Church Does Not Own Marriage Definition

Church Does Not Own Marriage Definition

There are 18 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Feb 25, 2012, titled Church Does Not Own Marriage Definition. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

"Some believe the Government has no right to change it at all; they want to leave tradition alone.

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Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#1 Feb 25, 2012
It always amazes me, but shouldn't, how arrogant religious groups can be. Their spokespeople speak publicly as though their particular religious group speaks for all religions when they clearly don't.

On the matter of same-sex marriage there are some religious groups that don't approve, but there are religious groups that do approve. Which group gets to decide? Should one group get to decide for all the others?

Perhaps the religious groups should keep their noses out of secular issues (marriage is a legal contract after all) and stop presuming to dictate to everyone including those outside their group. Then they might find that the laws can be written, like they were in Canada when same-sex marriage was legalized, so that religious groups are free to celebrate same-sex marriages or not without infringing on the rights of anyone outside their own group. Just like the laws were written with regard to divorce -- Catholics for instance are free to refuse to recognize divorce within their churches if they so choose without affecting the legal status of divorce for anyone else.
Ivan

Pekin, IL

#2 Feb 25, 2012
Homofascists don't have the right to force their concocted, failed redefinition of marriage into law, contrary to the will of the electorate.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#3 Feb 25, 2012
Well Lord Carey it was the catholic church that decreed marriage to be the "traditional marriage" we have today in most of the world and you just hate losing your perceived authority.

And for the record Martin Luther had been eventually murdered by the catholic church for leaving the church and causing so many to follow. Plus Martin Luther forbid his followers to call themselves Lutherans as they wanted. But after his death they went against his wishes. Martin Luther had been the start of the reformation which gave others such as William Tyndale the courage to fit catholic oppression in Europe.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#4 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
Homofascists don't have the right to force their concocted, failed redefinition of marriage into law, contrary to the will of the electorate.
When basic human rights are at the whim of the majority no one is free. I'm sure that you are a minority in some way -- your religion, your race, your ethnicity. Are you really willing to have your basic human rights evaporate should the majority feel you're no longer popular?
hi hi

Pottstown, PA

#5 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
Homofascists don't have the right to force their concocted, failed redefinition of marriage into law, contrary to the will of the electorate.
According to antigay vitriol such as this, gay people have no right to exist or else something is being "forced" upon others. Gay people have no rights whatsoever, or else something is being "forced" upon others.

If you're going to vomit this definition upon the boards, then live with it. Live with it. And be well aware that I'm glad their definitions are being stuffed and stomped down your throat.

I couldn't be happier to see you choking on it.

But mark my words, if you're going to open your snout and vomit things like this publicly,*live with the very definition you claim to be truth*, and stop crying about it like a satanic, Nazi ditch pig.
Ivan

Pekin, IL

#6 Feb 25, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
When basic human rights are at the whim of the majority no one is free. I'm sure that you are a minority in some way -- your religion, your race, your ethnicity. Are you really willing to have your basic human rights evaporate should the majority feel you're no longer popular?
The hate based movement promoting homosexual 'marriage' is anti-democratic and an ATTACK on human rights. It is quite the opposite of the Civil Rights Movement, which promoted enfranchisement. You hateful anti-Christian bigots are promoting DISenfranchisement of voters on the legal definition of marriage.

There is no rational argument for homosexual 'mariage.' It has no basis in homosexual life and homosexuals themselves have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected it in every country that allows it!
Mona Lott

Northport, NY

#7 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
Homofascists don't have the right to force their concocted, failed redefinition of marriage into law, contrary to the will of the electorate.
Watch us. We win in Court BECAUSE of religious animus from retards like you. So PLEASE, keep bitching.
Romney s Hair Olympics

Media, PA

#8 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
Homofascists don't have the right....
Facts suggest otherwise, loon.

Now go back to stalking your ex wife.
Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Feb 25, 2012
The catholic church wants to interfere with the workings of government in the state of Minnesota and has given $650,000 to the campaign to put bigotry into our constitution (and spent even more within the church). Do you really want a group that hid pedophiles in their ranks for years telling you what is moral or worse yet being involved with making governmental decisions?
Ivan

Pekin, IL

#10 Feb 25, 2012
Truth wrote:
The catholic church wants to interfere with the workings of government in the state of Minnesota and has given $650,000 to the campaign to put bigotry into our constitution (and spent even more within the church). Do you really want a group that hid pedophiles in their ranks for years telling you what is moral or worse yet being involved with making governmental decisions?
The priest abuse scandal involved little pedophilia. It was more than 80% homosexual in nature and primarily involved young men at or beyond puberty.

