Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61393 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

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#10522 Nov 23, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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BS. You love to make that claim, just like you love to call homosexuality a cult.
These are your opinions, nothing more.
Do you go into public schools and recruit people into heterosexual cults? Do you have to share the joys of the str8 "lifestyle" with young people?
This shit just ain't happenin', Doofus.
Honestly, fella, it's become increasingly difficult to decipher what you're trying to say.

If you believe men who dress in penis suits and those who wear bottomless leather chaps while being led down Main Street by their "tops" draw the line at seducing straight men and boys, just say so.

No one will believe you but at least it will make you feel better.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10523 Nov 23, 2013
Quest wrote:
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No, that only makes you look irrational. In order to disprove the facts in someone's post, you must actually provide some verifiable facts, and not your own ill conceived opinions.
Keep trying, though.
You are a good force for our side. Most bigots are, since sane folks take one look at the irrationality and run the other way.
"I've a question for you, fella: the theme of all your pride parades is the erect penis. Google "gay pride parade" and you see images of men in penis suits, penis hats and masks, giant penis floats with half-naked boys atop them waving penis flags, penis balloons, lollipops, rainbow penises, chocolate penises, salt water taffy penises, etc."

I say, that's evidence your group is a sex cult.

Agreed?

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10524 Nov 23, 2013
lides wrote:
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I have a very low tolerance for idiocy.
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Can you offer any factual proof that homosexuality is a sex cult, or do you merely post this opinion again to reaffirm that you don't value facts?
This is why you are an idiot, Gary.
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Gary, does the US Constitution guarantee that state's must provide all people within their jurisdiction equal protection of the law?
Are homosexuals people?
Is marriage a protection of the law in all 50 states?
Let me give you a hint, the answer to each question is yes.(it's a big hint, but you've prove that you need a great deal of help).
Bonus question. Have you found any state interests served by denying same sex couples the right to marry that would render such a restriction constitutional, render your argument valid, and prove that you are a complete and total moron?
The reason for the narrow legal argument, idiot, if because it is a simple legal question. Equality under the law is ensconced in our constitution, and marriage equality will come to pass for that reason, in spite of imbeciles like yourself.
"I've a question for you, fella: the theme of all your pride parades is the erect penis. Google "gay pride parade" and you see images of men in penis suits, penis hats and masks, giant penis floats with half-naked boys atop them waving penis flags, penis balloons, lollipops, rainbow penises, chocolate penises, salt water taffy penises, etc."

I say, that's evidence your group is a sex cult.

Agreed?

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10525 Nov 23, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Start believing. I've seen women in mardi-gras parades baring their breasts for plastic baubles.
Same thing. Sexually motivated public display.
So, do you acknowledge that all straight people are part of a sex cult, since a few of them are inappropriate? That IS your argument, right?
That if some people in a group do the wrong or silly thing, then EVERYONE is guilty?
"I've seen women in mardi-gras parades baring their breasts for plastic baubles."

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No -- you haven't seen "women in Mardi Gras" parades baring their breasts because that kind of behavior isn't allowed "in" the parade by the parade organizers.

So stop you lying, fella.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10526 Nov 23, 2013
KiMare wrote:
I read just fine.
We were addressing the effect of sexual abuse.
My quote addressed it. Yours was a defense of homosexuality.
Either you didn't, or you are dumb enough to think that an online blog carried greater weight than an organization of mental health professionals.
KiMare wrote:
The one that doesn't excuse an inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning behavior.
So don't participate. What anyone else decides to do is none of your business. You seem to suffer from the delusion that you get a say in the private sexual affairs of others.
KiMare wrote:
Or proclaim something normal that science still has yet to determine a purpose or cause for.
Smile.
Normalcy is irrelevant to the constitutional guarantee of equal protection. Only a dullard would make the irrelevant argument of normalcy, and solely because they have no valid argument to advance.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10527 Nov 23, 2013
Quest wrote:
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So, as a "straight" person, you feel you are able to be attracted to both genders? If so, you aren't straight. Both gay folks and straight folks are only attracted to one gender, by definition. If you really feel that your sexuality is that fluid, you would likely be bi-sexual.
And, really, just because you refuse to believe something doesn't make it any less true.
Have you considered the idea that the gay folks you are so obsessed about are actually telling you the truth, about their own life experiences, and those of the people they know well? That it's not just some huge conspiracy aimed at YOU?
I'm not even going to ask you to source the claims you make directly above because we all know the source -- your local bathhouse.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#10528 Nov 23, 2013
Before addressing the myths, let’s review some key facts:

