Court blocks California law banning gay therapy

Dec 21, 2012 Full story: Sacramento Bee Newspaper 109

A federal appeals court on Friday put the brakes on a first-of-its-kind California law that bans therapy aimed at turning gay minors straight.

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#1 Dec 21, 2012
This was completely predictable.

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#2 Dec 21, 2012
Isn't reparative therapy a form of child abuse? Why is this legal?

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#3 Dec 21, 2012
This is sad. Why should there be any further litigation on this issue? The therapy has proven bunk and numerous studies purport that it's harmful. This is not a matter of free speech- rather, it's a matter of professional speech, and therapists should not be attempting SOCE on minors. They are too young to make that decision themselves. I'm sure this law will stand up in court.
Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Dec 21, 2012
It's malpractice.

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#7 Dec 21, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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No it's Therapy, dumb A$$
"Therapy" is practiced by Licensed professionals.

Not the case here.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#8 Dec 21, 2012
NoQ wrote:
Wow, all the Queers are in an uproar now. Afraid one of their own Just might get healed.
Healed? You think they need healing? You are sick, just for that.

But just to address your point, you call permanent damage to them "healed?"

http://www.livescience.com/25082-gay-conversi...

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#9 Dec 21, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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No it's Therapy, dumb A$$
I'm a dumb ass now? Trying to change a child to something they are not against their will and they have no say so in the therapy their parents are forcing them to have is not a form of mental and emotional abuse? Why is it that conservatives like you are always so quick to cuss everyone out in such a hateful way and you wonder why we call you hateful bigots?

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#10 Dec 21, 2012
snyper wrote:
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"Therapy" is practiced by Licensed professionals.
Not the case here.
It's not condoned or approved by the American Psychological Association. It's not therapy, it's ABUSE!

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#11 Dec 22, 2012
equalityboy81 wrote:
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It's not condoned or approved by the American Psychological Association. It's not therapy, it's ABUSE!
Please reread my post ... carefully.

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#13 Dec 22, 2012
Ray wrote:
Being gay is a "mental disorder" so why is it wrong to make sure that someone really is gay and not just experimenting?
Both APAs say it is not.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#15 Dec 22, 2012
NoQ wrote:
Wow, all the Queers are in an uproar now. Afraid one of their own Just might get healed.
Nope, it is impossible to change ones sexuality. How long would it take to turn YOU gay? That's about how long it would take to turn me straight.

These so called clinics, from what I have read, are only set up to make MONEY. Look at that big fat load "Dr." Marcus Bachmann. His vile clinic, and all the others, usually charge untold thousands and thousands of dollars. He even accepted beaucoup federal dollars. Why shouldn't they? It's a great gig and is endless. It's like setting up a "cure" for blue eyes. You can wear brown contacts, but they won't change a thing.

Even the most HOLY of holy rollers and bogus professionals all admit that their money tossing clients are never cured, but learn to try to ignore their true sexuality and must fight it every day of their life. Sounds real fulfilling!

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#16 Dec 22, 2012
Ray wrote:
Being gay is a "mental disorder" so why is it wrong to make sure that someone really is gay and not just experimenting?
Really, why are you so interested? Want to take a walk on the wild side? I could experiment with women all day long and it would produce ZERO results. When I was much much younger I tried a few times and not only did I NOT get to first base, I didn't even get into the ball park, but changed my mind at the parking lot.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#21 Dec 22, 2012
Pig Mania wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Curt, just though you might like two know I'm on my way to Chick-Fil-A for breakfast.
WOO HOO
On your way, spin by and blow me, bitch.
JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#22 Dec 22, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Healed? You think they need healing? You are sick, just for that.
But just to address your point, you call permanent damage to them "healed?"
http://www.livescience.com/25082-gay-conversi...
"You think they need healing?"
The key here is that there are homosexuals who want to change and believe they can be helped, and that there are many documented cases where therapy has worked. Contrary to what the homosexuals preach, not all human sexuality is locked up tight against either end of the sexuality spectrum.
Every human being has a right to self-determination, and that is what the courts are defending.
Anne

