Gay marriage dispute pending in New M...

Gay marriage dispute pending in New Mexico

There are 350 comments on the KOB-TV New Mexico story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Gay marriage dispute pending in New Mexico. In it, KOB-TV New Mexico reports that:

Attorney General Gary King plans to talk about a simmering dispute over whether same-sex marriage is legal in New Mexico.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at KOB-TV New Mexico.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#197 Jun 26, 2013
We might have covered ourselves with honor today, by promising all sides of this debate that it was theirs to settle and that we would respect their resolution. We might have let the People decide.

But that the majority will not do. Some will rejoice in today’s decision, and some will despair at it; that is the nature of a controversy that matters so much to so many. But the Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better. I dissent.

-Scalia

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#198 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
I know the facts.
Yes, the People have an ABSOLUTE right to impose whatever rules they deem necessary.
Period. It is not for anyone to deny the absolute democratic will of the people.
If you don't like it, you can leave said society.
Obviously not according to SCOTUS and the rulings handed down today!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#199 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
We might have covered ourselves with honor today, by promising all sides of this debate that it was theirs to settle and that we would respect their resolution. We might have let the People decide.
But that the majority will not do. Some will rejoice in today’s decision, and some will despair at it; that is the nature of a controversy that matters so much to so many. But the Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better. I dissent.
-Scalia
This from the Justice who sided with the majority regarding Prop 8:-)

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#200 Jun 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously not according to SCOTUS and the rulings handed down today!!!
\

That is INCORRECT.

In the end, what the Court fails to grasp or accept is the basic premise of the initiative process. And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government. The California initiative process embodies these principles and has done so for over a century....

In California and the 26 other States that permit initiatives and popular referendums, the people have exercised their own inherent sovereign right to govern themselves. The Court today frustrates that choice by nullifying, for failure to comply with the Restatement of Agency, a State Supreme Court decision holding that state law authorizes an enacted initiative’s proponents to defend the law if and when the State’s usual legal advocates decline to do so. The Court’s opinion fails to abide by precedent and misapplies basic principles of justiciability.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/12-...

"And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government."

As I have ALWAYS stated, which is by logic alone ... the PEOPLE rule the government, and therefore, dictate what marriage is.

Now it is up to the States and the People.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#201 Jun 26, 2013
Democracy is not majority rule, though that is erroneously viewed as it's expression.

The United States is a Democratic Republic which practices Constitutional Representative Democracy, and that places final adjudicative authority in the hands of an independent Judiciary.

The Constitution of the United States guarantees to the individual the Right to seek Redress of Grievances from any of the three Branches of Government, with the Judiciary being the most common avenue for this. As such, the Judiciary is the highest and last recourse for such Grievances, and sits with absolute authority in Justice, in Equity, and in Protection of the Individual Citizen from the "hand of malignity" whether extended by Government or by a majority of the Citizenry.

Yes, the individual Citizen is sovereign, but in the Checks and Balances system instituted by our Founders, the Check upon the ofttimes fickle, impulsive or unwise Sovereignty of the Citizenry is held in check by the independent authority of the Supreme Court of the United States.

This saves us from mob rule.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#202 Jun 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
Democracy is not majority rule, though that is erroneously viewed as it's expression.
The United States is a Democratic Republic which practices Constitutional Representative Democracy, and that places final adjudicative authority in the hands of an independent Judiciary.
The Constitution of the United States guarantees to the individual the Right to seek Redress of Grievances from any of the three Branches of Government, with the Judiciary being the most common avenue for this. As such, the Judiciary is the highest and last recourse for such Grievances, and sits with absolute authority in Justice, in Equity, and in Protection of the Individual Citizen from the "hand of malignity" whether extended by Government or by a majority of the Citizenry.
Yes, the individual Citizen is sovereign, but in the Checks and Balances system instituted by our Founders, the Check upon the ofttimes fickle, impulsive or unwise Sovereignty of the Citizenry is held in check by the independent authority of the Supreme Court of the United States.
This saves us from mob rule.
I agree with your first sentence.

Democracy can be expressed in much more than merely voting. Such as property rights and individual liberty.

And thus, you confirm what the Supreme Court states:

"And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government."

So then, this begs the question ... why do you deny the sovereign individual to express through their institutions of government the power to regulate marriage as they see fit?

???????

The mob already rules. Mob rule is merely a coined phrase to deny everything YOU JUST SUPPORTED, propaganda against individual sovereignty you hold so dear.

Or are you speaking of this:

Ochlocracy ("rule of the general populace") is democracy ("rule of the people") spoiled by demagoguery, "tyranny of the majority" and the rule of passion over reason, just like oligarchy ("rule of a few") is aristocracy ("rule of the best") spoiled by corruption, and tyranny is monarchy spoiled by lack of virtue. Ochlocracy is synonymous in meaning and usage to the modern, informal term "mobocracy," which emerged from a much more recent colloquial etymology.

So, as I've always said ... and as many have already concluded in ancient times.

The aristocracy is only as good as the elite. A democracy is only as good as it's people. Mob rule is democracy by a poorly educated and superstitious people (like Democrats today.) Or democracy can be progressive and prosperous (such as in Colonial America and the formation of the USA.)

None of this reconciles your contradictory position of denying the sovereign power of the people to regulate corporations and marriages, and all such public relations whatsoever.

