Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61390 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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lides

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10777 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
"Junk Science"?
Honestly, fella, do you even now what the term means? The current president of ACP is a former president of AAP.
When did he become a junk scientist before or after he left AAP?
All he's saying is it's not a good idea to label kids "gay" because most kids grow out of what appears to be gay characteristics.
Are you saying you disagree with this, you jackass?
Yes, Gary, junk science. Their work is kind of like your posts, a great number of claims and assertions that cannot be supported by facts or empirical data.
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Hey, Lides, Gary wants you to reach climax.
Gary is an idiot.

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10778 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Here's the deal: the jury is in. Thirty-years after the universal safe-sex campaign while the hetero HIV rate remains stable, the gay male HIV rate continues to grow. In 2010 MSM HIV went up a shocking 12%. Worse still, for the same time period MSM accounted for 78% of new infections among males.
CONCLUSION: What other conclusion can there be except there's no safe way to have male-to-male anal sex?
Thirty years is a long time. If gay males have not hit on a way to engage in anal sex in 30 years isn't time to say so and stop teaching kids homosexuality is safe and normal when the CDC stats say just the opposite?
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By Risk Group
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV.
In 2010, the estimated number of new HIV infections among MSM was 29,800, a significant 12% increase from the 26,700 new infections among MSM in 2008.2
Although MSM represent about 4% of the male population in the United States,4 in 2010, MSM accounted for 78% of new HIV infections among males and 63% of all new infections.2 MSM accounted for 52% of all people living with HIV infection in 2009, the most recent year these data are available.1
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/atag...
And denying same sex couples equal protection of the law addresses this, how?

Be specific, Gary.

The reality is that this data has no bearing upon the topic at hand, and you are being little more than the idiotic, bigoted, troll that you are. The funny part is, you blame others of obfuscation. What an idiot.

I wonder what would happen if everyone would simply cease responding to your idiotic ramblings?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#10779 Nov 25, 2013
lides wrote:
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And denying same sex couples equal protection of the law addresses this, how?
Be specific, Gary.
The reality is that this data has no bearing upon the topic at hand, and you are being little more than the idiotic, bigoted, troll that you are. The funny part is, you blame others of obfuscation. What an idiot.
I wonder what would happen if everyone would simply cease responding to your idiotic ramblings?
They already have equal protection of the law. Wow, you're incorrigible.

Now, your 'idiotic ramblings' wouldn't be missed unless someone reads them just for laughs, like I do.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10780 Nov 25, 2013
lides wrote:
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Yes, Gary, junk science. Their work is kind of like your posts, a great number of claims and assertions that cannot be supported by facts or empirical data.
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Gary is an idiot.
You, jackass.

If you're going to make a claim at least give some basis in reality.

The only difference in the AAP and the CPA, is how they interpret the data. Den Trumbull, MD, is the current president of CPA and former president of AAP. He and about 20 other pediatricians left the AAP when it began advocating "gay friendly" curriculum in schools.

You're just plastering the forum with LGBT rhetoric when you say the CPA deals in junk science -- but prove me wrong: show us one piece of junk science promulgated by CPA.

The topic is one of the most important before us today -- and rather than address it with integrity, you pollute the discussion with your ignorant and unfounded LGBT rhetoric.

Which was your purpose, wasn't it, you jackass?

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10781 Nov 25, 2013
lides wrote:
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And denying same sex couples equal protection of the law addresses this, how?
Be specific, Gary.
The reality is that this data has no bearing upon the topic at hand, and you are being little more than the idiotic, bigoted, troll that you are. The funny part is, you blame others of obfuscation. What an idiot.
I wonder what would happen if everyone would simply cease responding to your idiotic ramblings?
Homosexuals have the right to marry -- following the same rules anyone else does.

Allowing them to marry each other accepts the premise that they are a suspect class. This is a premise that should not be accepted because by all accounts homosexuals are little more than a sex cult.

End of story.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10782 Nov 25, 2013
Another thing I find incredible is these liberals who would have us believe that these jackasses who prance up and down Main Street in penis suits should have the right to adopt kids.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#10783 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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Homosexuals have the right to marry -- following the same rules anyone else does.
Allowing them to marry each other accepts the premise that they are a suspect class. This is a premise that should not be accepted because by all accounts homosexuals are little more than a sex cult.
End of story.
Bullshit. The federal government says otherwise. You have no authority over our relationships. In other words, you're irrelevant. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Further, your aids mantra, which is a smokescreen for your obvious hatred of LGBT people, has nothing to do with SSM.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10785 Nov 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Hmmmmmm .....so Uncle Sam should encourage men and women to marry each other to reduce the transmission of STDs. It would also cut down on out of wedlock births. Good point.
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As long as one is faithful to one's additional wives, or husbands, the principle is still the same.
Yes, and the govt- state & federal should continue to encourage same-sex couples to marry as well to reduce the transmission of STDs.

