Teaching Gay History in California

Jul 9, 2011 Full story: EDGE 12,515

California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

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#1 Jul 9, 2011
I think that's a great idea. I never got taught about homosexuality in my school, and I believe students should be taught about it, at least when studying subjects such as history or civil rights, teachers need to at least brush on the subject.

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#2 Jul 9, 2011
Kesla15 wrote:
I think that's a great idea. I never got taught about homosexuality in my school, and I believe students should be taught about it, at least when studying subjects such as history or civil rights, teachers need to at least brush on the subject.
Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?

If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?

Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?

And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.

I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.

Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).

If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.

"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation

(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#3 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?
If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?
Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?
And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.
I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.
Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).
If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.
"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation
(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)
I'm not talking about "gay only classes" i'm just saying that when students study civil rights in history they see plenty about African-americans, native Americans, Hispanics, women, young people etc. It would be nice if there was at least a small section of study on the civil rights struggle of homosexuals and LGBT people.

Considering almost every other course in History and civil rights covers every other civil group.

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#4 Jul 9, 2011
I think its great and about time as the LGBT community is apart of American history. Now I believe it is also time to start teaching about the history of religion and all the crimes against humanity religion is and has been responsible for. Then just maybe we can have children growing up knowing the difference between hate and love.

Since: Feb 11

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#5 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?
If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?
Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?
And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.
I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.
Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).
If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.
"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation
(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)
Typical homophobes, always thinking about sex. The article nor the legislation has anything to do about sex. Next time read the article instead of just the headline. This is a stretch but maybe by reading the article you might learn something. I bet you would not have any problem with your children learning the religious way of hating others now would you.
GayPride

San Francisco, CA

#6 Jul 9, 2011
Why mandate something without consulting or asking the peermission of parents who may not agree with this, I'm sure if this bill was put on the ballot that it will fail miserably because Californians want nothing to do with gay history of perversion and abomination!

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Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#7 Jul 9, 2011
Jalene in the wild wrote:
I think its great and about time as the LGBT community is apart of American history. Now I believe it is also time to start teaching about the history of religion and all the crimes against humanity religion is and has been responsible for. Then just maybe we can have children growing up knowing the difference between hate and love.
Indeed!

The negative side of religion and the harm that it causes could be taught in Religious studies lessons.

Whereas the lessons on homosexuality, could take more of a backseat and be part of the Civil Rights course that many students do while studying History.
Boardwatch

UK

#8 Jul 9, 2011
Homosexuals are not a Civil group any more than Heterosexuals are specific Civil group. They are included in African American history, American history, State histories, and World History already.

What is the purpose of this (why do you try and disguise the real agenda here?)

Homosexuals are people like you and me that don't look at history a different way, who don't look different than you and I. They belong to different racial and religious backgrounds. You are trying to invent something that is not there. What exactly does a Homosexual Historical figure do differently than any other historical figure, and why does a special curriculum have to be invented to pretend that they do?

All I can say is good luck on getting this one passed as "Required" teaching to children in school.

It will be the fastest way I know to get the School voucher system passed in California as parents pull their children from Public Schools.

(I hope the State representatives are listening clear on that before they write their names on a bill like that)

History based upon sexual preference has no place in Schools.

Since: Dec 08

United States

#9 Jul 9, 2011
"Thinkers" like yourself are part of the reason Texas has one of the lowest college graduation rates in the nation. Texas school books read like a white manifesto and you know it!

You're scared shitless over diversity of any ilk but white.
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?
If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?
Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?
And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.
I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.
Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).
If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.
"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation
(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)

