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Episcopal church weighs same-sex blessing

There are 114 comments on the Green Bay Press-Gazette story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Episcopal church weighs same-sex blessing. In it, Green Bay Press-Gazette reports that:

The U.S. Episcopal Church is paving its way as the first major religious denomination in the country to bless same-sex relationships ...

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#42 Oct 16, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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Just because someone engages in homosexual behavior, it does not make them homosexual.
That's correct, thus the warning in Leviticus warning of UNNATURAL sex, meaning homosexual acts by heterosexuals.

It's pretty clear when taken in context....

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Stratford, Connecticut.

#43 Oct 16, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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That doesn't change the fact that rape an pedophilia are, in a vast majority of cases, driven by desire for power and control. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.
So it's just a coincidence that the majority of young victims abused by Catholic clergy were males?

The first John Jay study of the clerical abuse of minors reported that 81 percent of those abused by priests were male; in the second study, the percent of males abused by Catholic clergy increased to 90.

Or is that two coincidences?

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The Mountain Empire

#44 Oct 16, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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So it's just a coincidence that the majority of young victims abused by Catholic clergy were males?
The first John Jay study of the clerical abuse of minors reported that 81 percent of those abused by priests were male; in the second study, the percent of males abused by Catholic clergy increased to 90.
Or is that two coincidences?
You really don't understand the psychology of pedophilia, do you.

Do a little research, joline, you just might find understanding of WHY your priests are molesting innocent children.

You probably think rape is about sex, too....

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#45 Oct 16, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>So it's just a coincidence that the majority of young victims abused by Catholic clergy were males?

The first John Jay study of the clerical abuse of minors reported that 81 percent of those abused by priests were male; in the second study, the percent of males abused by Catholic clergy increased to 90.

Or is that two coincidences?
Most churches believe in gender segregation when it comes to schooling. Boys go to the boys school an get taught by male members of the clergy, while girls go to the girls school and get taught by nuns. The reason, I surmise from this, that male priests prey on boys instead of girls is usually circumstance, and opportunity. Nothing more.

And like the above says, if you understood the psychological nature of rape and pedophilia you would understand that it isn't about sex, in a vast majority of cases. Its about power and control over another human being.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#46 Oct 16, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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Most churches believe in gender segregation when it comes to schooling. Boys go to the boys school an get taught by male members of the clergy, while girls go to the girls school and get taught by nuns ...
What nuns?
There aren't enough left for most churches to have a separate residence for them.
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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Just because someone engages in homosexual behavior, it does not make them homosexual.
That would be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, except I've heard it before.

First Openly Gay Episcopal Bishop Says St. Paul Was Condemning Homosexual Acts by Heterosexuals
By Karen Schuberg

( CNSNews.com )– In a section of his New Testament letter to the Romans (1:22-27) dealing with God’s admonitions against same-sex relations, St. Paul was actually writing about heterosexuals who engage in same-sex acts and not homosexuals, said the Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal church ...

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#47 Oct 16, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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The study only dealt with RCC clergy who were practicing sexual predators; there is no data on the demographics of its entire clergy.
Besides, how can anyone accurately determine what priest is, or isn't gay if they are all celibate?
Don't be dumb, Joe.

Look.

You say there is no data. Yet, you report that they have found entire seminaries that are sustaining a "gay" culture. How do they know this? The fact is that they have the data.

The reason the study "only dealt with RCC Clergy" who were predators is because the study itself was done to be able to present a face of action to the parish public.

If they really want to reveal the problem - REVEAL THE PROBLEM - they have to determine who, which, how many are homosexual.

Instead, what are they doing??????????

They are literally threatening the homosexual clergy with extrication and defrocking!

What do you think is going to happen?

They are going to go back into the closet! Then, they are going to find ways to conduct themselves without letting anybody know what they are doing, further creating the fraternal disconnect that segregates and divides them from their parishioners.

This is dishonest and it forces the homosexual priest to behave dishonestly. It compromises any reasonable effort to establish and maintain his personal integrity.

"I am the way, the truth and the life." This is a declaration of personal integrity!

Do you understand that the RCC hierarchy is deliberately choosing a path that institutionalizes the compromise of personal integrity? Wrong way to go.

They should embrace their homosexual priests. Then, they should let them get married to each other! If they can't stand this thought, then send them in bonded pairs over to us and WE will marry them! After a while, we will send them back as a happily married couple and they can continue to conduct their priestly duties with personal integrity in the Church and among the people that they love.

Rev. Ken

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#48 Oct 16, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>What nuns?
There aren't enough left for most churches to have a separate residence for them.

