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Bill O'Reilly: Telling a Gay Person They're Going to Hell Should Be Illegal

There are 13 comments on the www.towleroad.com story from Jul 10, 2013, titled Bill O'Reilly: Telling a Gay Person They're Going to Hell Should Be Illegal. In it, www.towleroad.com reports that:

Bill O'Reilly still has some tricks up his sleeve: on his show last night, the Fox News host expressed a belief that telling a gay person "you're going to Hell" should be illegal--at least, in some instances.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2 Jul 10, 2013
Tough luck Mr. O REALLY but I'll fight for anyone's right to say what they feel (Unlike you). Even people who trigger nausea in me.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#4 Jul 10, 2013
I watch Bill O'Reilly every day he's on (FOX RULES !:))

I disagree with him on this. And I've heard him say on-air that he is FOR equal marriage rights for LGBT people, and I've heard him say he's AGAINST it. So I don't know he stands on this.

“RAINBOW POWER!”

Since: Oct 08

I Am What I Am.

#6 Jul 10, 2013
I disagree with Bill O'Reilly too, and I'm rather shocked to hear him say it.
Cole

Chicago, IL

#7 Jul 10, 2013
Why does Bill O'Reilly feel that telling the truth should be illegal?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#8 Jul 10, 2013
Bill seems to have some sort of impediment understanding that in the UK, they have different laws and "free speech" is very narrowly defined.

And I have always been impressed with Mr. Stossel. I always considered him pretty sharp and astute; even erudite.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#10 Jul 10, 2013
DNF wrote:
Bill seems to have some sort of impediment understanding that in the UK, they have different laws and "free speech" is very narrowly defined.
And I have always been impressed with Mr. Stossel. I always considered him pretty sharp and astute; even erudite.
Mr. Stossel is an VERY OUTSPOKEN, AVOWED LIBERTARIAN. He and O'Reilly often disagree.

Since: May 12

Livonia, MI

#12 Jul 10, 2013
Denny wrote:
Queers burn in hell.
WOO HOO
And we throw the best parties too!!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#14 Jul 11, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Stossel is an VERY OUTSPOKEN, AVOWED LIBERTARIAN. He and O'Reilly often disagree.
Oh so we're talking again (giggles).
Anyway yes I guess that's why I like him so much. He usually really knows what he's talking about. Thanks.

Hey BTW what's the word on the ministers here in the US who vowed to oppose the DOMA decision if it ruled in our favor?

Were they all arrested? Did the Verizon scandal have anything to do with it?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Jul 11, 2013
Cole wrote:
Why does Bill O'Reilly feel that telling the truth should be illegal?
Good point. And this may surprise you but we agree in one very distinct way. Though of course I don't think gays and lesbians go to hell (I don't believe in hell, though I am a Christian), I also will never try to make it illegal for someone to publicly express their religious views.
Once we start trying to ban one form of speech, we as a species tend to start the ball rolling toward banning more and more forms of speech.
Religious truths, much like political ones, are seldom as rigid as we insist. Like much of what makes us human; sexual orientation for example, they are very fluid.
This is why even insisting one definition of what one word means can be dangerous. Marriage is both a noun and a verb. It has multiple meanings just as the words nurse or harvest do.
Tyrants have always found that they can win if they can control the language. Though you and I may disagree on who is going to hell, homosexuality, or abortion, one thin g we both agree on is the importance of speaking out so we keep tyranny at bay.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#17 Jul 11, 2013
Speech is punished all the time in this country, you can't threaten harm to someone, it's assault/making a terroristic threat. Yelling fire in a crowded theater can be a criminal act, if there is no fire. The question here is whether these fine Christians can actually cross that line by telling us to our face, when we don't want to hear it, that we are going to hell?

I've had to listen to the freak show of hate for hours on end on several occasions, you don't get in their face, they won't go there with you. The only freakout by a true believer that I think came pretty darn close to that line, an anti-smoker who started shrieking at me about the dangers of second hand smoke and smoking in public spaces when she spotted me with an unlit cigarette in my mouth in the Staten Island ferry terminal. Seeing her led away in handcuffs would have been no problem whatsoever. The best I got was the Port Authority's finest telling the loon to move on and me to wait until I get outside to get out a cigarette to avoid it happening again.

When they are actually getting in your face, uninvited to be there, threatening you with what they pray is God's judgment, or killing every one in the room with lung cancer, or whatever in the heck is their freak out is related to, that's crossing a line. There should be more to "fighting words" than just threatening to beat the brains out of someone.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#19 Jul 13, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
Speech is punished all the time in this country, you can't threaten harm to someone, it's assault/making a terroristic threat. Yelling fire in a crowded theater can be a criminal act, if there is no fire. The question here is whether these fine Christians can actually cross that line by telling us to our face, when we don't want to hear it, that we are going to hell?
I've had to listen to the freak show of hate for hours on end on several occasions, you don't get in their face, they won't go there with you. The only freakout by a true believer that I think came pretty darn close to that line, an anti-smoker who started shrieking at me about the dangers of second hand smoke and smoking in public spaces when she spotted me with an unlit cigarette in my mouth in the Staten Island ferry terminal. Seeing her led away in handcuffs would have been no problem whatsoever. The best I got was the Port Authority's finest telling the loon to move on and me to wait until I get outside to get out a cigarette to avoid it happening again.
When they are actually getting in your face, uninvited to be there, threatening you with what they pray is God's judgment, or killing every one in the room with lung cancer, or whatever in the heck is their freak out is related to, that's crossing a line. There should be more to "fighting words" than just threatening to beat the brains out of someone.
In this we agree. I don't think either of us opposes anyone's right to express their opinion. And we both agree that actions have consequences.

It's when we start labeling things as "hate speech" that the problem gets very complicated. As smokers, neither you nor I would ever try to have someone jailed for speaking out against smoking. But if they were calling for others to harm smokers that's a different animal, much like the laws regarding inciting to riot and the others you mentioned.

This is why I dislike the term "hate speech". One man's trash is always another man's treasure.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#20 Jul 13, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>In this we agree. I don't think either of us opposes anyone's right to express their opinion. And we both agree that actions have consequences.
It's when we start labeling things as "hate speech" that the problem gets very complicated. As smokers, neither you nor I would ever try to have someone jailed for speaking out against smoking. But if they were calling for others to harm smokers that's a different animal, much like the laws regarding inciting to riot and the others you mentioned.
This is why I dislike the term "hate speech". One man's trash is always another man's treasure.
For me, it's not about content, but conduct. If someone deliberately invades another person's personal space to deliver any message to them in a deliberately uncivil manner, they are committing a verbal assault against them. It shouldn't matter if its a whacked out Christian telling a gay person they are going to hell or some whacked out moron yelling at a McDonald's worker for forgetting the f*cking french fries. You get in their face about it, you cross the line from free speech to criminal conduct.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#21 Jul 13, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>For me, it's not about content, but conduct. If someone deliberately invades another person's personal space to deliver any message to them in a deliberately uncivil manner, they are committing a verbal assault against them. It shouldn't matter if its a whacked out Christian telling a gay person they are going to hell or some whacked out moron yelling at a McDonald's worker for forgetting the f*cking french fries. You get in their face about it, you cross the line from free speech to criminal conduct.
That makes perfect sense to me. Thanks Rick. BTW glad to hear you got that message problem of yours resolved. I've had several people ask me for your addy. Let me first say that if I had it I'd never pass it along without prior permission. But I have explained that you've had a lot of problems with the Topix Message service and turned it off.

Secondly allow me once again to thank you for your insights, observations and great story selections.

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