Teaching Gay History in California

Teaching Gay History in California

There are 12513 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 9, 2011, titled Teaching Gay History in California. In it, EDGE reports that:

California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

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“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13149 Jan 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex couples don't get marriage status because they practice gender segregation and marriage is gender integrated.
Down with gender apartheid marriage; keep marriage gender diverse, one man and one woman.
Fortunately, your opinions are not the rules. This bogus "gender segregation" stuff is good for a laugh, tho.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13150 Jan 27, 2013
We'll laugh at gender apartheid marriage together; the people voted for gender integrated marriage. Down with activist courts working against law, history and precedent.

There are limits.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13151 Jan 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We'll laugh at gender apartheid marriage together; the people voted for gender integrated marriage. Down with activist courts working against law, history and precedent.
There are limits.
You have no valid arguments to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, so you keep repeating your silly diatribes as if you make the rules.

1. What people voted for is irrelevant. Nobody is supposed to be able to vote on each others' rights. They're guaranteed in the Constitution, remember? The fact that they do, win or lose, is a perversion. Many things the people voted for or would have voted for have been wrong, and have been corrected, repeatedly.

2. "Activists courts" in the sense you and others use that term, are a myth.

3. History and precedent are irrelevant. Equality takes priority.

4. Limits must be borne of reason, not prejudice. You have no reason. Only prejudice. It won't hold up. It never does.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13152 Jan 27, 2013
The left favors equality over freedom; so rather than help maintain the right to live as you please they create ersatz equality of gender segregated marriage. They welcome prejudice and discrimination where once the perfect affirmative action of male/female marriage ruled.

When they ask for women in combat, you'll know they've gone to far. There is no gender equality right in the US Constitution.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#13153 Jan 27, 2013
That is just more of that twisted homosexual up is down, down is up bullshit! Your pedophile counter parts make the same argument about sex with children.

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You are just trying to destroy the concept of normality!

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One queer posted: "there are a lot more homosexuals today than ever" only because there are more people in the world.

The percentage of queers in the world has never been greater than 2% of the population. No where in the history of mankind, ever!

Nature has made sure of it. Homosexuals existence is just like Einsteins theory of Relativity, it's only going to go so far before it just stops.

After the 60's sexual revolution which was the beginning of the expansion of homosexuality in the U.S. suddenly more and more diseases appeared and it's the same today, more queers more diseases. Aid's wasn't known until the early 80's and as it is noted by your homosexual leaders on bill boards across California.
We knew that back in the 80's when they first campaigned to cover up the truth.

Same Sex Marriage is no more than an attack on family values. Just like in the 60's when The Catholic Church allowed homosexuals into the Church, homosexuals claimed that being celebrant would detour child molestation. We all know how that worked out!

You have an ace in the hole, Democrats and sop called Log cabin republicans! You don't think the number of people voting makes a difference, give it time. The homosexual situation has to get worst before it is corrected.Just look at history.

The good news is, your arrogance makes it possible to know who you are.
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no valid arguments to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, so you keep repeating your silly diatribes as if you make the rules.
1. What people voted for is irrelevant. Nobody is supposed to be able to vote on each others' rights. They're guaranteed in the Constitution, remember? The fact that they do, win or lose, is a perversion. Many things the people voted for or would have voted for have been wrong, and have been corrected, repeatedly.
2. "Activists courts" in the sense you and others use that term, are a myth.
3. History and precedent are irrelevant. Equality takes priority.
4. Limits must be borne of reason, not prejudice. You have no reason. Only prejudice. It won't hold up. It never does.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13154 Jan 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The left favors equality over freedom; so rather than help maintain the right to live as you please they create ersatz equality of gender segregated marriage. They welcome prejudice and discrimination where once the perfect affirmative action of male/female marriage ruled.
When they ask for women in combat, you'll know they've gone to far. There is no gender equality right in the US Constitution.
You should seriously get a psych eval.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#13155 Jan 27, 2013
He is perfectly normal. Show us anywhere in history homosexuality has been anything less than a curse on society! I would think that a normal person could step away from propaganda and state some facts.
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
You should seriously get a psych eval.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13156 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
He is perfectly normal. Show us anywhere in history homosexuality has been anything less than a curse on society! I would think that a normal person could step away from propaganda and state some facts.
<quoted text>
Well that's easy, it's never been a "curse" on society, screwball. Maybe you should get checked along with him.