AscendedFalmer wrote, "<quoted text>
Just because someone engages in homosexual behavior, it does not make them homosexual."

That would be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, except I've heard it before.

First Openly Gay Episcopal Bishop Says St. Paul Was Condemning Homosexual Acts by Heterosexuals
By Karen Schuberg

( CNSNews.com )– In a section of his New Testament letter to the Romans (1:22-27) dealing with God’s admonitions against same-sex relations, St. Paul was actually writing about heterosexuals who engage in same-sex acts and not homosexuals, said the Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal church ...
Is it too hard for you to understand?

I'm assuming you don't have a M.D. In Psychology or Psychiatry.

That would be why.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#49 Oct 17, 2012
RevKen wrote:
You say there is no data. Yet, you report that they have found entire seminaries that are sustaining a "gay" culture. How do they know this?...
... because of the number of priest offenders who have graduated from them?

That data they do have.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#50 Oct 17, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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Is it too hard for you to understand?...
Ask yourself that question.

It doesn't take a doctorate degree to realize that an openly Gay Bishop saying St. Paul was condemning homosexual acts by heterosexuals defies logic, as well as King's English.

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#51 Oct 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>Ask yourself that question.

It doesn't take a doctorate degree to realize that an openly Gay Bishop saying St. Paul was condemning homosexual acts by heterosexuals defies logic, as well as King's English.
Apparently, for you, it does.

I understand the nature of rape and pedophilia perfectly well, and I don't have a post doctorate, you're right.

That because I learned it in high school.

So did you finish high school? Maybe you did, and you still don't understand psychology because your shitty school system never offered it to you. Not your fault.

So I'm going to tell you once more, this time coming from someone who has been raped and gone to support groups for people like myself, listened to countless stories.

It's about power, control, and domination.

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#52 Oct 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>Ask yourself that question.

It doesn't take a doctorate degree to realize that an openly Gay Bishop saying St. Paul was condemning homosexual acts by heterosexuals defies logic, as well as King's English.
It doesn't defy logic at all if you understand the nature of rape and pedophilia.

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#53 Oct 17, 2012
St. Paul lived in Rome, where the sexual abuse of boys by older men was commonplace in that time. They didn't have a word for, or even perceived the concept of, homosexuality in that time.

Pretty much everyone was bisexual, or didn't care if you were. Sexuality was a very open thing in those times.

It is this kind of abuse that St. Paul referred to. Rape and pedophilia.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#54 Oct 17, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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Apparently, for you, it does.
I understand the nature of rape and pedophilia perfectly well, and I don't have a post doctorate, you're right.
That because I learned it in high school ... So I'm going to tell you once more, this time coming from someone who has been raped and gone to support groups for people like myself ...
In the analysis of the results of the John Jay study, the sexual orientation of the priests were in question, NOT their male victims who were either forced, or decieved in having sex with them.

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#55 Oct 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... because of the number of priest offenders who have graduated from them?
That data they do have.
LOL!!!....

Well,... If they have THAT set of data, then they HAVE the other set, too.

Only, they don't appear to be so forthcoming with it, do they?

Apparently not.

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#56 Oct 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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In the analysis of the results of the John Jay study, the sexual orientation of the priests were in question, NOT their male victims who were either forced, or decieved in having sex with them.
LOL!!!....

So now you are saying that they DID catalogue the sexual orientation of their priests!

Well,... yes, I believe you are right. They did do this.

So, now, having admitted a significant part of the nature of their studies, how about presenting the statistics that they found?

What percentage of RCC clergy are homosexual and NOT pedophiles?

Rev. Ken

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#57 Oct 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>In the analysis of the results of the John Jay study, the sexual orientation of the priests were in question, NOT their male victims who were either forced, or decieved in having sex with them.
That doesn't change the nature of rape.

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#58 Oct 17, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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That doesn't change the nature of rape.
You're talking to a wall. I've been dealing with his obtuse nature for years now...

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#59 Oct 17, 2012
I love talking to walls. They cant change my mind any more than I can change theirs. But at least I can back up my position with relevant data.

“... truth will out.”

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#60 Oct 17, 2012
RevKen wrote:
... What percentage of RCC clergy are homosexual and NOT pedophiles?
Rev. Ken
Is your Google key broken, Reverend?

Since you raised the question, you can let Your fingers do the walking.

Good luck finding what the study wasn't tracking.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#61 Oct 17, 2012
AscendedFalmer wrote:
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That doesn't change the nature of rape.
It also doesn't change the homosexual nature of the majority of Catholic priests who abused male minors.

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