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Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage

There are 1876 comments on the Fox News story from May 14, 2013, titled Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage. In it, Fox News reports that:

As a crowd of thousands roared from the lawn of the state Capitol, Minnesota Gov.

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“Equality First”

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#1661 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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RalphB - The legalization of same-sex marriage has broader legal and social implications that not only affect monogamous homosexual couples.
For this reason, Justice Sotomayor (an Obama appointee) asked Ted Olson, the lawyer urging the Supreme court to invalidate California’s Proposition 8 defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman,“If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?” If the Constitution won’t permit marriage to be limited to spouses of the opposite sex, then how can it allow “state restrictions with respect to the number of people ... that could get married” or “the incest laws?” Presumably states would still be free to ban child marriages, she said, but other than that,“what’s left?”
In other words, if it’s arbitrary and unjust to forbid same-sex marriage, isn’t it just as arbitrary and unjust to forbid plural marriage? Or sibling marriage? Once the right to “marriage equality” is enshrined in law, how could any union of consenting adults be denied a marriage license, regardless of traditional norms or definitions?(Jeff Jacoby, the Boston Globe)
Source: < http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/05/29... ;
As I have said before, poly marriages have nothing in common with the fight for same-sex couples to be married. Completely different arguments. And, as I have said before, I don't believe you truly are interested in poly marriage anyway, except to use it for arguments' sake. If you were, you wouldn't be wasting your time on a G & L forum discussing it. So rather than allow you to waste any more of my time, I will just ignore you, until and unless you actually come back to the topic of this thread. And by the way, Sotomayor asking a question does not indicate her view one way or the other. She knew that some folks hold views like you,so she was giving the lawyer an opening to dis-spell the notion. And the answer is "state interest".

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1662 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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While it's convenient to compare the same-sex marriage movement with the racial rights movement, it's simply not a valid comparison because there are far too many significant differences. For instance, homosexuals' descendants were never forced into slavery, categorized by anthropologists and governments as a sub-human species; homosexuals have never been systematically or institutionally segregated, deprived of housing, employment or educational opportunities, persecuted by the police, forced to drink from different water fountains etc.
Many people of color, in particular African Americans, are offended by the outrageous claim that the same-sex marriage movement is in par with the racial rights movement because the differences are significant and innumerable. Secondarily, they’re incomparable because, to quote General Colin Powell,“skin color is a benign, non-behavioral characteristic. Sexual orientation is perhaps the most profound of all behavioral characteristics. Comparison of the two is a convenient but invalid argument.”(Source: Colin Powell, My American Journey, 1995, p. 533)
To date, nonpartisan scientists have yet to prove that homosexuality is an innate biological condition. And even if it was, it's not an outwardly visible characteristic such as color, gender, age etc.
If homosexuals are really suffering systemic discrimination and oppression, comparable to the African-Americans plight of the past, then explain why American gay couples are far more likely to be highly educated and higher-income?(Kurtzleben, US News, March 2013) Does that sound like a demographic that’s being systemically oppressed? Moreover, how can this systemically “oppressed” group exert enormous political power disproportionate to their numbers?
Personally, I think it’s quite intellectually dishonest and shameful to compare the same-sex marriage movement with the racial rights movement.
Source: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/0...
ummmm...racial rights did not just involve africans...

in fact, many homosexuals have been denied housing, jobs and were persecuted by police.

you really should check your facts before making a bigger ass of yourself.

Since: Aug 11

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#1663 Jun 22, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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As I have said before, poly marriages have nothing in common with the fight for same-sex couples to be married. Completely different arguments. And, as I have said before, I don't believe you truly are interested in poly marriage anyway, except to use it for arguments' sake. If you were, you wouldn't be wasting your time on a G & L forum discussing it. So rather than allow you to waste any more of my time, I will just ignore you, until and unless you actually come back to the topic of this thread. And by the way, Sotomayor asking a question does not indicate her view one way or the other. She knew that some folks hold views like you,so she was giving the lawyer an opening to dis-spell the notion. And the answer is "state interest".
Exactly. The question and answer becomes part of the legal brief. Of interest is the compelling state interest issue. The slaughter- house cases involving the City of New Orleans sheds light on this issue. It may be of interest too you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter-House_...
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#1664 Jun 22, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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How do we know that Dr. King would not have changed his mind had he lived? We don't and to make a claim like you did is wrong!!!
Martin Luther King Jr. was an honorable and exceptional human being who was motivated to do God’s will and pursue righteousness instead of money, power, prestige and other worldly or temporal things. He was a man of principle, who was not swayed by social pressures or popular opinion. Dr. King’s courage to fight for morality, even when it was unpopular and jeopardized his life, explains why he is specially honored to this day, on the third Monday in January, and not Coretta Scott King or any former president of the NAACP.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#1665 Jun 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummmm...racial rights did not just involve africans...
in fact, many homosexuals have been denied housing, jobs and were persecuted by police.
you really should check your facts before making a bigger ass of yourself.
Hey woodtick57 - Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you can’t win an argument by name calling? I suspect crude profanity and childish name calling are your means of expressing frustration over not being able to come up with an intellectual and substantive counter-argument.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#1666 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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Martin Luther King Jr. was an honorable and exceptional human being who was motivated to do God’s will and pursue righteousness instead of money, power, prestige and other worldly or temporal things. He was a man of principle, who was not swayed by social pressures or popular opinion. Dr. King’s courage to fight for morality, even when it was unpopular and jeopardized his life, explains why he is specially honored to this day, on the third Monday in January, and not Coretta Scott King or any former president of the NAACP.
Dr. King would have still been an Honorable man had he stood up for the GLBTQI Community.......again, you have no idea what his opinion was on the subject back then or if it might have changed......and if his wife had any influence in his life......maybe she could have caused him to change or grow......today, not all African-Americans oppose Gays and Lesbians.......so anything is possible.....and to continue on like you are is nothing more that stupidity showing on your part!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#1667 Jun 22, 2013
Should be THAN....not that!!!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1668 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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Hey woodtick57 - Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you can’t win an argument by name calling? I suspect crude profanity and childish name calling are your means of expressing frustration over not being able to come up with an intellectual and substantive counter-argument.
you have yet to provide an argument. you put out a string of nonfactual material...
The Coal Handlers Son