Since: Dec 08

United States

#10 Jul 9, 2011
Yet again from Texas, with one of the lowest college graduation rates in the nation. Those that select the school books invented the word "whitewash" and it has nothing to do with painting fences.
Boardwatch wrote:
Homosexuals are not a Civil group any more than Heterosexuals are specific Civil group. They are included in African American history, American history, State histories, and World History already.
What is the purpose of this (why do you try and disguise the real agenda here?)
Homosexuals are people like you and me that don't look at history a different way, who don't look different than you and I. They belong to different racial and religious backgrounds. You are trying to invent something that is not there. What exactly does a Homosexual Historical figure do differently than any other historical figure, and why does a special curriculum have to be invented to pretend that they do?
All I can say is good luck on getting this one passed as "Required" teaching to children in school.
It will be the fastest way I know to get the School voucher system passed in California as parents pull their children from Public Schools.
(I hope the State representatives are listening clear on that before they write their names on a bill like that)
History based upon sexual preference has no place in Schools.
true

Moneta, VA

#11 Jul 9, 2011
California should break off at the fault line and sink into the sea ending about 60% of all our gay and illegal problems

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Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#12 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
Homosexuals are not a Civil group any more than Heterosexuals are specific Civil group. They are included in African American history, American history, State histories, and World History already.
What is the purpose of this (why do you try and disguise the real agenda here?)
Homosexuals are people like you and me that don't look at history a different way, who don't look different than you and I. They belong to different racial and religious backgrounds. You are trying to invent something that is not there. What exactly does a Homosexual Historical figure do differently than any other historical figure, and why does a special curriculum have to be invented to pretend that they do?
All I can say is good luck on getting this one passed as "Required" teaching to children in school.
It will be the fastest way I know to get the School voucher system passed in California as parents pull their children from Public Schools.
(I hope the State representatives are listening clear on that before they write their names on a bill like that)
History based upon sexual preference has no place in Schools.
As a student I know what's been studied lately in schools.

As far as civil rights are concerned, the school board, at least where i'm from looks at; Women, African Americans, Hispanics, The Chicano Movement, Asians, Kenyan Asians, Ugandan Asians, Native Americans, etc.

I believe that while also looking at these sections of civil rights students should have the ability to also look at the struggle for civil rights endured by homosexuals. Perhaps from the 1940s to present day.

Homosexuals have had a struggle for civil rights as much as any other minority group. Homosexuality used to be illegal, it's only recently they started to be allowed to get married.

“Can't help being fabulous”

Since: Dec 10

Sparkle <3

#13 Jul 9, 2011
GayPride wrote:
Why mandate something without consulting or asking the peermission of parents who may not agree with this, I'm sure if this bill was put on the ballot that it will fail miserably because Californians want nothing to do with gay history of perversion and abomination!
This coming from a person called "gay pride" from San Fran?

California is well-renowned for it's acceptance of homosexuality.

The classes won't be talking about homosexuality in depth, just how homosexuals have struggled for civil rights. How exactly is wanting to be able to marry and for homosexuality to be legal full of "perversion and abomination"?

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#14 Jul 9, 2011
The more the student learn about homosexuality the less children will be bullied in schools or commit suicide. I know heterosexual parents are scared that their children will turn homosexual because the students are learning the history. I have words for the parents. Let go and let GOD. The children will be what God wants them to be. Thanks for your time. Have a great day!
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?
If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?
Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?
And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.
I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.
Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).
If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.
"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation
(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)
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Moneta, VA

#15 Jul 9, 2011
Gays and illegals, deport them both

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#16 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
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Why...? There are plenty of Gay historical figures who made contributions to mankind. Why all of a sudden do we have to be prejudicial and separate out those historical figures who are not Gay..?
If I wanted to Make a "White Man Only" History Class and exclude anyone who was not white from my teachings, do you think that would be appropriate to teach?
Why can't we just teach History and leave the racial, sexists, and sex preferences out of it...?
And on top if that, why would I even want you to force feed that to my child...? I wouldn't stand for that for a minute.
I want my children to learn that all kinds of people from all walks of life contribute to history, not just one kind who like their sex a certain way.
Unless of course the class is not about HISTORY at all, but about Homosexuality (like your post suggests above).
If that is the case why try and disguise it by saying it's a history class then. Call it what it is.
"How to be Homosexual 101" - Passing grade Required for Graduation
(Can you imagine the lab class requirements for that course)
You didn't bother to check the facts about this proposed legislation. It is not for the History class, but for Social Studies. Social Studies are already being taught in California schools, but unfortunately some teachers will purposely omit any mention of prominent gay figures, even if they made significant contributions to society. Now the law is looking to redress that situation, by saying, no, you may not ignore individuals such as Harvey Milk, whose life made a huge difference to a significant number of people not only in the State of California but nationwide. Sweeping the LGBT civil rights struggle under the rug, as christians are wont to do, will not make it go away.

