Argument against gay marriage in Cali...

Argument against gay marriage in California hinges on accidental pregnancies

There are 80 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Mar 4, 2013, titled Argument against gay marriage in California hinges on accidental pregnancies. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

In a brief filed with the Supreme Court last week, the Obama administration slammed the unusual legal argument now key in the movement against gay marriage: that gay couples cannot become accidentally pregnant and thus do not need access to marriage.

The argument has become the centerpiece of two major cases addressing gay marriage that the Supreme Court will consider at the end of March, Hollingsworth v. Perry, a challenge to California’s gay marriage ban, and United States v. Windsor, which seeks to overturn the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

"Only a man and a woman can beget a child together without advance planning, which means that opposite-sex couples have a unique tendency to produce unplanned and unintended offspring," wrote Paul Clement, a prominent attorney representing congressional Republicans in the DOMA case.

Clement added in his brief to the Supreme Court arguing to uphold that law that the government has a legitimate interest in solely recognizing marriages between men and women because it encourages them to form stable family units. "Because same-sex relationships cannot naturally produce offspring, they do not implicate the State’s interest in responsible procreation and childrearing in the same way that opposite-sex relationships do," attorneys who are seeking to uphold Proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California in 2008, argued in their brief. The opponents to gay marriage also argue it's possible the public perception of marriage would change if gay couples were allowed to wed, discouraging straight people from marrying.

In the administration's friend of the court brief, the Justice Department took a dim view of the argument. "Marriage is far more than a societal means of dealing with unintended pregnancies," the Justice Department wrote. The brief also argued that preventing gay couples from marrying would not help or hurt the quest to encourage straight couples to marry when they have children.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#96 Mar 5, 2013
Dubya wrote:
Scalia needs to reuse himself. Go to the site below to sign petition!
http://www.change.org/petitions/chief-justice...
Thailand ?!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#97 Mar 5, 2013
I don't agree with the wording or reasoning of the petition so I can't sign it.

Should he recuse himself? Probably.
Some Never Came Home

Sacramento, CA

#98 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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So post #81 was supposed to be civil Uve?
And this post of yours is the exception and not the rule as to what you usually post! Standard fare for you is some of the most hateful off topic bigoted UNTRUE slime that I've ever seen anybody post on TOPIX! So pot meet kettle and how about you now STFU you lying despicable POS! The funnest thing of all is that you claim to be a Christian! LoL,I wonder what Jesus would think and say reading your posts? What a phony hypocrite! Are you racist also? I have a feeling the answer is yes! Tell us loser what did Jesus say about gays anyway? Could it be absolutely nothing?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#99 Mar 6, 2013
And all that has to do with

"Argument against gay marriage in California hinges on accidental pregnancies"

HOW, exactly?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#100 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Believe it or not for as long as this has been legal here I have heard of few ss marriages in Berserkshire County, MA. This is all a bunch of hot air and voter fraud. In fact the biggest news was about four years ago when a lesbian tried to 'forcibly' impregnate here 'companion' with a turkey baster full of her brothers sperm. Perfectly normal behavior, Sugarbush.
Gobble Gobble Gobble!
Because what you personally "heard of" really matters. LOL.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#101 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Probably because I haven't heard any of my arguments heard in court.
California is not one to be expected to render a decision based on common sense, public health, or morality, stinky.
Goodbye Rome
You are so stupid (and so biased you can't even see reality anymore.)

Common sense: all men are created equal.
Public health: gay marriage obviously promotes monogamy wich obviously reduces STD's.
Morality: being gay is morally neutral, like being left-handed (which was also once a point of discrimination and ignorant misunderstanding.)

Wake up, little Susie.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#102 Mar 6, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Because what you personally "heard of" really matters. LOL.
The night before the vote in Maine last November, I was in the hotel bar with a couple of traveling businessmen. Although they couldn't vote in Maine, they were supportive. A black man explained his position like this:

"Who got married last weekend?". Nobody in the bar said anything. "Didn't anyone get married last weekend?". Somebody finally volunteered that there were probably a lot of weddings over the weekend. And he pointed out that almost no one cares about a wedding unless they're invited.