"Normal" people don't waste their time arguing with gay people about THEIR lives on message boards for hours on end.

This country has had to deal with people like you before. You lose every time. The bad guys who were against women voting, the bad guys who were against interracial marriage, and you. You're all the same. You're all looked back on with shame by history.

Enjoy your effed up company.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13157 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
He is perfectly normal. Show us anywhere in history homosexuality has been anything less than a curse on society! I would think that a normal person could step away from propaganda and state some facts.
<quoted text>
p.s. it's funny how you think that's a thing - "show us anywhere in history..."

Who set up that benchmark? What makes that important in your brain? What makes you think that matters?

Show us another country like America in recorded history.

That's what I thought.

We break new ground, always have, always will. Although we're falling behind on the gay marriage thing (among others.) Other countries are making us look as backwards as your family.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13159 Jan 27, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no valid arguments to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, so you keep repeating your silly diatribes as if you make the rules.
1. What people voted for is irrelevant. Nobody is supposed to be able to vote on each others' rights. They're guaranteed in the Constitution, remember? The fact that they do, win or lose, is a perversion. Many things the people voted for or would have voted for have been wrong, and have been corrected, repeatedly.
2. "Activists courts" in the sense you and others use that term, are a myth.
3. History and precedent are irrelevant. Equality takes priority.
4. Limits must be borne of reason, not prejudice. You have no reason. Only prejudice. It won't hold up. It never does.
Great points. Well said.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13160 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
You think you can decide what normal is?
Anytime in history, I set that bench mark!
I know you can't decide what is normal for me or anyone else but yourself.

Your benchmark is irrelevant, since you're nobody and you don't get to set the benchmark.

Seriously, the HIV thing again? Really?

Sorry, I thought you might be a rational person. You're just another hysterical ignorant person showing us the world through your prism of misinformation and fear.

I don't believe for one second you are concerned about HIV. Those who are support same sex marriage, which naturally fosters monogamy and reduces any chances of any STD's.

Otherwise you're also a hypocrite.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13161 Jan 27, 2013
While intended to demonize and dehumanize in order to justify causing further harm, even misleading information about disease transmission supports the importance of encouraging committed relationships through marriage.

It also demonstrates the importance of accurate and honest education about disease transmission and risk reduction. Anyone engaging in sex needs to know how to prevent disease transmission.

It fails to provide an excuse for legal discrimination and the continued promotion of the irrational prejudice that leads many to self destructive behavior, including high risk sex.

It also fails to consider gay women are the lowest risk group for disease transmission, while straight people of both sexes are also at risk for all of the same things used to demonize gay people of both sexes.
Cool Hand Luke

Bangkok, Thailand

#13163 Jan 27, 2013
The information is from creditable sources,CDC, FDA,FBI, Multiple Health Departments, Multiple Universities and 6 other countries and you want us to believe what, UC/DAVIS RAINBOW!
Not Yet Equal wrote:
While intended to demonize and dehumanize in order to justify causing further harm, even misleading information about disease transmission supports the importance of encouraging committed relationships through marriage.
It also demonstrates the importance of accurate and honest education about disease transmission and risk reduction. Anyone engaging in sex needs to know how to prevent disease transmission.
It fails to provide an excuse for legal discrimination and the continued promotion of the irrational prejudice that leads many to self destructive behavior, including high risk sex.
It also fails to consider gay women are the lowest risk group for disease transmission, while straight people of both sexes are also at risk for all of the same things used to demonize gay people of both sexes.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13164 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Fear, like in homophobia?
<quoted text>
No, fear like in fear of things you don't know anything about, fear of disease, fear of things you can't control, fear of change - all irrational, by the way.

But weak people like you tend to live their lives led by fear.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#13165 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
The information is from creditable sources,CDC, FDA,FBI, Multiple Health Departments, Multiple Universities and 6 other countries and you want us to believe what, UC/DAVIS RAINBOW!
<quoted text>
You don't seem to understand what the information means.

But bravo for actually making a post that wasn't all cut and pasted from somewhere else.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13166 Jan 27, 2013
Comparing loving adult relationships to child abuse is simply a demonizing, dehumanizing, fear tactic used to justify legal discrimination and prejudice.

While used to justify harming all gay women and men needlessly, this tactic also fails to consider the fact convicted child abusers, rapists, and other violent criminals do not forfeit the fundamental right of marriage.