Houston, MO

#25 Dec 22, 2012
Ray wrote:
Being gay is a "mental disorder" so why is it wrong to make sure that someone really is gay and not just experimenting?
When did that concept come up, a mental disorder, I think it has more to do with the genes. I don't know that therapy can help change what you are but it may help with the confused feeling you have when you are young and know you are different but just can't put your finger on it. My nephew was in his late teens before he told his parents, he said from the time he was little he knew he was different from other kids but didn't know exactly what it was. He realized as he got older that he was gay. Having therapy may have sorted out his feeling at a younger age but I don't think it can change anything. Either you're gay or you're not! There is nothing wrong with him mentally, he's a very birght young man, fact is he's a teacher and is very good at what he does too. Being an Aunt I noticed signs of his being gay when he was young, I knew before his mom did and when she told me I told her that I had known for awhile. She asked how I knew and I said well he had more effeminent ways than most boys and he was always kind of a mama's boy too. More so than the rest of your kids, besides I told her as a mother even if you thought he might be, you were probably in denial whereas sort of an outsider looking in, I could tell.When asked how I felt about it, I told her it doesn't change who he is as a person, he's still my nephew. She said I'm so glad you feel that way cause Roger's side of the family(her husband's) treats him like an outcast. At any rate as I said I don't think therapy can change what is, but it could help the turmoil one goes through when realizing you are different from others and help those in denial face up to it and come out of the closet. Odd part is my sister has four kids two boys and two girls, two are of normal sexual persuation. The one boy is gay and one of her daughters is queer, go figure? I guess all I can say is if you have someone gay or queer in your family, try and be a little open minded about it. Cause except for that differnce, it does not change who they are as a person, in that respect they are still the same.

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#26 Dec 22, 2012
Anne, again with the "effeminate" stereotype?
Crooked liberal media

Kent, WA

#27 Dec 22, 2012
The issue is moot. Although it's good to see the court step in to stop unconstitutional laws put forth by radical leftwing liberal tyrants.

Homosexuality is genetic. And so is heterosexual aversion to homosexuality. Early human groups frowned upon homosexuality and pedophilia. These behaviors needlessly spread diseases and wasted limited resources without the benefit of producing offspring.

There is no such thing as homophobia. Heterosexual aversion to homosexuality is a genetic characteristic built in to human beings - it is part of the survival instinct.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#28 Dec 22, 2012
Anne, your post was a pretty good one but really went off the tracks when you started to discuss your sisters children. All of them are NORMAL. What is normal for one person may not be normal for another but each persons sexuality is normal for them. Normal sexual orientations are heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual.

By the way, your niece isn't queer, she's lesbian. Further effeminate is by no means a definition of being gay. Many gay men are extremely masculine and many straight men have effeminate traits. The same goes for hetero and homosexual women, some are very feminine and some are much more masculine regardless of their orientation.
Anne wrote:
<quoted text> When did that concept come up, a mental disorder, I think it has more to do with the genes. I don't know that therapy can help change what you are but it may help with the confused feeling you have when you are young and know you are different but just can't put your finger on it. My nephew was in his late teens before he told his parents, he said from the time he was little he knew he was different from other kids but didn't know exactly what it was. He realized as he got older that he was gay. Having therapy may have sorted out his feeling at a younger age but I don't think it can change anything. Either you're gay or you're not! There is nothing wrong with him mentally, he's a very birght young man, fact is he's a teacher and is very good at what he does too. Being an Aunt I noticed signs of his being gay when he was young, I knew before his mom did and when she told me I told her that I had known for awhile. She asked how I knew and I said well he had more effeminent ways than most boys and he was always kind of a mama's boy too. More so than the rest of your kids, besides I told her as a mother even if you thought he might be, you were probably in denial whereas sort of an outsider looking in, I could tell.When asked how I felt about it, I told her it doesn't change who he is as a person, he's still my nephew. She said I'm so glad you feel that way cause Roger's side of the family(her husband's) treats him like an outcast. At any rate as I said I don't think therapy can change what is, but it could help the turmoil one goes through when realizing you are different from others and help those in denial face up to it and come out of the closet. Odd part is my sister has four kids two boys and two girls, two are of normal sexual persuation. The one boy is gay and one of her daughters is queer, go figure? I guess all I can say is if you have someone gay or queer in your family, try and be a little open minded about it. Cause except for that differnce, it does not change who they are as a person, in that respect they are still the same.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#29 Dec 22, 2012
I suppose we should just be content to realize that you're not a rocket scientist or brain surgeon.

Idiot.
Crooked liberal media wrote:
The issue is moot. Although it's good to see the court step in to stop unconstitutional laws put forth by radical leftwing liberal tyrants.
Homosexuality is genetic. And so is heterosexual aversion to homosexuality. Early human groups frowned upon homosexuality and pedophilia. These behaviors needlessly spread diseases and wasted limited resources without the benefit of producing offspring.
There is no such thing as homophobia. Heterosexual aversion to homosexuality is a genetic characteristic built in to human beings - it is part of the survival instinct.
Crooked liberal media

Concord, CA

#30 Dec 22, 2012
TomInElPaso wrote:
I suppose we should just be content to realize that you're not a rocket scientist or brain surgeon.
Idiot.
<quoted text>
Actually, I am a rocket scientist.

Don't confuse reality for bigotry. Nature and reality are what they are...There's no imposing human concepts of bigotry and intolerance on nature and reality. They simply are what they are, and they don't care about your opinions and world view.

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