Largest US Protestant churches on gay...

Largest US Protestant churches on gay clergy

There are 311 comments on the The Oregonian story from Feb 28, 2010, titled Largest US Protestant churches on gay clergy. In it, The Oregonian reports that:

A look at where the largest Protestant churches in the United States stand on gay clergy: ?UNITED METHODIST CHURCH: 7.9 million U.S. members.

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#21 Feb 28, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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That answer I gave was not in answer to the statement you make here.
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Frank Stanton

Ballston Spa, NY

#22 Feb 28, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Frank...meet Joe. He is our CHAMPION TWISTER player.
"Frank... meet Joe" I HAVE that porn movie !

LOL

:)
Stu

France

#23 Feb 28, 2010
Of the four largest religious bodies, homosexual clergy is really only under discussion in one, the smallest, the declining ELCA. Catholics, Southern Baptists, and Mormons don't allow it.
Frank Stanton

Ballston Spa, NY

#24 Feb 28, 2010
Stu wrote:
Of the four largest religious bodies, homosexual clergy is really only under discussion in one, the smallest, the declining ELCA. Catholics, Southern Baptists, and Mormons don't allow it.
The Lutheran Church (ELCA) is one of the larger Protestant bodies. In addition to the Lutherans (ELCA), The Episcopal Church and The United Church Of Christ also allow gay clergy. There are other denominations and Christian churches that do also.

I ahve personally known several openly gay clergypersons in the Lutheran Church (ELCA) and The United Church Of Christ.

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#25 Feb 28, 2010
Stu wrote:
Of the four largest religious bodies, homosexual clergy is really only under discussion in one, the smallest, the declining ELCA. Catholics, Southern Baptists, and Mormons don't allow it.
Who do you think is the Minister of Music?

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#26 Mar 1, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Who do you think is the Minister of Music?
The Pied Piper of Hamelin?

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#27 Mar 1, 2010
Akfbks wrote:
... Too many so-called Christians no longer do so and only have opinions. Bishop Robinson was and is correct.
Robinson IS a so-called Christian; not only was his exegisis of Romans incorrect, his "Cliff Notes" remark to CNSNews was condescending as well.

“... truth will out.”

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#28 Mar 1, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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That answer I gave was not in answer to the statement you make here.
As was your gratuitous post abt churchs not welcoming gay parishoners -- not only is this not true, it had nothing to do w/this story, which was abt churches that allow gay clergy.

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#29 Mar 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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But how do you square that w/scripture?
I still recall how foolish Bp. Robinson sounded when he explained to CNSNews that Paul's admonition against homosexuality (Romans 1) was only intended for heterosexuals!
I also eat rotated crops and wear blended fabric.

God doesn't change but our understanding of Him sure does, if you have a relationship with Him.

Now go out and stone some drunks......

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#30 Mar 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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The story is where these churches stand on gay clergy, not gay parishoners.
Unless they are gay and denied communion.

Arrogant old men........

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#31 Mar 1, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Robinson IS a so-called Christian; not only was his exegisis of Romans incorrect, his "Cliff Notes" remark to CNSNews was condescending as well.
Judge much. Who made you God this week?

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#32 Mar 1, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Judge much. Who made you God this week?
His obsession with Bishop Gene is revealing....

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#33 Mar 1, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
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His obsession with Bishop Gene is revealing....
Sorry..he is in a committed relationship of long standing. In other words, he's taken. All the good ones are either taken or gay...this time both. LOL!!!!!!

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#34 Mar 1, 2010
MiddleWay wrote:
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I also eat rotated crops and wear blended fabric ...
That's surprising, considering your sect never left the OT.
MiddleWay wrote:
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His obsession with Bishop Gene is revealing....
Robinson is recorded as having said even more questionable things on this forum than you have.
Akfbks

Anchorage, AK

#35 Mar 1, 2010
John Eastburn Boswell,
Bishop Gene Robinson,
Daniel A. Helminiak,
Patrick M. Chapman,

and more scholars of NT and OT now verify that there is no condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible. One really does not need their scholarship to explain to the world that what you read in the Bible is no condemnation of homosexuality. But they help make clear Bible passages speaking about homosexualty really means. Sure one can look up Hebrew and Greek words in order to verify English translations but their efforts make it so much easier.
Think Again

Bailey, NC

#36 Mar 1, 2010
Akfbks wrote:
John Eastburn Boswell,
Bishop Gene Robinson,
Daniel A. Helminiak,
Patrick M. Chapman,
and more scholars of NT and OT now verify that there is no condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible. One really does not need their scholarship to explain to the world that what you read in the Bible is no condemnation of homosexuality. But they help make clear Bible passages speaking about homosexualty really means. Sure one can look up Hebrew and Greek words in order to verify English translations but their efforts make it so much easier.
4 out of 4 authors that you list above are gay. Boswell's work has been found flawed and even called "advocacy scholarship" by many of his peers.

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#37 Mar 1, 2010
Akfbks wrote:
John Eastburn Boswell,
Bishop Gene Robinson,
Daniel A. Helminiak,
Patrick M. Chapman,
and more scholars of NT and OT now verify that there is no condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible. One really does not need their scholarship to explain to the world that what you read in the Bible is no condemnation of homosexuality. But they help make clear Bible passages speaking about homosexualty really means. Sure one can look up Hebrew and Greek words in order to verify English translations but their efforts make it so much easier.
Keep it com9ng...I need more of this and less of the others.

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#38 Mar 1, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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4 out of 4 authors that you list above are gay. Boswell's work has been found flawed and even called "advocacy scholarship" by many of his peers.
Very helpful, thanks TA.

Helpful, but I must say not suprising.

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#39 Mar 1, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
<quoted text>Keep it com9ng...I need more of this and less of the others.
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

No wonder you don't like Paul. He was right onto people like you.
Akfbks

Anchorage, AK

#40 Mar 1, 2010
I don't see the introduction of Romans to single out what Paul understands culturally about homosexuality as at all important in his message to the Jews about their infidelity as opposed to Gentiles and their lack of fidelity. Homosexuality is simply not the message in Paul's introduction.

"Paul's argumentation in this chapter [3] is not very systematic. Sometimes he argues with an imaginary opponent, sometimes with himself. His reasons are at most mere hints. Once he begins a multiple answer (saying, "In the first place"), but he never continues it. It all sounds like echoes of synagogue debates." JBC [53:32-34].

This commentary goes on to say that the above quote in relation to the rest of the letter is in dispute. The relationship depends on the "utterances of God." This is what comes next.

"3. What if some of them were unfaithful?" What does Paul mean by "some?" Does this mean that God's faithfulness to Israel is nullified? God's fidelity, divine utterances, man's wickedness; what does it all mean?
"If David's infidelity does not nullify God's fidelity, but rather makes it manifest, then man's wickedness will bring about the manifestation of divine uprightness (the attribute, see comment on 1:17).
JBC [53:35-36]

This is the like of what Christian churches are up against. They are facing that fact that modern translations are incorrectly translated. Christianity is also facing the fact that Fundamnetalism is not traditional Christianity. Christians need to fall back on their history of Christian thought and re-evaluated this Fundamentalist move of literally reading the Bible. The correct and traditional way of reading the Bible has been to use the critical read; historical and cultural understanding goes a long way in deciding what a translation should be. One can not just read the Bible literally and call that the Word of God. It is a hard lesson but if not headed Christians will no longer be Christians and issues like justice will no longer be recognised.

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