives revolve around hating others.
Oh no. They're "holy crusaders".
david traversa

Rosario, Argentina

#11 Jan 1, 2014
Ron431 wrote:
As their hate loses its place here in America, they take to exporting their vile, inhuman views. How horrible life must be for them, their whole lives revolve around hating others.
They don't have the capacity for much else ..

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#12 Jan 1, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Sorry Rosa, but protest politics don't work against a majority which is a hair trigger away from being a mob on the best of days.
I suppose not.
:-(

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#13 Jan 1, 2014
Ron431 wrote:
As their hate loses its place here in America, they take to exporting their vile, inhuman views. How horrible life must be for them, their whole lives revolve around hating others.
That's true. May their own hate be on their own heads - eventually.
Tony

Harlingen, TX

#14 Jan 3, 2014
Christians = hate? Let's see...

What group of people routinely risk life and limb volunteering as missionaries in impoverished, war-torn areas?

What group of people regularly give boxes of food, blankets, clothing, etc, to the homeless and poor?

What group of people regularly sponsors (funds) youth groups?

What group of people go on roadtrips to hurricane-savaged areas volunteer to rebuild homes?

What group of people volunteer in homeless shelters and soup kitchens almost daily?

I'll give you one hint as to WHO these people are, and it's sure not the gays.

But Christians are only about hate, right? I see.
Tony

Harlingen, TX

#15 Jan 3, 2014
Speaking of the 'anti-gay Mass. Activist'(Scott Lively), he preached the same message of caution (against the mainstreaming of homosexuality) to Uganda.

Uganda used to have the HIGHEST rates of H.I.V. in all of Africa. Then something took place in the 90's: Christian revival. After a few years, Uganda fell to the LOWEST rates of H.I.V. in that continent, mostly because men were committing themselves to women and family as per the dictates of Biblical marriage.

Jamaica is now being targeted because of it's Christian revival, and Scott Lively is now warning you of a looming threat of gay corruptors.

The U.S. State Dept, under the Direction of Barack Obama (long rumored to be gay himself), is spending thousands and thousands of dollars toward mainstreaming homosexuality in other nations - exporting America's brand of corruption to corrupt the hearts and minds of your precious children.

Don't stand by and allow this to happen!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#16 Jan 3, 2014
Tony wrote:
Speaking of the 'anti-gay Mass. Activist'(Scott Lively), he preached the same message of caution (against the mainstreaming of homosexuality) to Uganda.
Uganda used to have the HIGHEST rates of H.I.V. in all of Africa. Then something took place in the 90's: Christian revival. After a few years, Uganda fell to the LOWEST rates of H.I.V. in that continent, mostly because men were committing themselves to women and family as per the dictates of Biblical marriage.
Jamaica is now being targeted because of it's Christian revival, and Scott Lively is now warning you of a looming threat of gay corruptors.
The U.S. State Dept, under the Direction of Barack Obama (long rumored to be gay himself), is spending thousands and thousands of dollars toward mainstreaming homosexuality in other nations - exporting America's brand of corruption to corrupt the hearts and minds of your precious children.
Don't stand by and allow this to happen!
There are so many things wrong with this commen, it's hard to know where to begin.

Let's start with the idea of commitment and fidelity. This is hardly a Christian innovation. Promiscuity does, indeed, encourage STD's. Fidelity can stop them. Any concerted effort to encourage fidelity would have helped the situation.

The same message that worked for straights can and does work for gays: among monogamous HIV- couples, there is zero chance of spreading HIV. Even among monogamous HIV+ couples! therein zero chance of spreading the disease any further.

The supposedly Christian values taught by Lively hurt, rather than help, gays in Uganda. And they therefor harm families and society at large. Can there be any less Christ-like behavior?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#17 Jan 3, 2014
Tony wrote:
Christians = hate? Let's see...
Well, Tony, you've just provided an excellent example of tribalism, not love. It is true that many Christians sacrifice much to help others. But that is hardly an exclusively Christian behavior. The values have been taught by religious and secular philosophers since long before Jesus walked the earth.

Are there no gay people sacrificing to help others? Of course there are, some as part of Christian and other religious outreach efforts. Indeed, you will find gays are overrepresented in the "helping" professions.

Are Christians always motivated to selflessly help others? Of course not. Look at the wealth accumulated by televangelicals. They undoubtedly belive their preaching helps others. But they are no more motivated by good works than a movie actress or football player.

Even when motivated to do good, do Christians sometimes do harm instead? Of course. We all do. It is difficult to see that "good" from your viewpoint is not always good for others.

