Santa Ysabel Tribe (CA) Recognizes Sa...

Santa Ysabel Tribe (CA) Recognizes Same-Sex Marriage

There are 6 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Santa Ysabel Tribe (CA) Recognizes Same-Sex Marriage. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The Santa Ysabel tribe in California announced that they are recognizing same-sex marriages as the hours tick by to the US Supreme Court's ruling.

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#1 Jun 26, 2013
Thank you, Great Elder Perez!

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#2 Jun 26, 2013
Great news but the reporting is a bit sloppy. Native American reservations in the US and First Nations bands in Canada are not sovereign nations. They are best classified as autonomous local governments. A sovereign nation is one that has its own foreign relations and generally its own military, as well as a seat in the UN. There are regions that have their own governments and militias and consider themselves sovereign but are not recognized as such by the rest of the world: Examples are Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia in Georgia, and the Turkish speaking part of Cyprus. But indigenous peoples in North America are not in that category either.

I would love to see indigenous people have greater sovereignty and authority, but it presents challenges due to the current social and economic issues they face within their own communities. In particular, it would be nice if most of the area north of the Artic cicle (perhaps excepting the Norwegian portion and Murmansk) could become an independent confederation of peoples who would protect the environment there.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#3 Jun 26, 2013
From the Wikipedia article on sovereignty:

"The concept of sovereignty has been discussed throughout history, from the time of the Romans through to the present day. It has changed in its definition, concept, and application throughout, especially during the Age of Enlightenment. The current notion of state sovereignty contains four aspects consisting of territory, population, authority and recognition.[3] According to Stephen D. Krasner, the term could also be understood in four different ways:

domestic sovereignty – actual control over a state exercised by an authority organized within this state,
interdependence sovereignty – actual control of movement across state's borders, assuming the borders exist,
international legal sovereignty – formal recognition by other sovereign states,
Westphalian sovereignty – lack of other authority over state than the domestic authority (examples of such other authorities could be a non-domestic church, a non-domestic political organization, or any other external agent)."

Locally autonomous regions posess only the first of these characteristics.

Since: Mar 09

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#4 Jun 26, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
Great news but the reporting is a bit sloppy. Native American reservations in the US and First Nations bands in Canada are not sovereign nations. They are best classified as autonomous local governments. A sovereign nation is one that has its own foreign relations and generally its own military, as well as a seat in the UN. There are regions that have their own governments and militias and consider themselves sovereign but are not recognized as such by the rest of the world: Examples are Chechnya in Russia, Abkhazia in Georgia, and the Turkish speaking part of Cyprus. But indigenous peoples in North America are not in that category either.
I would love to see indigenous people have greater sovereignty and authority, but it presents challenges due to the current social and economic issues they face within their own communities. In particular, it would be nice if most of the area north of the Artic cicle (perhaps excepting the Norwegian portion and Murmansk) could become an independent confederation of peoples who would protect the environment there.
Excuse me, but the Iipay Nation of Santa Ysabel in San Diego IS an Independent Nation, such as it is.

They've said that we're welcome at their diner and casino.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#5 Jun 26, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Excuse me, but the Iipay Nation of Santa Ysabel in San Diego IS an Independent Nation, such as it is.
They've said that we're welcome at their diner and casino.
"indepedent" ~= "sovereign"

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#6 Jun 26, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
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"indepedent" ~= "sovereign"
Good point, but in this case, they are.

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