Gay marriage dispute pending in New M...

Gay marriage dispute pending in New Mexico

There are 350 comments on the KOB-TV New Mexico story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Gay marriage dispute pending in New Mexico. In it, KOB-TV New Mexico reports that:

Attorney General Gary King plans to talk about a simmering dispute over whether same-sex marriage is legal in New Mexico.

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“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#242 Jun 26, 2013
Trooper wrote:
<quoted text>
Silly [email protected], there's no such thing as a homophobe. Mental illness is tough on you Queers.
How is it that blowhards like you enjoy gay sex so much when you are in prison, and then you become gay-bashers when you get paroled? Are you just angry because women don't want to be with ex-con losers like you? Or is it some kind of Oedipal guilt complex.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#244 Jun 26, 2013
Trooper wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, just like a filthy [email protected] with a d!ck up his a.ss. Thinks all people can't wait to have a d!ck stuck up their a.ss also. Well Queer, your lifestyle is so disgusting that you have to be mentally ill just to try it let alone, live it. How many times have you su:cked a Sh!t covered d!ck after being stuck up your asshoIe??? I bet it's an every night ritual for a Filthy [email protected] like you.
ROFLMFAO
I am not gay, Bubba. But we have gays in our family and we will do whatever is necessary to protect them from psychopaths like you. But I'm not worried about blowhards like you who post all your anonymous hate hiding behind your computer screen. Commit a hate crime and you will get to enjoy all the gay sex you just described from the comfort of your concrete and steel prison cell. GFY

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#246 Jun 26, 2013
Um, no. We are free to disagree with anyone, and stay right here in the USA exercising OUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO DO SO.

That is by far the most fascist and socially irresponsible thing I've seen you post. You just affirmed, most supremely, your bigotry to Americans with dissenting opinions...

Including Justices with dissenting opinions:

"In the end, what the Court fails to grasp or accept is the basic premise of the initiative process. And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government. The California initiative process embodies these principles and has done so for over a century....

In California and the 26 other States that permit initiatives and popular referendums, the people have exercised their own inherent sovereign right to govern themselves. The Court today frustrates that choice by nullifying, for failure to comply with the Restatement of Agency, a State Supreme Court decision holding that state law authorizes an enacted initiative’s proponents to defend the law if and when the State’s usual legal advocates decline to do so. The Court’s opinion fails to abide by precedent and misapplies basic principles of justiciability."

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/12-...

Don't ever ask or suggest that someone should leave their country because you disagree with them. Such cowardice is despicable.

Now, the debate is with the States, and we will continue to fight one State at a time for the dignity and respect of tradition, culture, and heritage that every man and woman on Earth has a right to expect.
Lobo Viejo wrote:
"Although Congress has great authority to design laws to fit its own conception of sound national policy, it cannot deny the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment."
Thank you, SCOTUS majority, for upholding our Constitution.
Anyone who does not like this decision, or our system of laws and government, is free to leave the USA. Your bigotry would be better suited in Iran where they have a religious theocracy that executes gays.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#247 Jun 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Court's authority to see that such regulation meet the criteria mandated by the Constitution.
Noooooo,

Once again,

The USC regulates the GOVERNMENT. Not marriage. Not the people. Not tradition. Not anything else.

It just limits the government.

Period.

You know, to protect the sovereignty of the individual you keep clamoring about?

Right.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#248 Jun 26, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so now it has to be a majority to be right? Read history? You can thumb your noses at the Supremes by refusing to marry someone of the same sex. At least they can use the same bathrooms together and don't have to ride in the back of the bus. Render unto Caesar. It is a civil and tax issue. Doesn't touch your majority religious groups.
No, there has to be a consensus based on rational thought processes.

Like the scientific community does.

All sorts of benefits are refused. Because benefits are not rights.

Logic. You should try it some time.

Render unto Caesar what?

What did Jesus ask for before He said that? A coin with Caesar's face, that's what.

Because that is all that Caesar owns ... the abstract of money. God owns everything, Caesar owns nothing but the abstract. Jesus made that quite clear, He always has. Humans think of abstracts. God thinks everything into existence itself. Our thoughts have no power. God's thoughts ARE power.