So it's no surprise that the guy with smoosh on his lips doesn't know any couples who got married. Why would he be invited?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#103 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Why am I screwed? I have a loving wife and beautiful children. "Normal children"
Going forward society is screwed cus we are taking on more 'debt' because of so called ss marriage. Population numbers and our future are truly in grave danger. Anyone thinking otherwise is either foolish, narcissist, greedy, ignorant, uneducated, or all of the above.
Goodbye Rome
Anyone who puts a price on freedom and equality is unAmerican.

IF there were any additional debt incurred, that doesn't outweigh our rights or anyone else's rights. You're going to spend a lot more on immigration, unwanted children of heterosexuals, and a bazillion other things. That's a piss poor argument. "We can't afford equality." Really?

And where are you getting all these imaginary added expenses? There is a very small percentage of gay people in this country, and an even smaller percentage who will get married. Of those, probably a large percentage are already either married in some way or living together for many years.

I, for example, am already on my spouse's health insurance policy. That's not free. I pay just over $250 per month for that. But what I could get as a self-employed individual would cost more and offer less, so for many years I went without insurance and just paid my way. It was a gamble that mostly worked.

Legalizing my already existing marriage will not change that. However it will save us from the expense of attorneys doing pointless paperwork to provide the structure marriage already provides (re: hospitalization, death, etc.)

Now, I say it mostly worked but not always. In 2005 I had a pretty severe back injury from loading 50 pound boxes of inventory into my truck and twisting the wrong way on one of them. I was flat on the floor for two full months - no exaggeration, could not get up, extremely painful to move. I spent the days trying not to have to pee (into a bottle) because as soon as I moved just a little, I'd be in crazy pain for hours and hours.

A friend of mine had the presence of mind to call the County, which first denied me any help because my income history was too high. I clearly made the case that my income had completely ceased, so they could either come back in 3 months and help me then, when everything would be worse, or they could help me now. They basically gave me almost-free care for 30 days. THAT directly cost the taxpayers money. Today, that would not - BECAUSE I am married.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#104 Mar 6, 2013
Happy Anniversary 1913 wrote:
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Pot meet kettle uve.
How's that popuation argument comin out?
Wow, you're really good at misapplying references.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#105 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Natural Law suggests that since you engage in such behaviors that you do not champion such fine virtues of your own father and mother. Millions of years have passed and nature still says no but of course here in America we have set a terrible example by not respecting the powers and forces of nature and the laws that she commands and so we all suffer for the vice, greed, and excesses of the many. I at one time was no different and I still suffer.
It is time to change, immensely.
Oh man, this is too easy. Stupid, stupid.

1. "Natural Law" suggests no such thing.
2. "Nature" doesn't "say no," it produces gay people consistently over millions of years (and animals, for that matter.)
3. I have no vices, greed, or excesses.
4. You were some kind of addict. I never was. You had to change. I don't. You were the mess and the drag on society, not I. You had to learn those lessons, I was born with a more effective conscience, better parenting, and a closer relationship to God. You were a loser who had to "change immensely." Don't project that on others in some grand lame copout.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#106 Mar 6, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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I wasn't assuming anything. I was making an assertion that supporting something so preposterous as ss parenting, let alone unions, is abrogating your own parents original intentions. Championing the continuation of you, the bloodline, the lifeline.
And you were wrong. It is honoring them.

In fact, I didn't get married until I was 35 years old because I wasn't going to be like most stupid straight people who just get married because they think they're supposed to now.

My best example of a good marriage was my Grandparents' marriage. I would not settle for anything less than that. My spouse and I get along as well as they get along. They both love(d) him from day one.(Grandpa passed a couple of years ago.) Unlike my cousins, I could not get married without my (housebound) Grandma there, so we picked up the Reverend early on our wedding day, went to Grandma's house first, and really got married there with her. Unbeknownst to our guests, we were just going through the motions at the hall, but were already married.

My Dad passed in 1992, but my Mom danced the traditional mother/son dance with me at the reception.