No, the more sexual partners you have in a relationship the more likely one of them isn't being faithful.

In addition, polygamy is illegal because it's harmful to those involved & society at large. The govt shouldn't encourage people to commit crimes.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10786 Nov 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So why then is there this beliefs that one has a "sexual orientation", and it is "innate"?
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Yet these identities, are virtually, in terms of the history of human societies, new, less than a hundred years old or so.
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Any number of factors, family, geographic location, neighborhood, etc.
Why do some people with same sex sexual attraction feel no need for a "BGLT" identity? Or even choose not to engage in same sex sexual behavior?
The current terms used to describe the identity may be new; the identity isn't.

Why do some people with opposite-sex sexual attraction feel no need for a "hetero" identity? Or even choose not to engage in opposite-sex sexual behavior?

Labeling oneself is a choice, just as engaging in a particular behavior is a choice.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10787 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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It's not just stupid, it's psychopathic.
Honestly, these fellows might start out normal but in a few years they become psychopaths. For example, what would possess someone trying to convince the world his lifestyle is normal to put on a penis suit and march down Main Street?
What would possess him want to give his life of misery and despair to children who never did anything to him?
My theory is anal sex is a lot more penetrating than they think.
You seem to have plenty of expertise with anal sex.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10788 Nov 25, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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We need a "slam dunk" judge it icon.
Thanks.

And while the anti-gays continue to yammer on, we await our next victory from New Mexico.

They could rule any day now.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10789 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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The jury is in, fella. After 30 years of safe-sex education you fellows are still disproportionately catching HIV. This can mean only one thing: there's no safe way to have male-to-male anal sex.
And after 30 years heteros are still disproportionately catching HIV in Africa. This can mean only one thing: there's no safe way to have male-to-female vaginal sex.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10790 Nov 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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So now you admit it. Why not answer the question?
Why does a butch dress and act like a man to attract another lesbian??
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Scientists would say it is because of mating behavior.
However, lets take your assertion;
Why is a lesbian trying to act like a man?
Why is a lesbian interested in another lesbian who is almost a man?
She's not; she's acting like a lesbian.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#10791 Nov 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And after 30 years heteros are still disproportionately catching HIV in Africa.
Nothing like the gays here though, and we offer free public educations, including sex education here.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10793 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Here's the deal:
You're an anti-gay ignorant moron.

That's the deal.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10795 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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Stop obfuscating.
Gay males are 78% of all new HIV cases in males. You don't want to talk about that because it's an indictment against male-to-male anal sex.
You've had 30 years to work-out a way of having your anal sex safely and have nothing to show for it -- except a 12% increase in the HIV rate among gay males.
The jury is in: male-to-male sex is morbidly unhealthy and there's no way of doing it safely.
The overall conclusion is just as plan: homosexuality kills.
And yet millions of gay people manage to have sex without contracting HIV.

And yet millions of straight people contract HIV from having male-to-female sex.

If your sexual partner doesn't have HIV, you're not going to contract the virus no matter how you have sex.

If your sexual partner has HIV, you're likely to contract the virus if you have unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10796 Nov 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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They already have equal protection of the law. Wow, you're incorrigible.
Now, your 'idiotic ramblings' wouldn't be missed unless someone reads them just for laughs, like I do.
Except we don't have equal protection of the law in states which refuse to recognize our legal marriages.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10797 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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Homosexuals have the right to marry -- following the same rules anyone else does.
Allowing them to marry each other accepts the premise that they are a suspect class. This is a premise that should not be accepted because by all accounts homosexuals are little more than a sex cult.
End of story.
Except of course it's obviously NOT the end of the story.

Same-sex couples can marry regardless of their sexual orientation.

Soon all states will be forced to recognize those legal marriages.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10798 Nov 25, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Another thing I find incredible is these liberals who would have us believe that these jackasses who prance up and down Main Street in penis suits should have the right to adopt kids.
Ditto for the heteros in the Mardi Gras parade...

Since: Jan 06

Oshawa, Canada

#10799 Nov 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Marriage is marriage. If you have the legal right to be a gay couple, you have the legal right to be a gay MARRIED couple. End of debate.
Let's climb out of the 19th century, folks.
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