Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61393 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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#21726 Jan 26, 2014
Nine Ball wrote:
<quoted text> Frankie you has hit on it. Them gays ain[t just fighting for marryhg up with each other. They wants more and more and more. Our country is changing. Over time thangs need to change. If it changes too slow we are old foggies and we is in trouble. If I changes too fast we is opening doors that we can't change and we will be in a mess. Either way we is in trouble. Families are breaking up. Peeope are living together and having babies. It don't make no never mind anbout marrying up one man is living with 3 or 4 womens and they is not married and they is having kids. Most black babies don't kow who their daddies are. And now gays is wanting to marry up. And as you said they ain't going to stop. Some wants to be able have a bunch of mens and womens who will all marry up with each other so that all of them is husbands and wifes to all of them,and hey gits to have sex with each oher mens with womens, mens with mens, and women with women and a bunch of them doing it all together.
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#21727 Jan 26, 2014
lides wrote:
Brian, you are an idiot. Procreation is possible outside of marriage, and has no bearing upon legal marriage. Even Justice Scalia has pointed out the lack of correlation between procreation and marriage. Scalia dissenting in Lawrence v Texas "If moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct is “no legitimate state interest” for purposes of proscribing that conduct, ante, at 18; and if, as the Court coos (casting aside all pretense of neutrality),“[w]hen sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring,” ante, at 6; what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising “[t]he liberty protected by the Constitution,” ibid.? Surely not the encouragement of procreation, since the sterile and the elderly are allowed to marry." Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v Texas http://www.law.co r nell.edu/supct/htm l/02-102.ZD.html
Grow a brain.
^^^No surprise; lides selects the one time Scalia was mistaken in quoting his judicial idol, Scalia. From what I understand from lides posts; lides agrees with Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v. Texas and finds them exemplary. I don't agree with Scalia's dissent. How about you?

Criminalizing homosexual acts, as Scalia and lides justify above, or rewriting marriage law for everyone to satisfy the sexual desires of a small minority; those are the radical, extremist positions. Keeping marriage one man and one woman and keeping private, consensual sex both private and consensual by the Lawrence v Texas ruling are the mainstream, centrist and moderate positions.

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#21728 Jan 26, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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I was just going by the Wikipedia entry, no need to get your panties in a twist.
My point stands; ONE idiot doesn't represent the entire gay community, even though you'd like him to.
But it was totally different with Priscilla Beaulieu, right? Elvis was totally justified in tappin' that azz, right?
No -- Elvis was pedophile too.

Does that answer your question?

You have this stupid idea in your head that you can defend every atrocity committed by a gay person by simply finding a similar one by a straight person. It's not only a stupid idea, it's not even your stupid idea.

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#21729 Jan 26, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Hey Paisan I think you once posted something about why Jesus must have been Italian, am I right? I'd like to read that again.
Why yes I did

Jesus was really Italian because he....

...was from the Mediterranean and of olive complexion.

...used his hands when he spoke.

...knew how to make wine

...didn't leave home until he was thirty.

....hung around with same group of guys for years.

....worked in the trades

And the final proof......he thought his mother was a saint, and she thought he was God!

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#21730 Jan 26, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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No -- Elvis was pedophile too.
Does that answer your question?
You have this stupid idea in your head that you can defend every atrocity committed by a gay person by simply finding a similar one by a straight person. It's not only a stupid idea, it's not even your stupid idea.
So then, using your logic, we should condemn all heterosexuals?

If you want' to condemn all homosexuals because of Liberace, then you should be prepared to condemn all heterosexuals because of Elvis.

You don't like the comparison, because you know it's fair.

Again, you don't get to condemn an entire community because of one ashpole.

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#21731 Jan 26, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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You have this stupid idea in your head that you can defend every atrocity committed by a gay person by simply finding a similar one by a straight person. It's not only a stupid idea, it's not even your stupid idea.
And you have this stupid idea in your head that you can pick isolated, random events and use them to denigrate an entire community.

It's not only stupid, it's fatally flawed.

You've already admitted that you're a homophobic bigot. Fine. Attempting to use isolated events, like Liberace, causes you to lose credibility. Seriously.