My brother was my best man, and I was his. Sadly, he left his wife of six years, 3 year old son, and 1 year old son because he "wasn't happy" and took up with some ho at work.

He is no longer talking to me because I told him to take responsibility for his life via committing to a certain amount of time in counseling (3 months/6 months) to give his family a fair shot first. Nobody was abusive, cheating, or on drugs. It could have been worked out. I thought he owed it to his wife, his kids, and his marriage. He surprised the hell out of me because I always thought he was a good kid. But he just left them, no respect for marriage. I told him he was a cliche.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#107 Mar 6, 2013
s/b 3 year old son and 1 year old daughter.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#109 Mar 6, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Thailand ?!
Oh, FaFooey, aren't you wise by now about the one or two folks who think it cute to live on a constant "It's a Small World" ride at Disneyland and pretend to be in different countries all day long here on Topix, while using more names than one of the British Royals?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#110 Mar 6, 2013
Jake wrote:
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Are you a queer?
If he is lucky, yes, he is.

Are you a LIAR? That would be a yes.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#111 Mar 6, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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And you were wrong. It is honoring them.
In fact, I didn't get married until I was 35 years old because I wasn't going to be like most stupid straight people who just get married because they think they're supposed to now.
My best example of a good marriage was my Grandparents' marriage. I would not settle for anything less than that. My spouse and I get along as well as they get along. They both love(d) him from day one.(Grandpa passed a couple of years ago.) Unlike my cousins, I could not get married without my (housebound) Grandma there, so we picked up the Reverend early on our wedding day, went to Grandma's house first, and really got married there with her. Unbeknownst to our guests, we were just going through the motions at the hall, but were already married.
My Dad passed in 1992, but my Mom danced the traditional mother/son dance with me at the reception.
My brother was my best man, and I was his. Sadly, he left his wife of six years, 3 year old son, and 1 year old son because he "wasn't happy" and took up with some ho at work.
He is no longer talking to me because I told him to take responsibility for his life via committing to a certain amount of time in counseling (3 months/6 months) to give his family a fair shot first. Nobody was abusive, cheating, or on drugs. It could have been worked out. I thought he owed it to his wife, his kids, and his marriage. He surprised the hell out of me because I always thought he was a good kid. But he just left them, no respect for marriage. I told him he was a cliche.
Your post says all we need to know. Straights use marriage the way they use a take out container for fast food. as soon as they are done with it, they toss it aside and go on to another one.

They scream and wail about "the sanctity of the marriage vows!" and how gay marriage will somehow damage their god given rites, yet, 50% of marriages end in divorce.

Their hypocrisy is off the charts.

Bless you and your family.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#112 Mar 6, 2013
Dubya has consistently posted from Thailand. I have assumed he's an expatriate.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#114 Mar 6, 2013
Jake wrote:
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Are you a queer?
That pickup line really doesn't go over well. You would get more dates if you offer to take them out for dinner at a nice restaurant, maybe go to a movie.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#116 Mar 6, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
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That pickup line really doesn't go over well. You would get more dates if you offer to take them out for dinner at a nice restaurant, maybe go to a movie.
I think his idea of a nice restaurant would be Chick-fil-a and than a flick at the dirty bookstore

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#117 Mar 6, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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I think his idea of a nice restaurant would be Chick-fil-a and than a flick at the dirty bookstore
Then he should be able to pick up precisely his sort of person -- someone who is firmly closeted and self-loathing.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#118 Mar 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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The night before the vote in Maine last November, I was in the hotel bar with a couple of traveling businessmen. Although they couldn't vote in Maine, they were supportive. A black man explained his position like this:
"Who got married last weekend?". Nobody in the bar said anything. "Didn't anyone get married last weekend?". Somebody finally volunteered that there were probably a lot of weddings over the weekend. And he pointed out that almost no one cares about a wedding unless they're invited.
So it's no surprise that the guy with smoosh on his lips doesn't know any couples who got married. Why would he be invited?
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THAT is an excellent commercial, right there.

Send that to the HRC ... NOW !!!

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