Ironically, the gay law enforcement men and women who risk their lives protecting us from such criminals do not enjoy the same fundamental legal rights enjoyed by convicts in prison.

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#13167 Jan 27, 2013
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
That is just more of that twisted homosexual up is down, down is up bullshit! Your pedophile counter parts make the same argument about sex with children.
.
You are just trying to destroy the concept of normality!
.
One queer posted: "there are a lot more homosexuals today than ever" only because there are more people in the world.
The percentage of queers in the world has never been greater than 2% of the population. No where in the history of mankind, ever!
Nature has made sure of it. Homosexuals existence is just like Einsteins theory of Relativity, it's only going to go so far before it just stops.
After the 60's sexual revolution which was the beginning of the expansion of homosexuality in the U.S. suddenly more and more diseases appeared and it's the same today, more queers more diseases. Aid's wasn't known until the early 80's and as it is noted by your homosexual leaders on bill boards across California.
We knew that back in the 80's when they first campaigned to cover up the truth.
Same Sex Marriage is no more than an attack on family values. Just like in the 60's when The Catholic Church allowed homosexuals into the Church, homosexuals claimed that being celebrant would detour child molestation. We all know how that worked out!
You have an ace in the hole, Democrats and sop called Log cabin republicans! You don't think the number of people voting makes a difference, give it time. The homosexual situation has to get worst before it is corrected.Just look at history.
The good news is, your arrogance makes it possible to know who you are.
<quoted text>
You bigoted piece of shit you don't know what normal is! Go save your own marriage instead of being on here 24/7 dehumanizing gay people.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13168 Jan 27, 2013
Again, use here of disease transmission information is intended to demonize, dehumanize, and promote irrational fear in order to justify causing further harm. It implies most gay people are infected, which is not true. Yet even misleading information about disease transmission supports the importance of encouraging committed relationships through marriage.

It also demonstrates the importance of accurate and honest education about disease transmission and risk reduction. Anyone engaging in sex can catch any disease, but only if exposed to the infectious agent. They need to know the risks of having multiple partners, and how to prevent disease transmission.

It fails to provide an excuse for legal discrimination and the continued promotion of the irrational prejudice that leads many to self destructive behavior, including high risk sex.

It also fails to consider gay women are the lowest risk group for disease transmission, while straight people of both sexes are also at risk for all of the same things used to demonize gay people of both sexes.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#13169 Jan 27, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no valid arguments to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, so you keep repeating your silly diatribes as if you make the rules.
1. What people voted for is irrelevant. Nobody is supposed to be able to vote on each others' rights. They're guaranteed in the Constitution, remember? The fact that they do, win or lose, is a perversion. Many things the people voted for or would have voted for have been wrong, and have been corrected, repeatedly.
2. "Activists courts" in the sense you and others use that term, are a myth.
3. History and precedent are irrelevant. Equality takes priority.
4. Limits must be borne of reason, not prejudice. You have no reason. Only prejudice. It won't hold up. It never does.
The fairness is only counted in the amendments. The constitution itself doesn't say equality. The people aren't changing the amendments, just the propositions. People vote for propositions. Thats how it works. He had no evidence, he didn't ask why they gone against it. He doesn't know their minds. He is 68 or 69, and yet he is so arrogant to proclaim that people are against same sex marriage and believe it is a union just because of bigotry. There is no fool like an old fool? Correct. Old fools should know better. Hence I am more accountable.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13170 Jan 27, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
The fairness is only counted in the amendments. The constitution itself doesn't say equality. The people aren't changing the amendments, just the propositions. People vote for propositions. Thats how it works. He had no evidence, he didn't ask why they gone against it. He doesn't know their minds. He is 68 or 69, and yet he is so arrogant to proclaim that people are against same sex marriage and believe it is a union just because of bigotry. There is no fool like an old fool? Correct. Old fools should know better. Hence I am more accountable.
Not sure what you are talking about, but all of the courts that have found laws that deny marriage equality to be unconstitutional, have done so only after having hearings, based on written testimony as well as oral arguments and testimony before the court. Judge Walker even encouraged those opposed to equality to submit more of both.

But just because a proposition is voted on, does not mean it is constitutional. To be legal, it must treat everyone equally, as required by the 5th and 14th amendments, and as promised in the founding documents.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

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