United States

#1669 Jun 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>those 'girls' sure seemed to put you in your place! and so did i.

why can't you counter any of the facts provided to you?

i seems you aren't really up to the level of intelligent debate...
It takes alot if intelligence to Google of bunch of crap! Try again Wood prick!

“"And Stay Off"”

Since: May 12

Tempe Arizona

#1670 Jun 22, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
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It takes alot if intelligence to Google of bunch of crap! Try again Wood prick!
And the retard who rides the short bus chimes in with nothing intelligent as usual! Just because he makes you out as the fool that you are,don't take it out on him! It is you who is the resident imbecile! Now git off my lawn retard!
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#1671 Jun 22, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Dr. King would have still been an Honorable man had he stood up for the GLBTQI Community.......again, you have no idea what his opinion was on the subject back then or if it might have changed......and if his wife had any influence in his life......maybe she could have caused him to change or grow......today, not all African-Americans oppose Gays and Lesbians.......so anything is possible.....and to continue on like you are is nothing more that stupidity showing on your part!!!
Martin Luther King, Jr. was a devout American Baptist minister. According to the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the world's largest Baptist denomination with 16 million members as of 2012: "We affirm God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy – one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a ‘valid alternative lifestyle.’ The Bible condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ." Source: < http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/pssexuality.asp> ;

The fact that Dr. King was a Baptist minister, and American Baptists do not officially support same-sex marriage, provides compelling reason to believe this American hero would not have supported non-traditional marriage.

Furthermore in 2009, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which was founded and lead by Dr. King from 1957 to 1968, threatened to fire the former president of its Los Angeles division, Rev. Eric P. Lee, for advocating against California Proposition 8(Steinhauer, New York Times July 10, 2009) Source < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/us/11gay.ht... ;
That action reveals SCLC’s stance on same-sex marriage.

Personally, I don't think Coretta King could have persuaded Dr. King to go against God's will because he was far too wise, morally convicted, and honorable.
Some Never Came Home

Tempe, AZ

#1672 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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Martin Luther King, Jr. was a devout American Baptist minister. According to the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the world's largest Baptist denomination with 16 million members as of 2012: "We affirm God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy – one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a ‘valid alternative lifestyle.’ The Bible condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ." Source: < http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/pssexuality.asp> ;
The fact that Dr. King was a Baptist minister, and American Baptists do not officially support same-sex marriage, provides compelling reason to believe this American hero would not have supported non-traditional marriage.
Furthermore in 2009, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which was founded and lead by Dr. King from 1957 to 1968, threatened to fire the former president of its Los Angeles division, Rev. Eric P. Lee, for advocating against California Proposition 8(Steinhauer, New York Times July 10, 2009) Source < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/us/11gay.ht... ;
That action reveals SCLC’s stance on same-sex marriage.
Personally, I don't think Coretta King could have persuaded Dr. King to go against God's will because he was far too wise, morally convicted, and honorable.
I guess you're still unaware that the majority of Americans now support marriage equality! So I guess a lot of decent honorable people have changed their opinion on the subject! So if you're in favor of equality you are not an honorable or decent person? Try again,you're simply full of it!
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#1673 Jun 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummmm...racial rights did not just involve africans...
in fact, many homosexuals have been denied housing, jobs and were persecuted by police.
you really should check your facts before making a bigger ass of yourself.
Woodtick57- Notice I said homosexuals have never been SYSTEMATICALLY OR INSTITUTIONALLY segregated, deprived of housing, employment or educational opportunities, persecuted by the police, forced to drink from different water fountains etc.

I'm sure gays have been unfairly discriminated, but discrimination against gays has not been enshrined in laws that parallel the racist Jim Crow Laws.

