George Will on ABC’s “This Week”: Opposition To Gay Marriage Dying

There are 150 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Dec 9, 2012, titled George Will on ABC’s “This Week”: Opposition To Gay Marriage Dying . In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

It is tempting to do two things in the analysis of the move towards Marriage Equality. The first is to announce the death of the anti-equality groups, and the second is to conflate same-sex marriage with abortion.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#76 Dec 10, 2012
RalphB wrote:
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Interesting observation, should you actually be able to prove it. How long before these cultures collapse?
Netherlands
Belgium
Spain
Canada
South Africa
Norway
Sweden
Portugal
Iceland
Argentina
Not to mention the many states here in the U.S.
If what you suggest is true, the world is going to have a lot co collapsing
to do.
I'll answer your question with a question. How long does it take for a culture to collapse? Rome? Mayan? Grecian?

Furthermore, if you check, some of those cultures are already going through major changes.

Further furthermore, I would suggest we are in a place where the world IS going through significant collapses of the old normal.

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#77 Dec 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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My, my, my! Look at that ad homoan, gay twirl, sissy fit!
All over two simple points of reality you have no way around.
1. Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
2. Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Fatal cracks in the pillar of denial.
Maybe if you stomp your feet a little harder?
What happens if you face reality fully? It is hard either way, but you aren't asking th whole world to pretend with you.
Smirk.
AzAdam wrote:
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1. Marriage IS a constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. It serves the same purpose for same sex couples where it is legal. That's good for everyone.
2. You forget that it removes legal barriers to caring for ones spouse such as simplifying property and inheritance rights. This benefits straights and gays alike by enabling gay couples to care for each other, thus reducing the chance society as a whole will need to do it.
3. Anal and vaginal sex are both harmful in that you expose your blood stream to another persons blood stream. Thus the advantage of constraining evolutionary mating behavior.
Anal sex is no less harmful if practiced by straight or gay couples. Not all straight couples do it. Not all gay couples do it.
4. Demeaning? This is completely crap. You find gay people less deserving of respect, therefore gay sex is demeaning. But even if you disagree, you can understand that for someone who believes gay people are deserving of equal respect, gay sex would not be demeaning.
You are either blonde or a child. Your reasoning is scary!

1. Homosexuality is a devastating defect of mating behavior. Your assertion is idiotic.

2. I forget nothing. Distinct relationships only deserve appropriate distinct protections. I have listed numerous distinctions.

3. Anal sex is harmful because it violates design. Vaginal sex can be risky, but it is not a harmful violation of design. That is a simple medical fact.

I made no distinctions about hetero or homo anal sex practitioners. Are you suggesting that one orientation doing or receiving abuse justifies another orientation??? Really.

4. Sit on it.

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#78 Dec 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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Value and humanity are founded in reality.
Marriage at it's most fundamental identity is a cultural constraint of evolutionary mating behavior.
Gay unions are a direct violation of that, hardly 'a part'.
:-)
Jupiter wrote:
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People don't need to get married to be involved in "evolutionary mating behavior."
Didn't say they did.

Homosexuals however cannot engage in mating behavior within their orientation.

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#79 Dec 10, 2012
Jupiter wrote:
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If you are blaming the collapse of a culture on "moral degradation," you'd better give credit to heterosexuals for that too -- look at the divorce rate and the rate of unwed mothers, young teenagers having sex and the proliferation of porn on the internet. If you point one finger, three are pointing back at you, bub.
Smile.
I agree completely.

No fault divorce was devastating. As I stated in another post, we are all broken. Some just refuse to admit and face it.