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#21732 Jan 26, 2014
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Pietro, I am well aware of the difference.
That's a relief.....you had me worried there for a moment.
It is you who lack the ability to articulate how sex is relevant to marriage,
I'm glad you asked! First lets start off with the definition of sex, so that there's no confusion. It is coital sexual intercourse. While other sexual acts have been sometimes called "sex", they should not be confused with actual coital intercourse. Second, courts have referred to sex as "marital relations". The first act of coital sexual intercourse between husband and wife is know as "consummation", which, in some states, failure to do, is grounds for annulment. Lastly, sex can, and does lead to conception....procreation...wh ich we both know is a function of marriage and a legitimate state interest in marriage, as numerous courts have ruled.
or to indicate a compelling governmental interest served by keeping marriage between a man and a woman that would render such a restriction constitutional.
There are numerous reason, but one often overlooked, is the issue of equality. By maintaining the monogamous conjugal definition of marriage, the state ensures not only that both genders are integrated into the marital union, but that all men and women are treated the same as it relates to marriage.
It's not difficult at all. You simply lack the ability to offer a basis that would render gender restrictions on marriage constitutional.
You seem unable to offer a compelling state interest in depriving some men and women of their fundamental right to marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife, that would render such a deprivation, constitutional.
Thank you, Pietro. That was short, but pointless. The reason for inclusion is that there is no state interest served by limiting marriage to opposite sex couples, and the US Constitution mandates that states provide all persons within their jurisdiction equal protection of the law.
There's no state interest in treating some men and women, unequally, than other men and women as it relates to marriage, the legally recognized union of husband and wife. You seem to be of the opinion that such unequal treatment is okay.
The arguments you are putting forward have regularly been losing in courts across the country. You would think that seeing you are advancing a losing argument that you might attempt to come up with a better one. That you keep advancing the same argument that has already been debunked in multiple courts tends to imply that you aren't terribly intelligent.
Some courts have recognized the compelling state interest in treating all men, and women the same as it relates to marriage. Why you continue to advocate for unequal treatment for some men and women, is puzzling.

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#21733 Jan 26, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Why don't you try that the next time you get picked up with an underage girl?
Oh never mind, you're too stupid to get the point.
Well, yes -- pedophilia is a huge problem with the straight community too. Look at all those school teachers busted with their students. The difference is we're not in denial about it the way the LGBT community is.

You people go to the ridiculous length of trying to convince us homosexuals can't be pedophile. You have no problem with heterosexuals being pedophiles, but a thousand times, no, when it comes to gays.

We see it right here: instead of admitting Liberache was a pedo you drag Elvis into the discussion. What purpose did that serve if not misdirection?

Under-age boys is part of the homosexual continuum. Virtually every famous homosexual we know of had a history of underage boys. Gore Vidal, Oscar Wilde, Liberache, Larry Brinkin, that Senate aide who committed suicide, all those Catholic priests.

Imagine if a group of anonymous straight guys came along with a plan for after-school programs for high school girls. We'd haul them off to jail. But look at gay males flooding our high schools with your bullshit "Gay-Alliance" clubs. Look at the thousands of gay men across the country standing in line to become Boy Scout leaders.

Do you really think the gay men we see in your "pride" parades should be allowed to become Boy Scout leaders?

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#21734 Jan 26, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There is no ban on same sex marriage; a same sex couple may have a religious wedding in every state, travel to and from a state that licenses same sex marriage or simply ask acquaintances to treat the couple as if married. The issue isn't freedom for gay people; they are free to live as they please in every state. The issue is marriage law for everybody.
What's your point, stupid?
There are marriage laws for everybody in states that legally recognize gay marriage.
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#21735 Jan 26, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Why yes I did
Jesus was really Italian because he....
...was from the Mediterranean and of olive complexion.
...used his hands when he spoke.
...knew how to make wine
...didn't leave home until he was thirty.
....hung around with same group of guys for years.
....worked in the trades
And the final proof......he thought his mother was a saint, and she thought he was God!
That's it! Thnx.

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#21736 Jan 26, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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You people go to the ridiculous length of trying to convince us homosexuals can't be pedophile. You have no problem with heterosexuals being pedophiles, but a thousand times, no, when it comes to gays.
Gary, you're parsing words. I've never said that homosexuals couldn't be pedophiles.