Theology 101.

But a non-theologian such as yourself would have no notion of such matters or centuries of consensus on the matter.

In fact, the income tax is a religious concept. First fruits, invented by God himself. Nothing is exempt from God. All taxation was of great concern to God, and He taught us how to regulate it and control it, to balance it for fairness and justice.

There is nothing that is separate from Christian social teachings. Nothing whatsoever. There is no such thing as "secular" at all. It's just as abstract ... like Caesar's coin.

So shut up, and stop talking about things that are far beyond you, and far above you. Your bigoted anti-Christian intolerance is showing once more.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#249 Jun 26, 2013
Trooper wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, just like a filthy [email protected] with a d!ck up his a.ss. Thinks all people can't wait to have a d!ck stuck up their a.ss also. Well Queer, your lifestyle is so disgusting that you have to be mentally ill just to try it let alone, live it. How many times have you su:cked a Sh!t covered d!ck after being stuck up your asshoIe??? I bet it's an every night ritual for a Filthy [email protected] like you.
ROFLMFAO
Shut up, troll. You're either a Liberal in disguise fueling the fires of hate, or really are struggling with your own homosexuality.

Either way, you are not doing conservatives any favors. Be silent, fool.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#250 Jun 27, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Noooooo,
Once again,
The USC regulates the GOVERNMENT. Not marriage. Not the people. Not tradition. Not anything else.
It just limits the government.
Period.
You know, to protect the sovereignty of the individual you keep clamoring about?
Right.
You write like you see no point to the third branch of our Government, at least not the point elucidated in the recorded discussions and thoughts of the Framers, and those of the first Justices to hold those offices.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#251 Jun 27, 2013
<please, nobody tell him>

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#253 Jun 27, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, there has to be a consensus based on rational thought processes.
Like the scientific community does.
All sorts of benefits are refused. Because benefits are not rights.
Logic. You should try it some time.
Render unto Caesar what?
What did Jesus ask for before He said that? A coin with Caesar's face, that's what.
Because that is all that Caesar owns ... the abstract of money. God owns everything, Caesar owns nothing but the abstract. Jesus made that quite clear, He always has. Humans think of abstracts. God thinks everything into existence itself. Our thoughts have no power. God's thoughts ARE power.
Theology 101.
But a non-theologian such as yourself would have no notion of such matters or centuries of consensus on the matter.
In fact, the income tax is a religious concept. First fruits, invented by God himself. Nothing is exempt from God. All taxation was of great concern to God, and He taught us how to regulate it and control it, to balance it for fairness and justice.
There is nothing that is separate from Christian social teachings. Nothing whatsoever. There is no such thing as "secular" at all. It's just as abstract ... like Caesar's coin.
So shut up, and stop talking about things that are far beyond you, and far above you. Your bigoted anti-Christian intolerance is showing once more.
You certainly view things through your own special set of glasses.

Nothing seems to pass through them intact.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#254 Jun 27, 2013
Lobo Viejo wrote:
"Although Congress has great authority to design laws to fit its own conception of sound national policy, it cannot deny the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment."
Thank you, SCOTUS majority, for upholding our Constitution.
Anyone who does not like this decision, or our system of laws and government, is free to leave the USA. Your bigotry would be better suited in Iran where they have a religious theocracy that executes gays.
Actually they have a "theoNOMY".

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#255 Jun 27, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Shut up, troll. You're either a Liberal in disguise fueling the fires of hate, or really are struggling with your own homosexuality.
Either way, you are not doing conservatives any favors. Be silent, fool.
That's our resident troll with many names. You are right, he does the conservatives NO favors with his rambling BS! You can find him in ANY of these G/L threads....ALL day!

