Bishop: Jesus would back gay marriage?

Nov 27, 2012 Full story: www.seacoastonline.com 338

Many may consider it a fact that Christianity bans gay marriage, but at least one bishop begs to differ.

A crowd packed the Congregational Church of Exeter Monday night to listen to a talk and Q&A from Gene Robinson, the openly gay Bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#23 Nov 29, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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In the time of Jesus of Nazareth, the Jews were POLYGAMOUS.
Then how, according to Jesus of Nazareth, is looking at another potential wife ADULTERY (Matt. 5:28)?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#24 Nov 29, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Sweetie, Gagnon says he is siding with Jesus ...
Gagnon IS siding with Jesus, who is siding with His Father.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
From my reading of the Bible, I can't exactly picture him telling then no ...
Because your own pro-gay bias gets in the way of that picture.
Rick in Kansas wrote:
He doesn't refer to himself as someone's wife ...
Yes, he has.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#25 Nov 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Then how, according to Jesus of Nazareth, is looking at another potential wife ADULTERY (Matt. 5:28)?
Well, according to Jesus, if a married man looks at a woman with lust in his heart, he has committed adultery. Now the fact that the man had one wife or 4 wives, doesn't change that.

Are you saying that at that time, Jews were NOT polygamous ?!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#26 Nov 29, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Well, according to Jesus, if a married man looks at a woman with lust in his heart, he has committed adultery. Now the fact that the man had one wife or 4 wives, doesn't change that ...
It doesn't?

How can an already married man in a polygamous society commit adultery with another available woman?

Obviously Jesus assumed monogamy.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#27 Nov 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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It doesn't?
How can an already married man in a polygamous society commit adultery with another available woman?
Obviously Jesus assumed monogamy.
That's nonsensical.

If a mani s married to four wives, perfectly acceptable in Jewish society at that time, and looks with lust in his heart at another woman whom is not his wife, Jesus said that is adultery. It doesn't matter if the man has one wife or a dozen or more. The fact that he lusts for a woman to whom he is not married defines adultery. Not the number of wives that he had. Jews in Jeus' time was polygamous (that didn't largely end until around the 13th centuray A.D.), and Jesus said NOTTHING about monofmay. If a man had 2 or movre wives, He would say, don't cheat on any of them.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#28 Nov 30, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
... If a man had 2 or movre wives, He would say, don't cheat on any of them.
But a polygamist "cheats" on his other wives all the time.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#29 Nov 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Gagnon IS siding with Jesus, who is siding with His Father.
Jesus said HE was siding with Gagnon when exactly? At this point we only have Gagnon's word that he is the one on the side of Jesus.
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Because your own pro-gay bias gets in the way of that picture.
So tell me again where either Jesus or God said SPECIFICALLY that there were to be no same sex marriages in their respective names, not just talked about opposite sex marriages.
Joe DeCaro wrote:
Yes, he has.
PROVE IT.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#30 Nov 30, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
If a mani s married to four wives, perfectly acceptable in Jewish society at that time, and looks with lust in his heart at another woman whom is not his wife ...
... and how do you think he was first attracted to what later became his other four wives?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#31 Nov 30, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Jesus said HE was siding with Gagnon when exactly? At this point we only have Gagnon's word that he is the one on the side of Jesus ...
No, we have God's word, Genesis 1:27, 2:24, as restated by Jesus in Matthew 19:

"Have you never read that He who made them from the beginning made them male and female?... for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and become united with his wife ... and the two shall become one flesh ..."