Why do you think people of faith should be disenfranchised to that your concocted failed oxymoron be forced into law?

You do know that homosexuals themselves have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected 'marriage' in EVERY country that allows it?

Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie with no real basis in how homosexuals live.

No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage!

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#11 Feb 25, 2012
No the church does not own CIVIL marriage.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#12 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
<quoted text>The hate based movement promoting homosexual 'marriage' is anti-democratic and an ATTACK on human rights. It is quite the opposite of the Civil Rights Movement, which promoted enfranchisement. You hateful anti-Christian bigots are promoting DISenfranchisement of voters on the legal definition of marriage.
There is no rational argument for homosexual 'mariage.' It has no basis in homosexual life and homosexuals themselves have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected it in every country that allows it!
Seriously -- you need to see a doctor NOW because you are clearly having some sort of psychotic break from reality. Call 911 and admit yourself to the hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else.

Since: Apr 08

Cleveland, OH

#13 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan wrote:
You do know that homosexuals themselves have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected 'marriage' in EVERY country that allows it?
Homosexual 'marriage' is a cruel lie with no real basis in how homosexuals live.
No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage!
And again you prove you haven't a clue about the topic.

I'm gay and guess what? I'm happily married to my same-sex spouse. We're Canadian and in Canada same-sex marriage has been legal since about 2003. We will be celebrating our 22nd anniversary this year. That's 22 years of being in a committed monogamous relationship.

We have two wonderful kids we're raising. And our families completely support us both in being married and in raising a family.

We know lots of same-sex couples who are legally married, and lots of same-sex couples who are raising kids.

The fact that we exist throws your argument out the window. Basic rights don't depend on a minimum number regardless in order to be considered valid.
Micah

Jasper, AL

#14 Feb 25, 2012
Ivan is David from Pekin (or formerly from Pekin or whatever). He's just pi$$ed off that his heterosexual marriage was a cruel lie with no real basis in how he lives.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#15 Feb 25, 2012
fr Ivan (aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL):

>Homofascists don't have the right to force their concocted, failed redefinition of marriage into law, contrary to the will of the electorate.<

Hey, Davy, quit spamming the board. We all know that it's YOU.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#16 Feb 25, 2012
fr "Ivan" aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL:

>...There is no rational argument for homosexual 'mariage.' It has no basis in homosexual life and homosexuals themselves have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected it in every country that allows it! <

Prove it. Use REAL statistics from REAL medical websites. Anything from the "cwa" or the "frc" or the "afa" will immediately be regarded as trash, and not accepted.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#17 Feb 25, 2012
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
And again you prove you haven't a clue about the topic.
I'm gay and guess what? I'm happily married to my same-sex spouse. We're Canadian and in Canada same-sex marriage has been legal since about 2003. We will be celebrating our 22nd anniversary this year. That's 22 years of being in a committed monogamous relationship.
We have two wonderful kids we're raising. And our families completely support us both in being married and in raising a family.
We know lots of same-sex couples who are legally married, and lots of same-sex couples who are raising kids.
The fact that we exist throws your argument out the window. Basic rights don't depend on a minimum number regardless in order to be considered valid.
Wow! 22 years, congratulations. It is really hard for some heterosexual homophobes to understand the marriage thing because they have failed at it so they feel a need to interfere with loving relationships of others, it takes their own minds off their failures.

“Gay & Proud & Lawfully Married”

Since: Jan 07

Porterville CA

#18 Feb 26, 2012
Actually the Irish courts established "Affinitive Kinship Rights" and legally bound them to the word Marriage in 1349 which established the "Legal Definition of Marriage". At that time the only way to establish Affinitive Kinship was through "Blood, Birth or Marriage". In the 1920s it was amended to include Adoption. All the Rights, Responsibilities, and Privileges covered under the Supposed Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) are Affinitive Kinship Rights. If Affinitive Kinship were to be amended to include "Civil Unions" or "Domestic Partnerships" that would take religion out of the picture and grant ALL those Rights, Responsibilities, and Privileges to Same Sex couples without having to use the "Word" Marriage. Maybe all this money expended on the stupid Anti Same Sex Marriage Bill, Ballot Initiatives, and Court Battles could be better spent working on this issue.

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