Catholic adoption agency cannot bar g...

Catholic adoption agency cannot bar gay parents from service

There are 24 comments on the www.proudparenting.com story from Aug 19, 2010, titled Catholic adoption agency cannot bar gay parents from service. In it, www.proudparenting.com reports that:

The UK-based agency called Catholic Care sought exclusion from 2007 sexual orientation regulations and began legal action to change its constitution - so it could work with married couples only. But it lost the attempt to restrict its service to heterosexual couples after the Charity Commission found there is no justification for barring lesbian and gay parents.

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elaygee

Jacksonville, FL

#1 Aug 19, 2010
Can't serve the public than you shouldn't be in public service.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#2 Aug 19, 2010
"no justification for barring lesbian and gay parents."

Amen

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#3 Aug 19, 2010
Religious adoption groups seem to have a total misconception about their status. They are not churches that adopt out; they are adoption services with religious backing. They have to follow all the same rules as any other adoption agency; this is a constant surprise to them.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Schaumburg, IL

#4 Aug 19, 2010
This already happened in MA (and DC, too?) here in the states, although here the matter hinged on the bigoted, sexist, authoritarian RCC taking public monies to "fulfill" it's adoption mission.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Aug 19, 2010
Too bad; they learned the hard way and they can go cry about it. Stop acting like you have any sanctimony, you demonic pieces of stinking filth, when you do not support all families.
Medic0506

Avon Park, FL

#6 Aug 19, 2010
And you guys wonder why we're concerned about our religious rights being eroded away. Gays BMC about how bad they hate the church but then turn around and try to force themselves into things church related when there are other avenues to the same end. It has nothing to do with adoption, it's about your cause.
This kind of issue does you more harm than good in the public eye. You deny that you're attacking religious rights, but these actions speak louder than your denials. Why not go to DSS, a private adoption agency, or start one specifically catering to gay people?? There are many other options, but I guess those options don't serve a political objective, or get you in the news.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Aug 19, 2010
Medic0506 wrote:
And you guys wonder why we're concerned about our religious rights being eroded away. Gays BMC about how bad they hate the church but then turn around and try to force themselves into things church related when there are other avenues to the same end. It has nothing to do with adoption, it's about your cause.
This kind of issue does you more harm than good in the public eye. You deny that you're attacking religious rights, but these actions speak louder than your denials. Why not go to DSS, a private adoption agency, or start one specifically catering to gay people?? There are many other options, but I guess those options don't serve a political objective, or get you in the news.
You may not have noticed this, but this was a story about a British adoption service and under their laws, any organization which operates as a charitable service to the public and receiving public funding, must comply with non-discrimination law, which includes non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, regardless if they are faith based or otherwise. In the UK, like most other western nations other than the US, freedom of religion means what you do and say on your side of your church doors, but once you bring that out in the public square however, you have to play by the same rules as everyone else. In this country, religions and their associated charities are given a lot more freedom and a lot more leeway. The only instances that are ever pointed to as examples of religious charities getting in trouble over gay rights are a Catholic adoption service that tried to get an exemption to their STATE contract after adopting to gay people for nearly a decade after suddenly being told that it was against their faith, a protestant group who tried to play fast and loose with the definition of public use in their special STATE tax exemption and a couple of morons (a fertility doctor and a wedding photographer) who mistakenly thought that their alleged religious beliefs somehow gave them the right to be a bigot and to violate STATE non-discrimination laws. That's it, an entire decade's worth of alleged religious persecution as the result of gays being treated equally under the law and each and every one of them was a self-inflicted wound. Fewer than half of the states in this country offer Gays and Lesbians equal protection in the area of public accommodation and the federal tax code regulating charities sadly still allows groups to be as anti-gay as they want to be. There should be religious freedom in this country, what you do on your side of your church doors isn't our business, but once you begin operating in the public square and begin receiving our tax dollars or getting a break on your taxes at our expense, then it is our business and hopefully one day our state and national laws will say that if you're charitable groups are operating on anyone's dime but your own, blaming God will no longer be an excuse for public bigotry and discrimination...

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Schaumburg, IL

#8 Aug 19, 2010
Medic0506 wrote:
And you guys wonder why we're concerned about our religious rights being eroded away....You deny that you're attacking religious rights....
Hey you ignorant bigot, no one in the US or the UK ever said publicly funded adoption agencies should be allowed to deny adoption services to xstain talibangelical couples.

We _know_ who the bigots are, and just like we don't have to support the KKK's bigotry with tax dollars we don't have to support the bigotry of you sexually disordered, "religioous" freeeks with public funds.