You, and Kimare, love to toss around the term "gay pedophiles". There's no such profile according to the FBI and APA. You love to blur the lines between pedophilia and homosexuality. How often do you hear anyone say "str8 pedophile"? You don't; they just use the word pedophile.
Frankie Rizzo

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#21737 Jan 26, 2014
ChigayColin wrote:
The forces equality are winning the battle, but the war against the reich wing will be long and arduous, with many setbacks to come, but if we remain stedfast we shall defeat the thumpers and their minions. Having said this, I'm afraid the reich wing zealots will be out in force this election year, filled with an anger we've never seen.
Relax fruitloops.

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#21738 Jan 26, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
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. Look at the thousands of gay men across the country standing in line to become Boy Scout leaders.
Do you really think the gay men we see in your "pride" parades should be allowed to become Boy Scout leaders?
Where are they, Gary? Where are the lines? You're simply making up shit, again, and being a drama queen.

Most of the gay men I know are too self-absorbed to be scout leaders.

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#21739 Jan 26, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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nit-picking
Rather ironic u would adopt a sex identity label, that was once the direct opposite of what u profess.

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#21740 Jan 26, 2014
The attorney who will argue for Utah had to give up his job at Winston & Strawn (one of the best law firms) because homosexuals were harassing the firm night and day.

Utah scares homosexuals.

This attorney is going to make them pay.

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#21741 Jan 26, 2014
The attorney's name is Gene Schaerr.

Keep going, homosexuals: America is turning against you and you're barely out of the closet.

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#21742 Jan 26, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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They do.... Each has the equal right to marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife!
That's like saying everybody had the right to sit in the section of the bus assigned to their race.
A man can marry a woman, so a woman should also be able to marry a woman.
A woman can marry a man, so a man should also be able to marry a man.
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#21743 Jan 26, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Where are they, Gary? Where are the lines? You're simply making up shit, again, and being a drama queen.
Most of the gay men I know are too self-absorbed to be scout leaders.
One of your homosexual Topix moderators bemoaned that you homosexuals are on the shelf by the age of 40. Between AIDS and ageism, your life is Logan's Run.

Or Hell.

AHAHAHA!!!!

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#21744 Jan 26, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Rather ironic u would adopt a sex identity label, that was once the direct opposite of what u profess.
Labels are for designer clothing, Pietro. I'm a happy, adjusted, married, contributing member of society, a mentor at my workplace, a role model, and a much admired professional musician. I also happen to be a homosexual. That's what I profess.

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#21745 Jan 26, 2014
garylloyd wrote:
Slow Descent Into Filth
Is that the title of the next porn movie you're going to make?
garylloyd wrote:
Huffpost used to be a good online news organ (no pun). Then gays took it over. Today it is awash with homosexuality. Usually, there are no less than three gay articles on the front page.
And you know this because...?
You go to their site everyday looking for stories about gay men?
garylloyd wrote:
And then there's the overall slant. During that Dynasty Duck thing the gay editors couldn't write enough articles slamming the guy. They went digging way back in his history to find dirt on him. First they found an interview where he had said, "I think blacks were happier before integration (which just happens to be true),
A house knee grow like you might have been.
I for one didn't like being told where I could sit or live.
garylloyd wrote:
then based on the quote they began calling him a racist.
And god help anyone who even accidentally is seen talking to a homophobe. Recently, Goldie Hawn was in a photo next to the President of Nigeria, a known homophobe. The gays at Huffpost had a field day calling her out on it. It got so bad Hawn called a news conference to inform the world she doesn't ascribe to the man's views.
But perhaps the most troubling aspect of all this is the addiction to naked men these people have. Earlier in the year it was just partial nudity; now its in your face smoking hot gay porn. Here's two naked men from today's headline:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/22/basq...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/gay-...
And please note how the gay editors cover their perversity by using black nudes. Who'd risk being called both a homphobe and racist by objecting?
LOL. You described gay porn as "smoking hot". Come out grary...come out!
garylloyd wrote:
This is not rocket science, folks. You can't hit a straight lick with crooked stick. Gay pride parades should be all the evidence a sane person needs to know that homosexuality is a sickness of the heart, mind, and soul.
rocket, lick...

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