George Will on ABC’s “This Week”: Opposition To Gay Marriage Dying

Dec 9, 2012 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

It is tempting to do two things in the analysis of the move towards Marriage Equality. The first is to announce the death of the anti-equality groups, and the second is to conflate same-sex marriage with abortion.

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BINGO!

Opposition to marriage equality is highest amongst the oldest generations- i.e. baby boomer & older.

Support for marriage equality is highest amongst the youngest generations- i.e. those under age 40.

Those under age 35 now support marriage equality by 70+%. And support has grown over the past 2 decades among EVERY generational demographic, even the oldest of the old.

Opposition to marraige equality is LITERALLY dying out. Within a decade, the anti-gays won't be able to win a vote anywhere in the country, except maybe Alabama & Mississippi.

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The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.

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KiMare wrote:
The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.
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Well; you have nothing to worry about; sugar
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Gay sex is too exclusive for the entire culture to embrace
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Gay sex is too exclusive for the entire culture to embrace
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You clearly have a comprehension problem compounded by a reality deficit.

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KiMare wrote:
The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.
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Obviously you've never been married, or you'd know it has very little to do with sex- at least not after the first year.....

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KiMare wrote:
The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.
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Obviously you've never been married, or you'd know it has very little to do with sex- at least not after the first year.....
Wrong again. Married 36 years.

I'm simply going by historical precedence. Marriage has existed in every single culture in 8000 years of human history.

Gay unions have risen briefly in only a handful. They have never established themselves and spread. Not one single time. Instead, the cultures that embraced them have quickly collapsed.

As a wise man once said, "There is nothing new under the sun".

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KiMare wrote:
The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.
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LOL.

Really, the only people who need to embrace "gay sex" are gay people, Dear. That's how it works. Healthy straight people are much to interested in sex with other straight people to worry about the sex that some random gay person might be having.

The the point is to embrace the value and humanity of gay people. Marriage is a part of that.

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A pretty statement, too bad for you there are no facts behind it. But these pages are rife with trolls who make such statements so keep trying.
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..... Marriage has existed in every single culture in 8000 years of human history.
Gay unions have risen briefly in only a handful.........
And this matters, how? We certainly don't look at ancient history to dictate how we live today. We live longer, we place more value on children, we don't keep slaves. The way we live today is very very different than how our ancestors lived.

To prevent gay folks from marrying legally, today, you just need to have timely and relevant reasons. Logical reasons. Rational reasons.

So far, you, and those who think like you, and not been able to come up with any.

If the best you can do is "we didn't do it in the past", the you need to come up with a better argument. We didn't do a great many things in the past, but would you rather live then, or now?

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LOL.
Really, the only people who need to embrace "gay sex" are gay people, Dear. That's how it works. Healthy straight people are much to interested in sex with other straight people to worry about the sex that some random gay person might be having.
The the point is to embrace the value and humanity of gay people. Marriage is a part of that.
Value and humanity are founded in reality.

Marriage at it's most fundamental identity is a cultural constraint of evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay unions are a direct violation of that, hardly 'a part'.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
BINGO!
Opposition to marriage equality is highest amongst the oldest generations- i.e. baby boomer & older.
Support for marriage equality is highest amongst the youngest generations- i.e. those under age 40.
Those under age 35 now support marriage equality by 70+%. And support has grown over the past 2 decades among EVERY generational demographic, even the oldest of the old.
Opposition to marraige equality is LITERALLY dying out. Within a decade, the anti-gays won't be able to win a vote anywhere in the country, except maybe Alabama & Mississippi.
That is only half the story. What is actually more surprising about the story is that support for marriage equality is rising almost uniformly among all age groups. Where as people over 65 expressed 20% support ten years ago, they now express 30% support. And people in their twenties ten years ago moved from 50% support to 60% support in their thirties. Meanwhile, the new cohort of twenty-somethings supports marriage equality by 70%.

The increase in support is fairly uniform among other demographic measures as well, including religious affiliation, geographic location, minority status, etc. I dare say support among GLBT's themselves has increased with the country as a whole.

So the 1% annual increase in support across all groups is compounded by the change in the cohort: A group expressing 20% support has been replaced by a group expressing 70% support. It also helps that the twenty-somethings are more numerous than those over 65. If only they would vote more reliably...

Given the fickleness of the younger vote, I think it's important for the time-being to take our battles to the ballot during Presidential election years. Look how different the North Carolina vote turned out from the polls. I suspect that, like in Maine, Maryland, Washington, and Minnesota, the vote would have more closely resembled the polls if held in November.

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A pretty statement, too bad for you there are no facts behind it. But these pages are rife with trolls who make such statements so keep trying.
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These pages are filled with trolls whose only argument is that anyone who disagrees with them is a troll.

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And this matters, how? We certainly don't look at ancient history to dictate how we live today. We live longer, we place more value on children, we don't keep slaves. The way we live today is very very different than how our ancestors lived.
To prevent gay folks from marrying legally, today, you just need to have timely and relevant reasons. Logical reasons. Rational reasons.
So far, you, and those who think like you, and not been able to come up with any.
If the best you can do is "we didn't do it in the past", the you need to come up with a better argument. We didn't do a great many things in the past, but would you rather live then, or now?
Why do you need to cut my post? It might make your response look idiotic?

If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love

If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage

If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage

If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders

If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions
and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history

If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no affect

If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships

If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity

If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent

If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act

If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end

If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest

If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none

If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'

Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.
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KiMare wrote:
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Wrong again. Married 36 years.
I'm simply going by historical precedence. Marriage has existed in every single culture in 8000 years of human history.
Gay unions have risen briefly in only a handful. They have never established themselves and spread. Not one single time. Instead, the cultures that embraced them have quickly collapsed.
As a wise man once said, "There is nothing new under the sun".
Smile.
Is your marriage licensed?
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Why do you need to cut my post?
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Is your marriage licensed?
Why? Marriage exists apart from government in many places. We even have civil unions.

You didn't know that?

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That wasn't necessary for a reply.

You know that.

I simply am exposing the gay twirl tactic that takes a comment out of context in an attempt to avoid the truth.

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Why? Marriage exists apart from government in many places. We even have civil unions.
You didn't know that?
So you've been shacking up for 36 years?
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That wasn't necessary for a reply.
You know that.
I simply am exposing the gay twirl tactic that takes a comment out of context in an attempt to avoid the truth.
Smile.
If you already know the answer then why did you ask the question?
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Are you an attention hog?

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KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
The pattern of history is that when a culture embraces gay sex, it collapses.
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Wrong again. Married 36 years.
I'm simply going by historical precedence. Marriage has existed in every single culture in 8000 years of human history.
Gay unions have risen briefly in only a handful. They have never established themselves and spread. Not one single time. Instead, the cultures that embraced them have quickly collapsed.
As a wise man once said, "There is nothing new under the sun".
Smile.
Well then nearly every 1st world nation will be collapsing soon. Probably on 12/21/2012.......

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