There is no passage in scripture about two men, or two women, ever becoming "one flesh" in this manner.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#32 Nov 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, we have God's word, Genesis 1:27, 2:24, as restated by Jesus in Matthew 19:
"Have you never read that He who made them from the beginning made them male and female?... for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and become united with his wife ... and the two shall become one flesh ..."
There is no passage in scripture about two men, or two women, ever becoming "one flesh" in this manner.
Sweetie, you still haven't offered anything where either Jesus or God said no to same sex marriage in their respective names and still haven't offered anything resembling confirmation from that Jesus says HE is siding with Gagnon. Interpreting scripture in your favor is all fine and dandy, but we still only have YOUR word for it.,

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#33 Nov 30, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie, you still haven't offered anything where either Jesus or God said no to same sex marriage in their respective names and still haven't offered anything resembling confirmation from that Jesus says HE is siding with Gagnon ...
... in their respective names?

"The Rev. Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, challenged those who argued that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.

"When Jesus insisted on monogamous marriage, he predicated it on a passage in Genesis which says that 'from the beginning God made them male and female ... In other words, the fact that God had designed two, and only two, sexes for complementary sexual pairing was Jesus' basis for monogamy ...'"

... and His Father's original intent for marriage; anything else was obviously not designed, spiritually or physically.

Or did you fail Biology 101?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#34 Nov 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... in their respective names?
"The Rev. Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, challenged those who argued that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
"When Jesus insisted on monogamous marriage, he predicated it on a passage in Genesis which says that 'from the beginning God made them male and female ... In other words, the fact that God had designed two, and only two, sexes for complementary sexual pairing was Jesus' basis for monogamy ...'"
... and His Father's original intent for marriage; anything else was obviously not designed, spiritually or physically.
Or did you fail Biology 101?
Where you got to the 'in other words' part of your story; your argument shifted to make-believe

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#35 Nov 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
... in their respective names?
"The Rev. Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, challenged those who argued that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
"When Jesus insisted on monogamous marriage, he predicated it on a passage in Genesis which says that 'from the beginning God made them male and female ... In other words, the fact that God had designed two, and only two, sexes for complementary sexual pairing was Jesus' basis for monogamy ...'"
... and His Father's original intent for marriage; anything else was obviously not designed, spiritually or physically.
Or did you fail Biology 101?
Dear, that again is the Rev Gagnon's opinion on the matter, Jesus himself once again, remains silent in your reply. If Gagnon wants to choose to believe that Jesus don't do the same sex marriages, he can quote and interpret scripture from now until the second coming, but it remains nothing more than HIS opinion. Jesus decides who gets Christianity right and who doesn't, not the Catholic theologian.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#36 Nov 30, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Dear, that again is the Rev Gagnon's opinion on the matter, Jesus himself once again, remains silent in your reply. If Gagnon wants to choose to believe that Jesus don't do the same sex marriages, he can quote and interpret scripture from now until the second coming, but it remains nothing more than HIS opinion. Jesus decides who gets Christianity right and who doesn't, not the Catholic theologian.
And Martin Luther said the Catholics got it ALL wrong !

:)

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#37 Nov 30, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Where you got to the 'in other words' part of your story ...
I don't post my own words in "quotes".
Rick in Kansas wrote:
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Dear, that again is the Rev Gagnon's opinion on the matter ...
... that men and women are created as complimentary sexes is a biological fact, not an opinion.
SLIF

Scarborough, Canada

#38 Nov 30, 2012
Didn't Jesus hang around with hookers and the homeless?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#39 Dec 1, 2012
SLIF wrote:
Didn't Jesus hang around with hookers and the homeless?
Its difficult to tell from the evidence
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#40 Dec 1, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
... that men and women are created as complimentary sexes is a biological fact, not an opinion.
I take it you still haven't convinced Jesus to weigh in as to whether he agrees with Gagnon or not? Sometimes men are the complimentary sex to men and sometimes women are the complimentary sex to women and sometimes both seem pretty complimentary, biological facts that God for some reason didn't bother to mention to Moses.

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#43 Dec 1, 2012
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Its a sin to tell a lie
.
So can it; sugar
AMEN...and done so sweetly!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#44 Dec 1, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Sometimes men are the complimentary sex to men and sometimes women are the complimentary sex to women ...
... and that's why you flunked Bio 101.

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