Court blocks California law banning gay therapy

Dec 21, 2012 Full story: Sacramento Bee Newspaper 109

A federal appeals court on Friday put the brakes on a first-of-its-kind California law that bans therapy aimed at turning gay minors straight.

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Crooked liberal media

Concord, CA

#31 Dec 22, 2012
At the deepest possible level of the human mind - the genetic level - homosexuality and pedophilia represent disease and starvation.

That is why a majority of the human race finds homosexuality and pedophilia repugnant. There are no phobias involved. People are literally designed to find these behaviors repugnant. It is similar to why people find the smell of human and animal waste to also be foul and repugnant. Both are part of the survival instinct.

This is reality. It simply is what it is.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#32 Dec 22, 2012
Heterosexuals aversions aren't based upon genetics. Just like hatred its a learned behavior, often from people like yourself. Ignorance is generational.
Crooked liberal media wrote:
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Actually, I am a rocket scientist.
Don't confuse reality for bigotry. Nature and reality are what they are...There's no imposing human concepts of bigotry and intolerance on nature and reality. They simply are what they are, and they don't care about your opinions and world view.
Jane Pudenda

Hoboken, NJ

#33 Dec 22, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
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"You think they need healing?"
The key here is that there are homosexuals who want to change and believe they can be helped, and that there are many documented cases where therapy has worked. Contrary to what the homosexuals preach, not all human sexuality is locked up tight against either end of the sexuality spectrum.
Every human being has a right to self-determination, and that is what the courts are defending.
There are ZERO documented cases where the therapy has worked. It's NOT THERAPY!!! It's religion wearing a lab coat. Every single one of these "reparative therapies" is nothing but a sugar coated mouthful of Jesus and that's NOT therapy.

And by the way, it's not what the "homosexuals preach." It is the consensus of EVERY major medical, sociological professional organization.
Jane Pudenda

Hoboken, NJ

#34 Dec 22, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
At the deepest possible level of the human mind - the genetic level - homosexuality and pedophilia represent disease and starvation.
...yawn... another blowhard, how exciting
Jane Pudenda

Hoboken, NJ

#35 Dec 22, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
The issue is moot. Although it's good to see the court step in to stop unconstitutional laws put forth by radical leftwing liberal tyrants.
Homosexuality is genetic. And so is heterosexual aversion to homosexuality. Early human groups frowned upon homosexuality and pedophilia. These behaviors needlessly spread diseases and wasted limited resources without the benefit of producing offspring.
You are so full of shit. Early human groups thought "bad air" and witches caused disease, not homosexuals.

What a maroon.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#36 Dec 22, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
The issue is moot. Although it's good to see the court step in to stop unconstitutional laws put forth by radical leftwing liberal tyrants.
Homosexuality is genetic. And so is heterosexual aversion to homosexuality. Early human groups frowned upon homosexuality and pedophilia. These behaviors needlessly spread diseases and wasted limited resources without the benefit of producing offspring.
There is no such thing as homophobia. Heterosexual aversion to homosexuality is a genetic characteristic built in to human beings - it is part of the survival instinct.
Greeks.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#37 Dec 22, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Please reread my post ... carefully.
I didn't see your screenname when posting otherwise I'd have known differently. I had mistaken you for a homophobe posting earlier in the thread. I was tired last night.
Occupy this

Clearlake, CA

#39 Dec 22, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
At the deepest possible level of the human mind - the genetic level - homosexuality and pedophilia represent disease and starvation.
That is why a majority of the human race finds homosexuality and pedophilia repugnant. There are no phobias involved. People are literally designed to find these behaviors repugnant. It is similar to why people find the smell of human and animal waste to also be foul and repugnant. Both are part of the survival instinct.
This is reality. It simply is what it is.
Brilliant analysis. Most human behavior in terms of group culture have been shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. The group seeks to do what is good for the group.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are not good for the group, and in fact, were a serious threat to the group early on...in the ancient past. Homosexual activity and pedophilia (closely related behaviors) was as much as a threat to early groups of humans/pre-humans as contaminating food and water supplies with feces.

Ever wonder why feces "smells bad?" Because we are designed to dislike the smell - in order to help ensure our survival.

It's simple and true. But isn't everything mankind discovers about nature, simple and true...

Nature is not politically correct. But nature doesn't care.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#40 Dec 22, 2012
Homosexuality is somehow related to old men liking child brides and little girls?

Do tell.
Occupy this

Clearlake, CA

#41 Dec 22, 2012
snyper wrote:
Homosexuality is somehow related to old men liking child brides and little girls?
Do tell.
Not quite. A disproportionate number of homosexuals are also pedophiles - compared to the heterosexual population.

It stands to reason of course. Homosexuality and pedophilia are both abnormal forms of sexuality.

Criminal behavior too is closely related to homosexuality and pedophilia.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#42 Dec 22, 2012
Occupy this wrote:
<quoted text>
Not quite. A disproportionate number of homosexuals are also pedophiles - compared to the heterosexual population.
It stands to reason of course. Homosexuality and pedophilia are both abnormal forms of sexuality.
Criminal behavior too is closely related to homosexuality and pedophilia.
... and you can provide evidence for your assertions?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#44 Dec 23, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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Hey freak, provide evidence that you don't su:ck d:ck or take one up the A$$. See how that works, freak??? LMFAO
It would have been fewer keystrokes for you to just type "no."

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#45 Dec 23, 2012
Your Mom run out of Troll Cereal did she?