Do you understand the difference between social and institutional discrimination?
The Coal Handlers Son

Commiskey, IN

#1674 Jun 22, 2013
You Kids Get Off My Lawn wrote:
<quoted text>And the retard who rides the short bus chimes in with nothing intelligent as usual! Just because he makes you out as the fool that you are,don't take it out on him! It is you who is the resident imbecile! Now git off my lawn retard!
Ahhhhhhhh did I make fun of your butt buddy??? Get your panties all bunched up!! Boohoo!
The Coal Handlers Son

Commiskey, IN

#1675 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>Martin Luther King, Jr. was a devout American Baptist minister. According to the official website of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the world's largest Baptist denomination with 16 million members as of 2012: "We affirm God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy – one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a ‘valid alternative lifestyle.’ The Bible condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ." Source: < http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/pssexuality.asp> ;

The fact that Dr. King was a Baptist minister, and American Baptists do not officially support same-sex marriage, provides compelling reason to believe this American hero would not have supported non-traditional marriage.

Furthermore in 2009, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which was founded and lead by Dr. King from 1957 to 1968, threatened to fire the former president of its Los Angeles division, Rev. Eric P. Lee, for advocating against California Proposition 8(Steinhauer, New York Times July 10, 2009) Source < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/us/11gay.ht... ;
That action reveals SCLC’s stance on same-sex marriage.

Personally, I don't think Coretta King could have persuaded Dr. King to go against God's will because he was far too wise, morally convicted, and honorable.
I respect your stand on this forum ,but these Rump Rangers won't listen to any kind of valid argument that in any way is against their "right" to marry. You might as well save your time and let these ladies bicker among themselves.
Fearless Contrarian

Saint Paul, MN

#1676 Jun 22, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
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I respect your stand on this forum ,but these Rump Rangers won't listen to any kind of valid argument that in any way is against their "right" to marry. You might as well save your time and let these ladies bicker among themselves.
Thanks Coal Handlers Son. I'm not sure why none of the same-sex marriage proponents have ventured to answer the following questions:

If homosexuals are really suffering systemic discrimination and oppression, comparable to the African-Americans plight of the past, then explain why American gay couples are far more likely to be highly educated and higher-income?(Kurtzleben, US News, March 2013) Does that sound like a demographic that’s being systemically oppressed? Moreover, how can this systemically “oppressed” group exert enormous political power disproportionate to their numbers?

Source: < http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/0... ;

I'm still waiting for wood ticks’ asinine response!
The Coal Handlers Son

Commiskey, IN

#1677 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks Coal Handlers Son. I'm not sure why none of the same-sex marriage proponents have ventured to answer the following questions:

If homosexuals are really suffering systemic discrimination and oppression, comparable to the African-Americans plight of the past, then explain why American gay couples are far more likely to be highly educated and higher-income?(Kurtzleben, US News, March 2013) Does that sound like a demographic that’s being systemically oppressed? Moreover, how can this systemically “oppressed” group exert enormous political power disproportionate to their numbers?

Source: < http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/0... ;

I'm still waiting for wood ticks’ asinine response!
I give up trying to explain this a while ago. In the United States a gay man has ALOT more rights in the workplace than I do, a white heterosexual male. They can play the gay card! I have nothing! Now who's "oppressed ?"
I'm sick and F-ing tired of hearing these queens complain! Gays already have it made in this country and now they want more! I want Wood Prick to explain this one to me I'm sure it will be interesting!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1678 Jun 22, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
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It takes alot if intelligence to Google of bunch of crap! Try again Wood prick!
thanx. it is always nice when people prove my point for me, like you just did...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1679 Jun 22, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
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I give up trying to explain this a while ago. In the United States a gay man has ALOT more rights in the workplace than I do, a white heterosexual male. They can play the gay card! I have nothing! Now who's "oppressed ?"
I'm sick and F-ing tired of hearing these queens complain! Gays already have it made in this country and now they want more! I want Wood Prick to explain this one to me I'm sure it will be interesting!
easy to explain. you are full of shit. your statement is completely false, lacking any factual basis whatsoever.

i would love to see you provide the teensiest shred of proof that what you said is true. this should be funny to watch...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1680 Jun 22, 2013
Fearless Contrarian wrote:
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Thanks Coal Handlers Son. I'm not sure why none of the same-sex marriage proponents have ventured to answer the following questions:
If homosexuals are really suffering systemic discrimination and oppression, comparable to the African-Americans plight of the past, then explain why American gay couples are far more likely to be highly educated and higher-income?(Kurtzleben, US News, March 2013) Does that sound like a demographic that’s being systemically oppressed? Moreover, how can this systemically “oppressed” group exert enormous political power disproportionate to their numbers?
Source: < http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/0... ;
I'm still waiting for wood ticks’ asinine response!
because they have the support of their friends and family.

you're not very bright, are you?

i think there is a kids version of Topix where they discuss tough issues like which dinosaur was the coolest...perhaps you should give that a try for you level of 'intelligent discussion'...sheesh!

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