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#80 Dec 10, 2012
IrishmanLA wrote:
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What you obviously do not realize is the concept differences between "Civil Unions"/"Domestic Partnerships" and "Marriage".
I live in California, where we currently have access to "Domestic Partnerships". That only applies in CAlifornia. If I go to Nevada, a state which has no "domestic partnership" concept in its laws, I now become a legal stranger to my "partner" and there is no legal recourse for situations where I may need to make life-saving decisions for him, or vice-versa.
There have been several cases of people from marriage-equality states and non-marriage-equality states where they have worked a blizzard of legal documents and STILL were denied access to common courtesies, up to, and INCLUDING, being by the side of their loved one while that person is dying. These are things that are considered unconscionable for opposite-sex relations because marriage is "understood" in all fifty states, and only because of DOMA are same-sex marriages able to be bandied about and ignored at will.
One case that comes to mind is a couple from WA who were vacationing at Disneyworld with their family (in this case, they have 3 children). One of the couple became desperately ill, and was hospitalized. Regardless of the existence of a medical power of attorney that was signed by both parties years before, the hospital said that the partner had "no rights or reason" to be by the bed of her loved one while she lay dying alone. The hospital even restricted the kids from being able to visit the parent they have always known. According to interviews provided when this hit the news, witnesses in the waiting room heard a nurse tell the surviving woman "This is Florida. We don't have to care about your relationship here."
So you might think that it's irrelevant that people form life-long relationships with people of the same sex, which your posts certainly lead many people to believe. However, those relationships are as meaningful to us as yours is to you.
If you don't agree with same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. However, for those of us who are drawn to the same sex as you are drawn to the opposite sex, same-sex marriage is part of who we are. You can believe that we are wrong to want equality under the law. We believe you are wrong to deny equality under the law to us.
I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.

I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.

:-)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#81 Dec 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I agree completely.
No fault divorce was devastating. As I stated in another post, we are all broken. Some just refuse to admit and face it.
:-)
Then a few same-sex couples getting married isn't going to make any difference.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#82 Dec 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.
I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
:-)
We ARE getting our own rights, and we're doing it under the term "marriage" whether you like it or not.

“I beleave in reason not god”

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#83 Dec 10, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
BINGO!
Opposition to marriage equality is highest amongst the oldest generations- i.e. baby boomer & older.
Support for marriage equality is highest amongst the youngest generations- i.e. those under age 40.
Those under age 35 now support marriage equality by 70+%. And support has grown over the past 2 decades among EVERY generational demographic, even the oldest of the old.
Opposition to marraige equality is LITERALLY dying out. Within a decade, the anti-gays won't be able to win a vote anywhere in the country, except maybe Alabama & Mississippi.
once gay marriage became legal after an interstitial peek the number will level off a 100 years from now gay marriage will be legal but rear. plural marriage will also also be legal. because after gay marriage they will have no choose but to make it legal in the name of fairness. also pedophiles will become more accepted.but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#84 Dec 10, 2012
Sorry too late, same sex marriages have been around for a number of years already. Take it up with the Christiban. They're the ones who don't believe in equality for all in this country.
KiMare wrote:
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I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.
I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
:-)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#85 Dec 10, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
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once gay marriage became legal after an interstitial peek the number will level off a 100 years from now gay marriage will be legal but rear. plural marriage will also also be legal. because after gay marriage they will have no choose but to make it legal in the name of fairness. also pedophiles will become more accepted.but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.
Of course male-female marriages will be the norm; they're the majority in society an always will be. A minority of marriages will be same-sex couples, just as a minority of marriages will be inter-racial marriages.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#86 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I agree completely.
No fault divorce was devastating. As I stated in another post, we are all broken. Some just refuse to admit and face it.
:-)
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then a few same-sex couples getting married isn't going to make any difference.
1. A big bad decision was made, so making a little bad decision is okay? Really.

2. The argument for No Fault Divorce was,'it couldn't hurt'. In fact, like gays they said it would help marriage.

What a stupid argument.

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#87 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.
I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
:-)
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
We ARE getting our own rights, and we're doing it under the term "marriage" whether you like it or not.
If you call the tail on a dog a leg (notice the natural pun about which end of the dog you fit), what is it?

Like the story,'The Emperor Has No Clothes', a child will stand and say to duplicate gender couples, "You are not married!"

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#88 Dec 11, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
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once gay marriage became legal

...plural marriage will also also be legal

...also pedophiles will become more accepted

...but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

What thick webs your deceit weaves.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#89 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.
I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
:-)
TomInElPaso wrote:
Sorry too late, same sex marriages have been around for a number of years already. Take it up with the Christiban. They're the ones who don't believe in equality for all in this country.
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Maybe, maybe not.

1. There will always be children who look at redumbant couples and diverse couples and say, "They are not the same'. Especially if one couple is mom and dad. Words can't change that, can they?

2. The closer a counterfeit gets to the real thing, the more the imposter is exposed.

Just a side point you bring up; You are seeking to pollute marriage, while calling the largest segment of society that focuses on good works a slur. Do you understand how stupid and bigoted that is?