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#256 Jun 27, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, I did not lose anything.
Either the people right to restrict marriage will be honored, or it will not. Either democracy wins, or it does not. If democracy loses because of gay people's selfishness, then we all lose.
I didn't have time to respond last night. I was out celebrating with friends. Democracy never loses when equality is gained. And again, we won, get over it. You can now free yourself from your attraction to the Topix G & L forum, and actually live the live of a normal heterosexual adult.......if you ever become one.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#258 Jun 27, 2013
Trooper wrote:
<quoted text>
TRUTH HURTS huh [email protected]
ROFLMFAO
YOU should really know about that, oh closeted one. ROTFL!

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#260 Jun 27, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No, there has to be a consensus based on rational thought processes.
Like the scientific community does.
All sorts of benefits are refused. Because benefits are not rights.
Logic. You should try it some time.
Render unto Caesar what?
What did Jesus ask for before He said that? A coin with Caesar's face, that's what.
Because that is all that Caesar owns ... the abstract of money. God owns everything, Caesar owns nothing but the abstract. Jesus made that quite clear, He always has. Humans think of abstracts. God thinks everything into existence itself. Our thoughts have no power. God's thoughts ARE power.
Theology 101.
But a non-theologian such as yourself would have no notion of such matters or centuries of consensus on the matter.
In fact, the income tax is a religious concept. First fruits, invented by God himself. Nothing is exempt from God. All taxation was of great concern to God, and He taught us how to regulate it and control it, to balance it for fairness and justice.
There is nothing that is separate from Christian social teachings. Nothing whatsoever. There is no such thing as "secular" at all. It's just as abstract ... like Caesar's coin.
So shut up, and stop talking about things that are far beyond you, and far above you. Your bigoted anti-Christian intolerance is showing once more.
And all this was in reference to this quote: "Oh, so now it has to be a majority to be right? Read history? You can thumb your noses at the Supremes by refusing to marry someone of the same sex. At least they can use the same bathrooms together and don't have to ride in the back of the bus. Render unto Caesar. It is a civil and tax issue. Doesn't touch your majority religious groups."

And you are taking me to school on logic. And benefits? And anti-christian hate. And you did get the Caesar thing. It was of the material and political world. But Snyper hit it on the head. Nothing gets by you intact.

Sidebar: The Moral Majority would not have colonized America. The religious minorities who were often persecuted made their way here. The First Amendment is not just for the protection of the Majority voice. It protects the minority. Which is why we have a Republic and not a democracy...seems that many posters have pointed that out to you to no avail.

And the Reductio ad Absurdum: It is all religion. Nothing secular. The income tax even. Thought the Nativity started out with the call from Caesar Augustus: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

And continue to believe that other religions prior had no influence on the calendar. Christmas and the Winter Solstice. Beltane and the Resurrection. Seems you short change a lot of powerful myths and beliefs and show that your reading and "theology" is as narrow and cut and paste as you posts. Thanks for the Ad Hominems as well. What you are speaks louder than your words.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#261 Jun 27, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
<quoted text>
And all this was in reference to this quote: "Oh, so now it has to be a majority to be right? Read history? You can thumb your noses at the Supremes by refusing to marry someone of the same sex. At least they can use the same bathrooms together and don't have to ride in the back of the bus. Render unto Caesar. It is a civil and tax issue. Doesn't touch your majority religious groups."
And you are taking me to school on logic. And benefits? And anti-christian hate. And you did get the Caesar thing. It was of the material and political world. But Snyper hit it on the head. Nothing gets by you intact.
Sidebar: The Moral Majority would not have colonized America. The religious minorities who were often persecuted made their way here. The First Amendment is not just for the protection of the Majority voice. It protects the minority. Which is why we have a Republic and not a democracy...seems that many posters have pointed that out to you to no avail.
And the Reductio ad Absurdum: It is all religion. Nothing secular. The income tax even. Thought the Nativity started out with the call from Caesar Augustus: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
And continue to believe that other religions prior had no influence on the calendar. Christmas and the Winter Solstice. Beltane and the Resurrection. Seems you short change a lot of powerful myths and beliefs and show that your reading and "theology" is as narrow and cut and paste as you posts. Thanks for the Ad Hominems as well. What you are speaks louder than your words.
Nicely done.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#262 Jul 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
You write like you see no point to the third branch of our Government, at least not the point elucidated in the recorded discussions and thoughts of the Framers, and those of the first Justices to hold those offices.
Here is my post again:

"Noooooo,
Once again,
The USC regulates the GOVERNMENT. Not marriage. Not the people. Not tradition. Not anything else.
It just limits the government.
Period.
You know, to protect the sovereignty of the individual you keep clamoring about?
Right."