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#17 Jul 9, 2011
true wrote:
Gays and illegals, deport them both
Morons and biggots kill them both.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#18 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
Homosexuals are not a Civil group any more than Heterosexuals are specific Civil group. They are included in African American history, American history, State histories, and World History already.
What is the purpose of this (why do you try and disguise the real agenda here?)
Homosexuals are people like you and me that don't look at history a different way, who don't look different than you and I. They belong to different racial and religious backgrounds. You are trying to invent something that is not there. What exactly does a Homosexual Historical figure do differently than any other historical figure, and why does a special curriculum have to be invented to pretend that they do?
All I can say is good luck on getting this one passed as "Required" teaching to children in school.
It will be the fastest way I know to get the School voucher system passed in California as parents pull their children from Public Schools.
(I hope the State representatives are listening clear on that before they write their names on a bill like that)
History based upon sexual preference has no place in Schools.
Why do we learn about the Salem witch hunts? Or the Holocaust? Or the Inquisition? If as you say those victims were simply part of larger racial or religious groups, why is their history being singled out for special attention? It is because they were persecuted and oppressed for who and what they were, and history recognizes that. So if kids are going to learn about the Black Civil Rights movement, then they should also learn about the Homosexual Civil Rights struggle, because it affects roughly the same percentage of the population.

Harvey Milk is undeniably a historic figure in California' history, but there is no way to separate his homosexuality from the reasons why he was a prominent figure. Try teaching kids the history of that period in San Francisco's history without mentioning homosexuality -- it can't be done. But what has unfortunately happened all too often is that christian teachers have simply swept the whole topic of the gay civil rights struggle under the rug.

So if parents are going to pull their kids out of school for that reason -- good luck to them. But they should know that a percentage of their kids are born homosexual and there's nothing they can do about that. Those kids WILL eventually come out, and then those parents' own struggle will begin. You cannot ignore the topic and hope that it will disappear from your life.

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#19 Jul 9, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
Homosexuals are not a Civil group any more than Heterosexuals are specific Civil group. They are included in African American history, American history, State histories, and World History already.
What is the purpose of this (why do you try and disguise the real agenda here?)
Homosexuals are people like you and me that don't look at history a different way, who don't look different than you and I. They belong to different racial and religious backgrounds. You are trying to invent something that is not there. What exactly does a Homosexual Historical figure do differently than any other historical figure, and why does a special curriculum have to be invented to pretend that they do?
All I can say is good luck on getting this one passed as "Required" teaching to children in school.
It will be the fastest way I know to get the School voucher system passed in California as parents pull their children from Public Schools.
(I hope the State representatives are listening clear on that before they write their names on a bill like that)
History based upon sexual preference has no place in Schools.
Wow! Its true everything in TX is bigger, including your stupidity.
Chicago Guy

United States

#20 Jul 9, 2011
Kesla15 wrote:
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As a student I know what's been studied lately in schools.
As far as civil rights are concerned, the school board, at least where i'm from looks at; Women, African Americans, Hispanics, The Chicano Movement, Asians, Kenyan Asians, Ugandan Asians, Native Americans, etc.
I believe that while also looking at these sections of civil rights students should have the ability to also look at the struggle for civil rights endured by homosexuals. Perhaps from the 1940s to present day.
Homosexuals have had a struggle for civil rights as much as any other minority group. Homosexuality used to be illegal, it's only recently they started to be allowed to get married.
Great post, and I agree 100%.
But History class doesn't usually stay current with history.
Rest assured that in 30 years-- or less-- gay marriage will be allowed throughout the US, and all those who oppose it now will pretend like they didn't. As will their kids and grandkids.
Just as it was with every other struggle you cite.

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