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Stunner: Sen. Rob Portman backs same-sex marriage

There are 243 comments on the cbsnews.com story from Mar 15, 2013, titled Stunner: Sen. Rob Portman backs same-sex marriage. In it, cbsnews.com reports that:

The Ohio Republican informed reporters from several newspapers in his home state of his reversal, which The Columbus Dispatch calls "stunning." Portman told The Cincinnati Enquirer his evolution on the subject began in 2011 when his son, Will, then a freshman at Yale University, told his parents he was gay.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#63 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Did I say that Mr Conservative?
You did say being gay is just a behavior and not an innate trait like being black.

So then it should be no problem for you to be gay and do a little man-on-man loving to prove it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#64 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I realized you understood my point. I merely stated the obvious and was amused by how many argued with it. Being gay is an active behavior, it is not passive. If you decided you never wanted sex, never wanted a partner of any kind, never had a conversation concerning intimate relations, you would not have a sexual orientation at all. Being gay is an active choice.
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You did make a good point about the contradictions over societal values. What does rub me wrong is the ever floating set of double standards by the Democrats/American left.
Wrong again. Sexual orientation is you natural physical & emotional attraction to one sex or the other; or both. Making a decision not to act on those attractions is not the same as not having them in the first place.

Do you think you can consciously control who you are attracted to?

Double standard? Oh you mean like being opposed to killing a fetus, unless that fetus was conceived a certain way then it's okay? Or being opposed to killing an "unborn child" but supporting killing innocent people wrongly convicted on death row?

You mean THOSE kind of double standards?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#65 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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People of faith are taxpayers too and you do not get the sole say in how *their* money is spent.
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If you have an issue with that, stop taking their money for taxes.
Sure, as soon as churches start paying taxes like every other business has to........
hoodathunkit

De Graff, OH

#66 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I have no strong opinion on gays for or against, it's not an animating issue for me.
What a bald-faced lie!!! You've been very animated making posts containing your "strong" opinions against gays.
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Many laws are based on emotion (such as gun laws proposed or passed).
Most laws are based on emotion. Laws regulating business are based on the strong emotional reaction that society had to the unethical practices of business. Sorbanes-Oxley was passed in response to the strong emotional reaction that the general public had to the unethical practices of Enron and Arthur Anderson in particular.
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Please note, gay is a behavior, not an inherent physical quality like sex or race. Behaviors are routinely regulated. Example: Think about government making you uncomfortable about your feelings :).
So what you're saying is that heterosexuality is a behavior, not an inherent physical quality like sex or race and shouldn't be given any special status or treatment over homosexuality. Since behaviors are routinely regulated and both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are legal, there is no logical reason to legally treat heterosexual behavior any different than homosexual behavior: since they are equally legal, they should receive equal treatment under the law.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#67 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I have no strong opinion on gays for or against, it's not an animating issue for me.
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Many laws are based on emotion (such as gun laws proposed or passed).
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Please note, gay is a behavior, not an inherent physical quality like sex or race. Behaviors are routinely regulated. Example: Think about government making you uncomfortable about your feelings :).
You are bi-sexual if you can swing either way; sugar
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#68 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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If you are forced to photograph the wedding of people who are practicing a lifestyle you are 100% opposed to, your rights are being trampled.
If you want to discriminate; your photography business must be a church ministry; not a commercially licensed business establishment

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#69 Mar 15, 2013
Kuda wrote:
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Declaring gay as an “active behavior” by definition, as you did, does not define it as a behavior according to the common parlance. Of course, no one can stop you from lapsing into your own idiosyncratic language system.
By the way, all behaviors are active because behavior implies movement. But enough about linguistics, at least for now, because I feel compelled to ask you to specify the set of “double standard” that you attribute to “the Democrats/American left” and why it would rub you so wrongly? If you’re referring to Rob Portman turning his back on the tea partiers by supporting gays, per this thread, please know that he is a Republican/American Right kind of guy as, for some reason, are most of the gay sex scandal congress members like Larry “Wide Stance” Craig.
Behavior is an action.
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I am not concerned with Portman's view.
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The Democrats complaining about the Racist Romney while conducting the election based on race is a good example.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#70 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I realized you understood my point. I merely stated the obvious and was amused by how many argued with it. Being gay is an active behavior, it is not passive. If you decided you never wanted sex, never wanted a partner of any kind, never had a conversation concerning intimate relations, you would not have a sexual orientation at all. Being gay is an active choice.
Either you are a soaring moron or you need to see a gynecologist