??????
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#203 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
what historical reference do you have? Please provide sources.
click
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#204 Jun 26, 2013
We do so through REPRESENTATIVE Democracy. That's our system.
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#205 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with your first sentence.
Democracy can be expressed in much more than merely voting. Such as property rights and individual liberty.
And thus, you confirm what the Supreme Court states:
"And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government."
So then, this begs the question ... why do you deny the sovereign individual to express through their institutions of government the power to regulate marriage as they see fit?
???????
The mob already rules. Mob rule is merely a coined phrase to deny everything YOU JUST SUPPORTED, propaganda against individual sovereignty you hold so dear.
Or are you speaking of this:
Ochlocracy ("rule of the general populace") is democracy ("rule of the people") spoiled by demagoguery, "tyranny of the majority" and the rule of passion over reason, just like oligarchy ("rule of a few") is aristocracy ("rule of the best") spoiled by corruption, and tyranny is monarchy spoiled by lack of virtue. Ochlocracy is synonymous in meaning and usage to the modern, informal term "mobocracy," which emerged from a much more recent colloquial etymology.
So, as I've always said ... and as many have already concluded in ancient times.
The aristocracy is only as good as the elite. A democracy is only as good as it's people. Mob rule is democracy by a poorly educated and superstitious people (like Democrats today.) Or democracy can be progressive and prosperous (such as in Colonial America and the formation of the USA.)
None of this reconciles your contradictory position of denying the sovereign power of the people to regulate corporations and marriages, and all such public relations whatsoever.
??????
When people abuse their power; they lose their power
.
Just as the UTAH mormons and California voters lost their PropH8 power today
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#207 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>\
That is INCORRECT.
In the end, what the Court fails to grasp or accept is the basic premise of the initiative process. And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government. The California initiative process embodies these principles and has done so for over a century....
In California and the 26 other States that permit initiatives and popular referendums, the people have exercised their own inherent sovereign right to govern themselves. The Court today frustrates that choice by nullifying, for failure to comply with the Restatement of Agency, a State Supreme Court decision holding that state law authorizes an enacted initiative’s proponents to defend the law if and when the State’s usual legal advocates decline to do so. The Court’s opinion fails to abide by precedent and misapplies basic principles of justiciability.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/12-...
"And it is this. The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government."
As I have ALWAYS stated, which is by logic alone ... the PEOPLE rule the government, and therefore, dictate what marriage is.
Now it is up to the States and the People.
The states really don't have a horse in the race
.
The churches don't have a horse in the race either
.
The Federal Government (not the states or the churches) controls the taxation and distribution of the 1,138 rights; benefits; and privileges of marriage; all $467,562 worth of it
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/...
.
This is why; in the near future; marriage equality will apply universally across all of America

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#208 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around.
We don't live in a democracy....and the right to make laws go through our elected officials!!!
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#209 Jun 26, 2013
The Shadow wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no such thing as a Fabulous [email protected]!!!
I was promoted by the Gay Agenda; sugar
.
Aren't you proud of me?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#210 Jun 26, 2013
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid wrote:
A minority opinion by non-theologians is hardly evidence.

Try again.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#211 Jun 26, 2013
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
When people abuse their power; they lose their power
.
Just as the UTAH mormons and California voters lost their PropH8 power today
By what standard is power abused? Yours?

I think not. PropH8 is clearly in conformity with the social norms of most of the planet with regards of marriage, and the people did not abuse their democratic right at all to protect it.

Have evidence to the contrary?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#212 Jun 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't live in a democracy....and the right to make laws go through our elected officials!!!
NorCal, you are a disgusting hypocrite.

First you try and use the Supreme Court to justify your position.

And then I QUOTE THE SUPREME COURT that REFUTES your position, like so:

"The essence of democracy is that the right to make law rests in the people and flows to the government, not the other way around. Freedom resides first in the people without need of a grant from government." - Supreme Court today.

And you ignore it.

You are a very bad person.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#213 Jun 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't live in a democracy....and the right to make laws go through our elected officials!!!
Technically, a Constitutional Republic with Representative Democracy.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#214 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
By what standard is power abused? Yours?
I think not. PropH8 is clearly in conformity with the social norms of most of the planet with regards of marriage, and the people did not abuse their democratic right at all to protect it.
Have evidence to the contrary?
The Court's.

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#215 Jun 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
The Court's.
Firstly, the Court did not overrule Prop8.

Secondly, the People can disband the Court. It exists by the people's leave.

The Court agrees.

So, once AGAIN, by what standard can people be accused of abusing their power? The Aztec's could be said to have abused their democratic power to impose human sacrifice.

So, by what authority did the Spanish wipe out the practice?

You people LOVE to dance around these topics, dashing to and fro. You take one side to defend your personal beliefs. Then you change sides on another beliefs.

How do you live with that level of total moral relativity?
The Fabulous Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#216 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
A minority opinion by non-theologians is hardly evidence.
Try again.
If you don't like the answer; don't ask the question

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#217 Jun 26, 2013
Yankee Yahoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, the Court did not overrule Prop8.
Secondly, the People can disband the Court. It exists by the people's leave.
The Court agrees.
So, once AGAIN, by what standard can people be accused of abusing their power? The Aztec's could be said to have abused their democratic power to impose human sacrifice.
So, by what authority did the Spanish wipe out the practice?
You people LOVE to dance around these topics, dashing to and fro. You take one side to defend your personal beliefs. Then you change sides on another beliefs.
How do you live with that level of total moral relativity?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bottom line is you lost. Get over it, and go out with friends, if you have any.

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