Arizona mother, son become unlikely L...

Arizona mother, son become unlikely LGBT advocates

There are 133 comments on the WCTI story from Feb 22, 2014, titled Arizona mother, son become unlikely LGBT advocates. In it, WCTI reports that:

The Arizona legislature passed an anti-gay law that would allow business owners to deny services to gay and lesbian customers on religious grounds.

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Angel

Ontario, CA

#1 Feb 22, 2014
Isn't the state going backward to race discrimination???

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Feb 22, 2014
I hope the governor vetoes the bill.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Feb 22, 2014
They're both working the nerdy, Rachel Maddow glasses thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Feb 22, 2014
Angel wrote:
Isn't the state going backward to race discrimination???
They already did that via their immigration laws, which oh so conveniently provide a rationale to stop people with brown skin, despite the lawmakers denials that this is the intent or effect.
Elizabeth Johnson

Falls Church, VA

#5 Feb 22, 2014
How can one at 13 identify as anything? I can see 16 maybe. I to am LDS and have experienced for different issues extremely strong support at all levels to a few that expressed extreme negative views. As any church the community you reside in and the people there make a difference. I have had instances where the members were very supportive and new leadership came in and the leadership was negative. I have situations that leadership at various levels were very supportive but a few members were not. Within the Mormon church as any church it sometimes comes down to where you live and the people in the Ward, parish, or church its self.

All I can say is good luck
Elizabeth Johnson

Falls Church, VA

#6 Feb 22, 2014
Rumor or joke I heard that they want to pass a law that says that you have to prove that your ancestry goes back to a person residing in the state in the early 1800's to run for any office.

Sounds like time travel to me.

What is next banning Mormons, Southern Baptist, Methodist, and Scientology?

How about banning the sale of any car whose company supports the LGBT community.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
Rumor or joke I heard that they want to pass a law that says that you have to prove that your ancestry goes back to a person residing in the state in the early 1800's to run for any office.
Sounds like time travel to me.
What is next banning Mormons, Southern Baptist, Methodist, and Scientology?
How about banning the sale of any car whose company supports the LGBT community.
We should ban the sale of food and beverage to religious people and republicans

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#8 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
How can one at 13 identify as anything? I can see 16 maybe.....
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crust on another boy. Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.

I was 9 years old when I first heard the word "homosexual" (on an episode of "Rhoda"). I asked my mother what that meant. She said, "It's when a guy likes other guys instead of girls."

I knew *immediately* that that's what I was. There was simply no doubt in my mind, at 9 years old, that I was absolutely, definitely, positively homosexual. It wasn't a choice I was making, it was a realization of what I'd been all along.

The reason straight people can't usually identify these realizations about themselves and their sexuality at early ages is because when you're straight, there's nothing remarkable about it. Everyone expects little boys to hate little girls and then slowly have an "awakening" and decide that girls aren't so bad after all. I was just the opposite. I always had friends that were girls and I was always naturally comfortable around them. It was boys that made my stomach flutter and my knees get weak--as far back at 5 years old. I didn't have ANY guy friends until I was in high school, and even they weren't very close.

Most GLBT folks know who they are long before they're willing to come out about it. I came out at 16 to close friends at school and then at 17 to almost everyone else. That was EXTREMELY early in 1980. Most people did their coming out at college back then, but most of us knew long before we came out that we were gay (or trans or whatever).

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#9 Feb 22, 2014
*crush* on another boy (obviously....)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Feb 22, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crust on another boy. Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.
I was 9 years old when I first heard the word "homosexual" (on an episode of "Rhoda"). I asked my mother what that meant. She said, "It's when a guy likes other guys instead of girls."
I knew *immediately* that that's what I was. There was simply no doubt in my mind, at 9 years old, that I was absolutely, definitely, positively homosexual. It wasn't a choice I was making, it was a realization of what I'd been all along.
The reason straight people can't usually identify these realizations about themselves and their sexuality at early ages is because when you're straight, there's nothing remarkable about it. Everyone expects little boys to hate little girls and then slowly have an "awakening" and decide that girls aren't so bad after all. I was just the opposite. I always had friends that were girls and I was always naturally comfortable around them. It was boys that made my stomach flutter and my knees get weak--as far back at 5 years old. I didn't have ANY guy friends until I was in high school, and even they weren't very close.
Most GLBT folks know who they are long before they're willing to come out about it. I came out at 16 to close friends at school and then at 17 to almost everyone else. That was EXTREMELY early in 1980. Most people did their coming out at college back then, but most of us knew long before we came out that we were gay (or trans or whatever).
Good post. I came out in 79 at college in my early 20's.(I went to Commack High School South and I would have been killed if i had come out there. It was tough enough just being Irish there.)
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
How can one at 13 identify as anything?
You're mentally ill - only a complete freeek would say that a 13 year old heterosexual doesn't know which gender he or she is primarily attracted to. Or genders....

Why should glbt teens be any different in this regard?

Because you're a defaming, "religious" kook who is culturally about two decades behind. That's the only reason someone would have this different expectation regarding glbt teens as compared to str8 identifying ones.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Feb 22, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten
But that idiot poster is just trashing glbt people and trying to enforce a closet mentality.