Your reply does not follow.

I make no arguments regarding the Framers or the US Constitution. I merely stated what it was for, which is self-evident by it's wording.

It regulates the government.

Nothing more, nothing less.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#263 Jul 4, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
You certainly view things through your own special set of glasses.
Nothing seems to pass through them intact.
Not at all.

I agree with most of humankind and evolution with regards to marriage.

I do not agree with a minority point of view, regardless of how much money and specially interests fascist-like power they have to change the definition of marriage against the will of the people.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#264 Jul 4, 2013
Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>That's our resident troll with many names. You are right, he does the conservatives NO favors with his rambling BS! You can find him in ANY of these G/L threads....ALL day!
Well, it's not like such trolls is any different than most mainstream liberal sheeple that tow the party line.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#265 Jul 4, 2013
RalphB wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't have time to respond last night. I was out celebrating with friends. Democracy never loses when equality is gained. And again, we won, get over it. You can now free yourself from your attraction to the Topix G & L forum, and actually live the live of a normal heterosexual adult.......if you ever become one.
Mm, this post lacks substance.

Moving on ....

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#266 Jul 4, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
<quoted text>
And all this was in reference to this quote: "Oh, so now it has to be a majority to be right? Read history? You can thumb your noses at the Supremes by refusing to marry someone of the same sex. At least they can use the same bathrooms together and don't have to ride in the back of the bus. Render unto Caesar. It is a civil and tax issue. Doesn't touch your majority religious groups."
And you are taking me to school on logic. And benefits? And anti-christian hate. And you did get the Caesar thing. It was of the material and political world. But Snyper hit it on the head. Nothing gets by you intact.
Sidebar: The Moral Majority would not have colonized America. The religious minorities who were often persecuted made their way here. The First Amendment is not just for the protection of the Majority voice. It protects the minority. Which is why we have a Republic and not a democracy...seems that many posters have pointed that out to you to no avail.
And the Reductio ad Absurdum: It is all religion. Nothing secular. The income tax even. Thought the Nativity started out with the call from Caesar Augustus: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
And continue to believe that other religions prior had no influence on the calendar. Christmas and the Winter Solstice. Beltane and the Resurrection. Seems you short change a lot of powerful myths and beliefs and show that your reading and "theology" is as narrow and cut and paste as you posts. Thanks for the Ad Hominems as well. What you are speaks louder than your words.
Sorry, but this is not a reply to my post.

Let me post again, and maybe you can try again:

"No, there has to be a consensus based on rational thought processes.
Like the scientific community does.
All sorts of benefits are refused. Because benefits are not rights.
Logic. You should try it some time.
Render unto Caesar what?
What did Jesus ask for before He said that? A coin with Caesar's face, that's what.
Because that is all that Caesar owns ... the abstract of money. God owns everything, Caesar owns nothing but the abstract. Jesus made that quite clear, He always has. Humans think of abstracts. God thinks everything into existence itself. Our thoughts have no power. God's thoughts ARE power.
Theology 101.
But a non-theologian such as yourself would have no notion of such matters or centuries of consensus on the matter.
In fact, the income tax is a religious concept. First fruits, invented by God himself. Nothing is exempt from God. All taxation was of great concern to God, and He taught us how to regulate it and control it, to balance it for fairness and justice.
There is nothing that is separate from Christian social teachings. Nothing whatsoever. There is no such thing as "secular" at all. It's just as abstract ... like Caesar's coin.
So shut up, and stop talking about things that are far beyond you, and far above you. Your bigoted anti-Christian intolerance is showing once more."

So, you make a comment about Christian principles such as "render unto Caesar" which you clearly don't understand, and go on to further nonsense about this, that, and the other?

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