Must be, you came. Here to be fed.
Occupy this wrote:
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Not quite. A disproportionate number of homosexuals are also pedophiles - compared to the heterosexual population.
It stands to reason of course. Homosexuality and pedophilia are both abnormal forms of sexuality.
Criminal behavior too is closely related to homosexuality and pedophilia.
Fitz

Roseville, MI

#46 Dec 23, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I am a rocket scientist.
Don't confuse reality for bigotry. Nature and reality are what they are...There's no imposing human concepts of bigotry and intolerance on nature and reality. They simply are what they are, and they don't care about your opinions and world view.
Indeed..."facts are stuborn things"

The gay mind cant handle fact..

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#47 Dec 24, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I am a rocket scientist.
Don't confuse reality for bigotry. Nature and reality are what they are...There's no imposing human concepts of bigotry and intolerance on nature and reality. They simply are what they are, and they don't care about your opinions and world view.
Be careful not to equate natural with ethical. Natural or learned, bigotry is unethical by human standards. If what you say is true, you're not the only scientist in this room.
Crooked liberal media

Kent, WA

#48 Dec 24, 2012
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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Be careful not to equate natural with ethical. Natural or learned, bigotry is unethical by human standards. If what you say is true, you're not the only scientist in this room.
Did you learn to dislike the smell of feces? No, you didn't. Heterosexual aversion to homosexuality and pedophilia is not a learned behavior.

Is it unethical to find pedophilia repugnant?

I think you need to reevaluate your reasoning on this issue. If objectivity is paramount - as it must be for good science - then you need to eliminate your emotions concerning this issue.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#49 Dec 24, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
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Did you learn to dislike the smell of feces? No, you didn't. Heterosexual aversion to homosexuality and pedophilia is not a learned behavior.
Is it unethical to find pedophilia repugnant?
I think you need to reevaluate your reasoning on this issue. If objectivity is paramount - as it must be for good science - then you need to eliminate your emotions concerning this issue.
Behavioral genetics is still an emergent field of study, and regardless of the validity of its observations, you should avoid contriving any sort of moral or ethical philosophy based upon those findings. As you said, objectivity is paramount for good science, and I agree, but this conversation is not about science. It is about ethics. Moreover, the arguement you just offered fails by its own merits. For example, the reason the human tounge can taste bitter flavors evolved to help our species avoid eating poisonous foods, but that does not mean lemonade is somehow bad for you. Aversion to the weak, sick, or wounded is common in the animal kingdom; wild horses will even kill a newborn foal if it cannot immediately walk, but again, natural does not translate into "right". Nature might tempt a man to kill another man for sleeping with his wife, but if he's caught, he's still going to jail for murder. I personally doubt the assertion that aversion to homosexuality is natural in part because homosexuality is present in all animal populations, but I could also turm the logic on its head to use that observation to say it must be right because it's natural.*shakes head* No matter how one examines the question of so-called natural law, different people will draw starkly different conclusions tinted by personal bias. That's not science.

A more plausible explaination for homosexuality in social species is that it keeps the troupe from getting too large. It's been known for a long time now that the chances for having a gay child grow with each pregnancy and recent studies discovered an epigenetic factor in play.
Crooked liberal media

Kent, WA

#50 Dec 24, 2012
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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Behavioral genetics is still an emergent field of study, and regardless of the validity of its observations, you should avoid contriving any sort of moral or ethical philosophy based upon those
Who said anything about a moral or ethical philosophy based on these facts?

If we are expected to accept homosexuality because it is rooted in the genes, then we must accept heterosexual aversion to homosexuality because it is also rooted in the genes.

It is accepted that society does not accept pedophilia. Expecting society to split hairs where homosexuality is concerned is the height of myopia - an all too common characteristic of liberalism.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#51 Dec 24, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
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Who said anything about a moral or ethical philosophy based on these facts?
If we are expected to accept homosexuality because it is rooted in the genes, then we must accept heterosexual aversion to homosexuality because it is also rooted in the genes.
It is accepted that society does not accept pedophilia. Expecting society to split hairs where homosexuality is concerned is the height of myopia - an all too common characteristic of liberalism.
Actually, we chose to not accept pedophilia. It is in our genes to breed as early as possible, and that would include younger people. We decided, yes decided, that it was not acceptable because our younger generations are incapable of making informed decisions and therefore it is wrong for adults to pray on these.

Homosexuality has been historically accepted by everyone, until recent eras it was considered a non-issue. Greeks, Romans, and ancient Egyptians all have several records of homosexuality which are regarded as "meh" by them. Many of them were open and well accepted homosexuals. Incas and Aztecs also have such occurrences, though they never scribed much on it, it was literally that inconsequential to them. Many other species also practice homosexuality. So your entire point is ... well ... pointless, dataless, and based on nothing more than religiously bred intolerance.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#52 Dec 24, 2012
Crooked liberal media wrote:
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Who said anything about a moral or ethical philosophy based on these facts?
If we are expected to accept homosexuality because it is rooted in the genes, then we must accept heterosexual aversion to homosexuality because it is also rooted in the genes.
It is accepted that society does not accept pedophilia. Expecting society to split hairs where homosexuality is concerned is the height of myopia - an all too common characteristic of liberalism.
All I am saying is that natural/unnatural is not the same thing as right/wrong. Arguing natural law is a mistake frequently made by people on both sides of this debate. I see no reason for disparaging homosexuality regardless of its biological origin because we're talking about consensual relationships here. If it turned out pedophilia has some kind of genetic basis, it remains true there is no excuse for the victimization of a child. They're simply too young in mind to issue informed consent in the same way that adults do. If homosexuality is a choice, which I believe it is not, I see it as a matter of person rightfully choosing a partner.

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