Church firing stirs up controversy ov...

Church firing stirs up controversy over same-sex marriage

There are 52 comments on the Ledger-Enquirer.com story from Aug 15, 2014, titled Church firing stirs up controversy over same-sex marriage. In it, Ledger-Enquirer.com reports that:

As other parishioners looked on, a cantor announced his resignation from the choir, citing other prominent "sinners" in Christian history who retained high-ranking positions and questioning why a gay couple's marriage is any different.

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Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#1 Aug 15, 2014
'Whoever made the decision, it was a bad decision," said Bob Garbacz, of Schaumburg, a Holy Family member who was among hundreds who attended the meeting in support of the music director. "He's just a pillar of that community. For the church to say you can't be here because of this rule is ludicrous to us."'

Being a Roman Catholic is a bad decision. There are several split-off groups which have essentially the same theology without the sexism and homophobia. These folks who don't like Rome would be wise to investigate them.
Catholic League o Duncecy

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Aug 15, 2014
When a denomination or sect is too backwards and bigoted for its own rank and file....
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#3 Aug 15, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
Being a Roman Catholic is a bad decision.
In almost all cases you don't get to decide so it really isn't a decision. If your parents are Catholic you are raised as a Catholic. It is part of your family and your upbringing. Same for the other religions.

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#4 Aug 15, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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In almost all cases you don't get to decide so it really isn't a decision. If your parents are Catholic you are raised as a Catholic. It is part of your family and your upbringing. Same for the other religions.
You don't give the church any credit at all for evangelism, do you? There are lots of people who have "chosen" to become Catholic. So your "almost all" is a bit of over-reaching. Not to mention the folks who refuse to quit, even tho they may not agree with the church on issues like contraception.
Catholic League o Duncecy

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Aug 15, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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In almost all cases you don't get to decide so it really isn't a decision. If your parents are Catholic you are raised as a Catholic. It is part of your family and your upbringing. Same for the other religions.
We understand you are arguing it's inbred...in your case it is, even though you refuse to discuss your exact (sick) "religious" beliefs.

Now run along and get those Attorneys General to enforce those unconstitutional laws like you think they should, Cletus.
Catholic League o Duncecy

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Aug 15, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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You don't give the church any credit at all for evangelism, do you? There are lots of people who have "chosen" to become Catholic.
He's lying. He know he's lying.

But good explanation in calling him out on his lying bigotry in this context, also.

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#7 Aug 15, 2014
Catholic League o Duncecy wrote:
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He's lying. He know he's lying.
But good explanation in calling him out on his lying bigotry in this context, also.
I try. Thanks.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

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#8 Aug 15, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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In almost all cases you don't get to decide so it really isn't a decision. If your parents are Catholic you are raised as a Catholic. It is part of your family and your upbringing. Same for the other religions.
To the extent that religious indoctrination at a young age (usually from birth) is the primary mechanism for maintaining any longstanding superstition and myth, there is a degree of merit to your observation. However, as can be readily seen by the growing numbers of people choosing to leave myth (so-called "faith") communities, people can and do make that decision all the time. I know; I am one of them.

All people are born atheists. Myths have to be taught. But many -- perhaps most -- atheists were not born into atheist families, since the vast majority of people claim some myth belief. They are born into myth communities. Most atheists decide at some point to abandon belief in myth and decide to rely on reason over revelation.

The real question for sexual minorities isn't to ask "Which church?" The real question should be "Why church, or gods, at all?"
Former MB Shopper

Tyngsboro, MA

#9 Aug 16, 2014
Jerald wrote:
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To the extent that religious indoctrination at a young age (usually from birth) is the primary mechanism for maintaining any longstanding superstition and myth, there is a degree of merit to your observation. However, as can be readily seen by the growing numbers of people choosing to leave myth (so-called "faith") communities, people can and do make that decision all the time. I know; I am one of them.
All people are born atheists. Myths have to be taught. But many -- perhaps most -- atheists were not born into atheist families, since the vast majority of people claim some myth belief. They are born into myth communities. Most atheists decide at some point to abandon belief in myth and decide to rely on reason over revelation.
The real question for sexual minorities isn't to ask "Which church?" The real question should be "Why church, or gods, at all?"
Your opinion of religion and those who practice it aside, the difference between " religious indoctrination" and homosexual indoctrination beginning in public school kindergartens is that one is a choice parents make, one is attempted to being forced on parents. I support the freedom to choose.
Maggie Gallaghers Schmear

Philadelphia, PA

#10 Aug 16, 2014
Former MB Shopper wrote:
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Your opinion of religion and those who practice it aside, the difference between " religious indoctrination" and homosexual indoctrination beginning in public school kindergartens is that one is a choice parents make, one is attempted to being forced on parents. I support the freedom to choose.
You're a mentally ill bigot is all.