The mormon whatever it is and its minions don't care for explanations or facts or personal experience in this regard. They're only undermining is all.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
How can one at 13 identify as anything? I can see 16 maybe. I to am LDS and have experienced for different issues extremely strong support at all levels to a few that expressed extreme negative views. As any church the community you reside in and the people there make a difference. I have had instances where the members were very supportive and new leadership came in and the leadership was negative. I have situations that leadership at various levels were very supportive but a few members were not. Within the Mormon church as any church it sometimes comes down to where you live and the people in the Ward, parish, or church its self.
All I can say is good luck
You know when you know.

If you'd like to know more from people who have been there, check out PFLAG.org . Good people.

You don't have to join to learn some new things.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#14 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
How can one at 13 identify as anything? I can see 16 maybe.
Obviously you are a late bloomer. Most girls in my age group were horny by 7 or 8 and had boobs at 10
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I knew I was attracted to my mother's Italian Chef when I was still wearing diapers (I'm a guy)
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He was stuffed into slinky gabardine pants that should have been illegal; and he wore a white marshmallow chef hat
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He could walk faster than I could crawl; so I never caught him

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Feb 22, 2014
There is one thing missing from this law. The requirement that such businesses post a large sign signifying that they are religious bigots.

If they want the exemption they should have no problem making sure people know what they stand for.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#16 Feb 22, 2014
Elizabeth Johnson wrote:
How can one at 13 identify as anything? I can see 16 maybe. I to am LDS and have experienced for different issues extremely strong support at all levels to a few that expressed extreme negative views. As any church the community you reside in and the people there make a difference. I have had instances where the members were very supportive and new leadership came in and the leadership was negative. I have situations that leadership at various levels were very supportive but a few members were not. Within the Mormon church as any church it sometimes comes down to where you live and the people in the Ward, parish, or church its self.
All I can say is good luck
Some people know long before they're a teen that they're gay or lesbian.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#17 Feb 22, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crust on another boy. Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.
I was 9 years old when I first heard the word "homosexual" (on an episode of "Rhoda"). I asked my mother what that meant. She said, "It's when a guy likes other guys instead of girls."
I knew *immediately* that that's what I was. There was simply no doubt in my mind, at 9 years old, that I was absolutely, definitely, positively homosexual. It wasn't a choice I was making, it was a realization of what I'd been all along.
The reason straight people can't usually identify these realizations about themselves and their sexuality at early ages is because when you're straight, there's nothing remarkable about it. Everyone expects little boys to hate little girls and then slowly have an "awakening" and decide that girls aren't so bad after all. I was just the opposite. I always had friends that were girls and I was always naturally comfortable around them. It was boys that made my stomach flutter and my knees get weak--as far back at 5 years old. I didn't have ANY guy friends until I was in high school, and even they weren't very close.
Most GLBT folks know who they are long before they're willing to come out about it. I came out at 16 to close friends at school and then at 17 to almost everyone else. That was EXTREMELY early in 1980. Most people did their coming out at college back then, but most of us knew long before we came out that we were gay (or trans or whatever).
What a touching, heartfelt and perceptive post. Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience and insight.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#19 Feb 22, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crust on another boy. Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.
I was 9 years old when I first heard the word "homosexual" (on an episode of "Rhoda"). I asked my mother what that meant. She said, "It's when a guy likes other guys instead of girls."
I knew *immediately* that that's what I was. There was simply no doubt in my mind, at 9 years old, that I was absolutely, definitely, positively homosexual. It wasn't a choice I was making, it was a realization of what I'd been all along.
The reason straight people can't usually identify these realizations about themselves and their sexuality at early ages is because when you're straight, there's nothing remarkable about it. Everyone expects little boys to hate little girls and then slowly have an "awakening" and decide that girls aren't so bad after all. I was just the opposite. I always had friends that were girls and I was always naturally comfortable around them. It was boys that made my stomach flutter and my knees get weak--as far back at 5 years old. I didn't have ANY guy friends until I was in high school, and even they weren't very close.
Most GLBT folks know who they are long before they're willing to come out about it. I came out at 16 to close friends at school and then at 17 to almost everyone else. That was EXTREMELY early in 1980. Most people did their coming out at college back then, but most of us knew long before we came out that we were gay (or trans or whatever).
My sentiments exactly.

Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crush on a boy named Kenny Crowe (yes, I still remember his name 50 years later). Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.
Todd

Culver City, CA

#20 Feb 22, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crust on another boy.
Do you remember who the queer was that was molesting you?
Todd

Culver City, CA

#21 Feb 22, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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My sentiments exactly.
Looking back, I knew I liked boys better than girls when I was in Kindergarten and had my first crush on a boy named Kenny Crowe (yes, I still remember his name 50 years later). Of course, it was *many* years later before I realized what had been going on all those years ago, but it was clearly a crush.
You were obviously molested by a homosexual too.

Little boys don't turn gay in kindergarten.

I don't remember having any sexual feelings until puberty.

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