:-)

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#90 Dec 11, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
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once gay marriage became legal after an interstitial peek the number will level off a 100 years from now gay marriage will be legal but rear. plural marriage will also also be legal. because after gay marriage they will have no choose but to make it legal in the name of fairness. also pedophiles will become more accepted.but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Of course male-female marriages will be the norm; they're the majority in society an always will be. A minority of marriages will be same-sex couples, just as a minority of marriages will be inter-racial marriages.
Are you concerned a Freudian slip slipped in there?

You missed a few...

Smirk.

Uve

Since: Nov 12

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#91 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
freethinker1957 wrote:
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once gay marriage became legal after an interstitial peek the number will level off a 100 years from now gay marriage will be legal but rear. plural marriage will also also be legal. because after gay marriage they will have no choose but to make it legal in the name of fairness. also pedophiles will become more accepted.but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.
<quoted text>
Are you concerned a Freudian slip slipped in there?
You missed a few...
Smirk.
Your reasoning is not logical..Polygamy is not the same as SSM, just by the number of participants. Including pedophilia in a discussion about gay marriage is a typical bigoted tactic and has no scientific basis. Your also theorizing the future, it's not factual, if anything it's skewed by bigotry.
AzAdam

United States

#92 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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My, my, my! Look at that ad homoan, gay twirl, sissy fit!
All over two simple points of reality you have no way around.
1. Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
2. Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Fatal cracks in the pillar of denial.
Maybe if you stomp your feet a little harder?
What happens if you face reality fully? It is hard either way, but you aren't asking th whole world to pretend with you.
Smirk.
<quoted text>
You are either blonde or a child. Your reasoning is scary!
1. Homosexuality is a devastating defect of mating behavior. Your assertion is idiotic.
2. I forget nothing. Distinct relationships only deserve appropriate distinct protections. I have listed numerous distinctions.
3. Anal sex is harmful because it violates design. Vaginal sex can be risky, but it is not a harmful violation of design. That is a simple medical fact.
I made no distinctions about hetero or homo anal sex practitioners. Are you suggesting that one orientation doing or receiving abuse justifies another orientation??? Really.
4. Sit on it.
:-)
Did you want to stick to the evolution argument? Or did you want to talk about how we're "designed?" Because the latter is sounding a lot more like a religious argument which I suspected.

I'm going to ignore your insults since they aren't relevant.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#93 Dec 11, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
. A minority of marriages will be same-sex couples, just as a minority of marriages will be inter-racial marriages.
Can we be sure of that last point? Especially if we consider latinos to be distinct from other minorities, I suspect interracial marriages will become as common as interfaith marriages.

Not so long ago, an Irish-Italian wedding might have been considered unusual. Today, the European descendents have intermixed so broadly that we hardly distinguish heritage--espescially northern European. I see a similar trend with whites, Asians and latinos, particularly. And a large proporition of the so-called blacks in America descended from mixed-race unions that occurred two centuries ago.

Since: Jul 11

Los Angeles, CA

#94 Dec 11, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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I am completely aware of the distinctions. That is exactly why I defend marriage.
I seek to deny no one their legitimate rights. Gay unions are not the same. Get your own rights just like heterosexual couples did. Just don't impose an imposter relationship on marriage.
:-)
The "rights" of which you speak are those afforded by the government to tax-paying citizens. They are the same rights that all HUMAN BEINGS deserve. If you want gays to have special rights, then perhaps we should not pay the same taxes that heterosexuals pay, since we aren't eligible for the same rights that are bestowed upon tax-paying citizens by the government.

Except that would then be "special rights", which we don't want. We want the same rights as every other tax-paying citizen and to be treated EQUALLY under the law. YOU want us to get "special rights" (aka, rights that only apply to us), and then, others like you claim that we want them, when we don't.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#95 Dec 11, 2012
freethinker1957 wrote:
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once gay marriage became legal after an interstitial peek the number will level off a 100 years from now gay marriage will be legal but rear. plural marriage will also also be legal. because after gay marriage they will have no choose but to make it legal in the name of fairness. also pedophiles will become more accepted.but male females marriage will still be the norm. after all nature will stick with what works. but male females marriage will still be the norm.

Kimare'a wrote;
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Are you concerned a Freudian slip slipped in there?
You missed a few...
Smirk.
Uve wrote:
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Your reasoning is not logical..Polygamy is not the same as SSM, just by the number of participants. Including pedophilia in a discussion about gay marriage is a typical bigoted tactic and has no scientific basis. Your also theorizing the future, it's not factual, if anything it's skewed by bigotry.
Look again. I quoted a gay's comments (freethinker).

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