We don't allow anti Catholic bigotry in public schools. We're getting better at not allowing anti gay bigotry in public schools.

Being an anti Catholic bigot or an anti gay bigot is not part of someone's "religious freedom" in places of public accommodation, even though one's "religious" beliefs might indicate that being Catholic or being homosexual (or being both, as in the hierarchy) is "wrong."

Or if such bigoted beliefs are going to be considered part of "religious freedoms," then a while Pandora's Box opens up.

“Post-religious”

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#11 Aug 20, 2014
Former MB Shopper wrote:
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Your opinion of religion and those who practice it aside, the difference between " religious indoctrination" and homosexual indoctrination beginning in public school kindergartens is that one is a choice parents make, one is attempted to being forced on parents. I support the freedom to choose.
The problem with your comparison is that religion is a myth that one can choose to believe in. Being gay or lesbian is not. The former requires indoctrination; the latter does not.

You support the "freedom" to be a bigot, and indoctrinate others in your ignorance.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#12 Aug 20, 2014
Jerald wrote:
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The problem with your comparison is that religion is a myth that one can choose to believe in. Being gay or lesbian is not. The former requires indoctrination; the latter does not.
You support the "freedom" to be a bigot, and indoctrinate others in your ignorance.
Didn't you say religion is a choice? I believe you did, so where is the indoctrination?
It is the latter that gay activists/supporters are attempting to force on other people's kids.

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Since: Apr 08

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#13 Aug 20, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Didn't you say religion is a choice? I believe you did, so where is the indoctrination?
It is the latter that gay activists/supporters are attempting to force on other people's kids.
Of course religion is a choice. I chose to give up belief in religious superstition, but only after overcoming early indoctrination from parents, church, and religious schooling, and then years of cultural messages that affirm religious superstition. I could have chose to switch to another church or belief system, but I chose not to.

I did not choose to be gay, and nobody is forcing other people's kids to be gay, either in schools or elsewhere. That's conservative claptrap, and your offering it as a claim says a lot about your ignorance and bigotry.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#14 Aug 20, 2014
Jerald wrote:
I did not choose to be gay, and nobody is forcing other people's kids to be gay, either in schools or elsewhere.
I didn't say that. That says a lot about your reading capabilities. What they are attempting to do is get 4 and 5 and 6 year old kids to believe that being gay is normal and just fine. They want to do this against the wishes of parents, in fact, they prefer that parents don't know what's going on.

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#15 Aug 20, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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I didn't say that. That says a lot about your reading capabilities. What they are attempting to do is get 4 and 5 and 6 year old kids to believe that being gay is normal and just fine. They want to do this against the wishes of parents, in fact, they prefer that parents don't know what's going on.
Being gay is normal and fine. If parents want to continue to believe irrational nonsense like the kind that you're spouting here, that's your problem.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#16 Aug 21, 2014
Jerald wrote:
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Being gay is normal and fine. If parents want to continue to believe irrational nonsense like the kind that you're spouting here, that's your problem.
"Being gay is normal and fine." Only if you're gay. To a straight person, it is irrational nonsense.

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#17 Aug 21, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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"Being gay is normal and fine." Only if you're gay. To a straight person, it is irrational nonsense.
Well, here's where you're just plain wrong. It's not "only if you're gay"; most straight people understand that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual expression. Among Americans and most of the rest of the educated world, attitudes have shifted away from yours and towards acceptance of homosexuality and normal and fine.

Of course, you know that intellectually; it's just that you're too committed to your position that you'll ignore all evidence to the contrary. Such a sad little life you must live to feel the need to go on gay and lesbian discussion boards and write the blatantly ignorant things you write.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#18 Aug 22, 2014
Jerald wrote:
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Well, here's where you're just plain wrong. It's not "only if you're gay"; most straight people understand that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual expression. Among Americans and most of the rest of the educated world, attitudes have shifted away from yours and towards acceptance of homosexuality and normal and fine.
Of course, you know that intellectually; it's just that you're too committed to your position that you'll ignore all evidence to the contrary. Such a sad little life you must live to feel the need to go on gay and lesbian discussion boards and write the blatantly ignorant things you write.
You are wrong. Just because straight people don't care who you have sex with they in no way think it's normal and fine. Want proof? Ask some straight people.

lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#19 Aug 22, 2014
Of course, not all straight people are bigoted idiots, like Wondering.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#20 Aug 22, 2014
lides wrote:
Of course, not all straight people are bigoted idiots, like Wondering.
Your a trolling, off-topic fool, but you sure can be funny!

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