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#71 Mar 15, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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Many laws are based upon emotion, seldom good law.
And what does a just government do when you uneasy feelings are balances by another persons?
Gay is a behavior. But a decent gov't doesn't outlaw personal choices with no proof of damage to the society.
That has not been proven, or even brought up, here.
The first line is interesting on an issue that you have no strong feelings you are willing to come down in a restrictive way.
I dislike Obama greatly.
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In the course of the discussion with the person I was with, I listed the things he did right. One can look at both sides of an issue.
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I can understand the arguments gay makes and I can understand the arguments of people who do not like the gay lifestyle.
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We have Sheeples for the 2 dimensional view of everything.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#72 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So if I believe christians are subhuman I can deny them care at my E.R.?
If I believe whites are immoral I can deny them a drivers license?
Good to know........
But you may want to bone up on your state anti-discrimination laws before you end up paying $30,000 like the B&B owner in Vermont who violated their laws.
They can rent them a room while they say to the couple they do not support the gay lifestyle. One does not lose their right to free speech.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#73 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You did say being gay is just a behavior and not an innate trait like being black.
So then it should be no problem for you to be gay and do a little man-on-man loving to prove it.
Sometimes you can be really, really thick.
All I said was, It's a behavior.
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I will repeat for your benefit and with further definition:
The Gay sexual lifestyle is a behavior.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#74 Mar 15, 2013
hoodathunkit wrote:
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1) What a bald-faced lie!!! You've been very animated making posts containing your "strong" opinions against gays.
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2)So what you're saying is that heterosexuality is a behavior, not an inherent physical quality like sex or race and shouldn't be given any special status or treatment over homosexuality. Since behaviors are routinely regulated and both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are legal, there is no logical reason to legally treat heterosexual behavior any different than homosexual behavior:
1) I just have to make a pretty neutral comment like Homosexuality is a behavior and then let you guys do the over reacting :)
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2) It is not the same thing to many, many people around the globe.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#75 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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They can rent them a room while they say to the couple they do not support the gay lifestyle. One does not lose their right to free speech.
Now you're starting to understand pumpkin. They still have to rent them the room, or sell them the wedding cake, or sell them the flowers, etc.

Btw, even free speech has limits, but as long as they rent them the room they might get away without being sued.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#76 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Sometimes you can be really, really thick.
All I said was, It's a behavior.
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I will repeat for your benefit and with further definition:
The Gay sexual lifestyle is a behavior.
Only to the extent the straight sexual lifestyle is a behavior.

They're still gay or still straight no matter what their behavior.

And in many states it is still illegal for a business to discriminate against them based on that "behavior".

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#77 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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1) I just have to make a pretty neutral comment like Homosexuality is a behavior and then let you guys do the over reacting :)
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2) It is not the same thing to many, many people around the globe.
It doesn't matter what "many, many people around the globe" think; it only matters what the law is in the state where you reside.

And in many states, you can't discriminate in business dealings based on the customer's sexual orientation or sexual "lifestyle" no matter how they get it on.

Maybe you would be more comfortable in one of those other places around the globe where they allow discrimination. But I should warn you, many of them discriminate against christians, or some other religion, or ethnicity or something which probably applies to you.

Good luck on your search for a new home.........

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#78 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Now you're starting to understand pumpkin. They still have to rent them the room, or sell them the wedding cake, or sell them the flowers, etc.
Btw, even free speech has limits, but as long as they rent them the room they might get away without being sued.
You can not sue because the guests do not like the personal views of the owner, more so if the guests press the issue that they are gay.
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Remember, you are renting a space, not renting friends.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#79 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Maybe you would be more comfortable in one of those other places around the globe where they allow discrimination.
I can just go to some of the more liberal parts of America and say, Homosexuality is a behavior :)
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Those diversity types really do not like it when they see a viewpoint that does match up exactly with theirs.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#80 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Good luck on your search for a new home.........
Oooops:

Those diversity types really do not like it when they see a viewpoint that does *NOT* match up exactly with theirs.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#81 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I dislike Obama greatly.
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In the course of the discussion with the person I was with, I listed the things he did right. One can look at both sides of an issue.
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I can understand the arguments gay makes and I can understand the arguments of people who do not like the gay lifestyle.
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We have Sheeples for the 2 dimensional view of everything.
A couple of months back I had told our conservative contributors that I would say two genuinely positive things about W for every one that was said about Obama.
It took a long bit of time before anyone took up the offer.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#82 Mar 15, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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The Democrats complaining about the Racist Romney while conducting the election based on race is a good example.
Let us see....
Romney's self deportation concept
Gingrich making his porcine pronouncements on the Presidents anti-colonial Kenyanism.
The birther bullsuat that made Trump a contender

your right the GOP never played their race card.......

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