A good Christian would spend a lot more time listening to the needs of others than telling them what's good for them. There are too few good Christians. But there are many others who are just as good.
Tony

Harlingen, TX

#19 Jan 3, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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There are so many things wrong with this commen, it's hard to know where to begin.
Let's start with the idea of commitment and fidelity. This is hardly a Christian innovation. Promiscuity does, indeed, encourage STD's. Fidelity can stop them. Any concerted effort to encourage fidelity would have helped the situation.
The same message that worked for straights can and does work for gays: among monogamous HIV- couples, there is zero chance of spreading HIV. Even among monogamous HIV+ couples! therein zero chance of spreading the disease any further.
The supposedly Christian values taught by Lively hurt, rather than help, gays in Uganda. And they therefor harm families and society at large. Can there be any less Christ-like behavior?
Except that supposed celibate gay relationships are almost always open relationships, where both partners indulge in extra-marital flings. This is the norm in the homosexual community, but only the exception to the rule in straight relationships.

Gay relationships can't be modeled after, or compared to, straight relationships. Totally different dynamic.

Fidelity within gay relationships is almost nonexistent, and that's how they like it. This stuff about them striving for the same kind of relationships as straights is just a glorified falsehood.

Harry Hay, the "father of gay rights" made the comparisons of gays trying to emulate straight relationships as being like a prince trying to pull frog skin over himself to conform to social norms embraced by straights.

Hay opposed what he perceived as harmful assimilationist attitudes within the gay community. "We pulled ugly green frog skin of heterosexual conformity over us". "We know how to live through their eyes. We can always play their games, but are we denying ourselves by doing this? If you're going to carry the skin of conformity over you, you are going to suppress the beautiful prince or princess within you"

His analogy is alluding to gays denying themselves their chosen lifestyle in order to appear to conform to -or imitate- the same relationship values held sacred by straight families.

But they don't, you see. In print or within editorials? Oh, absolutely - in those portrayals, they're more down-home and domestically united than a Norman Rockwell depiction. Their activists only hope people wont scrutinize any further.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#20 Jan 3, 2014
Tony wrote:
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Except that supposed celibate gay relationships are almost always open relationships, where both partners indulge in extra-marital flings. This is the norm in the homosexual community, but only the exception to the rule in straight relationships.
Gay relationships can't be modeled after, or compared to, straight relationships. Totally different dynamic.
Fidelity within gay relationships is almost nonexistent, and that's how they like it. This stuff about them striving for the same kind of relationships as straights is just a glorified falsehood.
Harry Hay, the "father of gay rights" made the comparisons of gays trying to emulate straight relationships as being like a prince trying to pull frog skin over himself to conform to social norms embraced by straights.
Hay opposed what he perceived as harmful assimilationist attitudes within the gay community. "We pulled ugly green frog skin of heterosexual conformity over us". "We know how to live through their eyes. We can always play their games, but are we denying ourselves by doing this? If you're going to carry the skin of conformity over you, you are going to suppress the beautiful prince or princess within you"
His analogy is alluding to gays denying themselves their chosen lifestyle in order to appear to conform to -or imitate- the same relationship values held sacred by straight families.
But they don't, you see. In print or within editorials? Oh, absolutely - in those portrayals, they're more down-home and domestically united than a Norman Rockwell depiction. Their activists only hope people wont scrutinize any further.
Other than the mostly-irrelevant statements by Harry Hay, do you have any evidence of your claims? I'm willing to stipulate that gay culture--not lesbian--is more inclined to accept infidelity in relationships, but I am not willing to concede that it is the norm.

Keep in mind that Hay and his compatriots were radical agitators. Their attitudes never did reflect those of the community at large. Nevertheless, they were part of a marginalized community that was angry with the establishment. They were, indeed, inclined to reject the norms imposed by the society that had already rejected them.

Their attitudes did influence many who followed. There simply were no other role models for gay youth to measure themselves against.

Today, we are familiar with many stable gay relationships--Elton John and David Furnish, Representative Jared Polis and Marlon Reis, Chris Hughs and Sean Eldridge.

If you believe that promiscuity is a problem in the gay community, doesn't it make more sense to emphasize the value of fidelity within a monogamous marriage than to simply bar the door to the desired behavior?

Since: Mar 09

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#21 Jan 3, 2014
Tony wrote:
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Except that supposed celibate gay relationships are almost always open relationships, where both partners indulge in extra-marital flings. This is the norm in the homosexual community, but only the exception to the rule in straight relationships ...
You're kidding, right?

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