“TMA&CRR One Love One Marriage ”

Since: Sep 09

port orange

#9 Aug 26, 2010
Medic0506 wrote:
And you guys wonder why we're concerned about our religious rights being eroded away. Gays BMC about how bad they hate the church but then turn around and try to force themselves into things church related when there are other avenues to the same end. It has nothing to do with adoption, it's about your cause.
This kind of issue does you more harm than good in the public eye. You deny that you're attacking religious rights, but these actions speak louder than your denials. Why not go to DSS, a private adoption agency, or start one specifically catering to gay people?? There are many other options, but I guess those options don't serve a political objective, or get you in the news.
hun its the religious right attacking us, we are just defending our legal rights as tax paying citizens...if this "religious adoption agency" said they would only adopt to white couples would you be singing the same toon?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Aug 26, 2010
Medic0506 wrote:
And you guys wonder why we're concerned about our religious rights being eroded away. Gays BMC about how bad they hate the church but then turn around and try to force themselves into things church related when there are other avenues to the same end. It has nothing to do with adoption, it's about your cause.
This kind of issue does you more harm than good in the public eye. You deny that you're attacking religious rights, but these actions speak louder than your denials. Why not go to DSS, a private adoption agency, or start one specifically catering to gay people?? There are many other options, but I guess those options don't serve a political objective, or get you in the news.
There is no "right" to run an adoption agency, and it certainly doesn't fall under freedom of religion either. ALL adoption agencies have to follow the same rules.

“Homosapien ”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#11 Aug 26, 2010
Get public funding, follow public funding rules of non-discrimination, period. Should go for the Boy Scouts and private colleges accepting financial aid as well.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#12 Aug 26, 2010
mixed wrote:
Get public funding, follow public funding rules of non-discrimination, period. Should go for the Boy Scouts and private colleges accepting financial aid as well.
If you have your hand in the governments pocket, you play by their rules. Seems like some Christian groups think they should be exempt from this.
Not duped

Grove City, PA

#13 Aug 26, 2010
And they keep saying that the government laws about gays won't effect how Christians operate their organizations. I wonder if California Catholics will have to adopt to gay couples, even though the law now states they won't be forced to marry them. Gays should fight this kind of thing. It makes Christians all the more determined to stop gay marriage before it puts Christians groups under force to act a certain way.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#14 Aug 26, 2010
Travis A wrote:
<quoted text>
hun its the religious right attacking us, we are just defending our legal rights as tax paying citizens...if this "religious adoption agency" said they would only adopt to white couples would you be singing the same toon?
In the UK, because of socialized medicine/social services there are legal copmplexities that do not (yet?) exist here in the U.S..

“ TRUTH : NOT EXPEDIENCE”

Since: Nov 07

town near Jax, Fl

#15 Aug 26, 2010
The RCC will just get out of adoptions and other like services altogether unfortunately.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#16 Aug 26, 2010
Catholic created gay wrote:
The RCC will just get out of adoptions and other like services altogether unfortunately.
That's entirely up to them. They are the ones choosing to discriminate in the name of dogma.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#17 Aug 26, 2010
Gays don't have to be married to adopt in most states. SSM has nothing to do with this discussion.

Regardless of which group is running it, an adoption agency is a secular organization; there is no inherent right or a religious tenet for a religious group to adopt out. If they want to help children find homes, yippee for them. But they must follow ALL pertinent laws, just like any secularly-run adoption agency.
Not duped wrote:
And they keep saying that the government laws about gays won't effect how Christians operate their organizations. I wonder if California Catholics will have to adopt to gay couples, even though the law now states they won't be forced to marry them. Gays should fight this kind of thing. It makes Christians all the more determined to stop gay marriage before it puts Christians groups under force to act a certain way.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#18 Aug 26, 2010
The RCC closed down its catholic charities adoption service in MA when SSM became legal there. Clearly, the child wasn't the important part.
Catholic created gay wrote:
The RCC will just get out of adoptions and other like services altogether unfortunately.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#19 Aug 26, 2010
cpeter1313 wrote:
The RCC closed down its catholic charities adoption service in MA when SSM became legal there. Clearly, the child wasn't the important part.
The state Supreme Court's approval of same sex marriage was nothing more than the coincidental arrival of a convenient scapegoat for what the Church and by extension their "charitable" arm was up to in Massachusetts. State law regarding adoptions to people who are Lesbian and Gay changed back in 1989 and CC, as a state adoption service provider, actually complied with the law from at least 1991 until the Vatican began cracking down on wayward charities not playing by church doctrine. Unable to secure a waiver from the now more than a decade old law and in danger of losing not only the tax dollars which kept the doors of the adoption program open, but all their other tax supported offerings as well, if they started discriminating in adoptions without that waiver, it was kick the orphans to the curb time. Goodridge just happened to show up on the middle of all this, but the idea of the Church being forced to adopt kiddies to married gay couples made for one heck of a scapegoat.
Guardian Angel

Alpharetta, GA

#20 Aug 26, 2010
Not duped wrote:
And they keep saying that the government laws about gays won't effect how Christians operate their organizations
You've gotta be kidding!
.
Lets reword it correctly so you don't accidently end up in the gas chamber:
.
"And they keep saying that the government laws about gays won't affect Christian's freedom of speech; unless and until a crime is committed"

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