1. Boys and men can be sexually used or abused, and it has nothing to do with how masculine they are.
2. If a boy liked the attention he was getting, or got sexually aroused during abuse, or even sometimes wanted the attention or sexual contact, this does not mean he wanted or liked being manipulated or abused, or that any part of what happened, in any way, was his responsibility or fault.
3. Sexual abuse harms boys and girls in ways that are similar and different, but equally harmful.
4. Boys can be sexually abused by both straight men and gay men. Sexual abuse is the result of abusive behavior that takes advantage of a child’s vulnerability and is in no way related to the sexual orientation of the abusive person.
5. Whether he is gay, straight or bisexual, a boy’s sexual orientation is neither the cause or the result of sexual abuse. By focusing on the abusive nature of sexual abuse rather than the sexual aspects of the interaction, it becomes easier to understand that sexual abuse has nothing to do with a boy’s sexual orientation.
6. Girls and women can sexually abuse boys. The boys are not “lucky,” but exploited and harmed.
7. Most boys who are sexually abused will not go on to sexually abuse others.

https://1in6.org/therapists-and-other-profess...

Look familiar "KiMare"?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#10529 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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When heterosexuals start marching down Main Street in penis suits waving penis flags, then I'll believe they're a sex cult too.
So, this is acceptable to you, right? Here is a photo of a family doing things NOT acceptable:
http://content.bandzoogle.com/users/Mamarama/...

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10530 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
"I've a question for you, fella: the theme of all your pride parades is the erect penis. Google "gay pride parade" and you see images of men in penis suits, penis hats and masks, giant penis floats with half-naked boys atop them waving penis flags, penis balloons, lollipops, rainbow penises, chocolate penises, salt water taffy penises, etc."
I say, that's evidence your group is a sex cult.
Agreed?
I'd say that your obsession with pride parades is evidence that you are a closet case. They are irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact that you regularly make such irrelevant arguments tends to indicate that you aren't very intelligent and are incapable of making a valid argument.

Once again, you have provided opinion, which is no substantiated by fact.

Congratulations, Gary, you aren't very bright.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#10531 Nov 23, 2013
Of course we all know that no heterosexuals ever engages in irresponsible, inappropriate, anti-social, illegal and/or morally disapproved sexual acts either publicly or privately, that's why we have so many of them absolutely obsessed with what they see as homosexuals behaving badly.

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10532 Nov 23, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
Before addressing the myths, let’s review some key facts:
1. Boys and men can be sexually used or abused, and it has nothing to do with how masculine they are.
2. If a boy liked the attention he was getting, or got sexually aroused during abuse, or even sometimes wanted the attention or sexual contact, this does not mean he wanted or liked being manipulated or abused, or that any part of what happened, in any way, was his responsibility or fault.
3. Sexual abuse harms boys and girls in ways that are similar and different, but equally harmful.
4. Boys can be sexually abused by both straight men and gay men. Sexual abuse is the result of abusive behavior that takes advantage of a child’s vulnerability and is in no way related to the sexual orientation of the abusive person.
5. Whether he is gay, straight or bisexual, a boy’s sexual orientation is neither the cause or the result of sexual abuse. By focusing on the abusive nature of sexual abuse rather than the sexual aspects of the interaction, it becomes easier to understand that sexual abuse has nothing to do with a boy’s sexual orientation.
6. Girls and women can sexually abuse boys. The boys are not “lucky,” but exploited and harmed.
7. Most boys who are sexually abused will not go on to sexually abuse others.
https://1in6.org/therapists-and-other-profess...
Look familiar "KiMare"?
Honestly, Rick, what do you thing you accomplish when you post opinion from a homosexual source?

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10533 Nov 23, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd say that your obsession with pride parades is evidence that you are a closet case. They are irrelevant to the topic at hand. The fact that you regularly make such irrelevant arguments tends to indicate that you aren't very intelligent and are incapable of making a valid argument.
Once again, you have provided opinion, which is no substantiated by fact.
Congratulations, Gary, you aren't very bright.
See?

Take his head out of Clarence Darrow's ass and he starts posting garden variety LGBT dogma:

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"I'd say that your obsession with pride parades is evidence that you are a closet case."
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Here's the question again, Lides; this time instead of dodging it, try answering it:

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"I've a question for you, fella: the theme of all your pride parades is the erect penis. Google "gay pride parade" and you see images of men in penis suits, penis hats and masks, giant penis floats with half-naked boys atop them waving penis flags, penis balloons, lollipops, rainbow penises, chocolate penises, salt water taffy penises, etc."

I say, that's evidence your group is a sex cult.

Agreed?

garylloyd

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10534 Nov 23, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
Of course we all know that no heterosexuals ever engages in irresponsible, inappropriate, anti-social, illegal and/or morally disapproved sexual acts either publicly or privately, that's why we have so many of them absolutely obsessed with what they see as homosexuals behaving badly.
"homosexuals behaving badly"

Where ...?

You're the only gay here who calls the filth and degeneracy seen in gay pride parades "behaving badly."

There's hope for you yet, fella.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10535 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
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See?
Take his head out of Clarence Darrow's ass and he starts posting garden variety LGBT dogma:
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"I'd say that your obsession with pride parades is evidence that you are a closet case."
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Here's the question again, Lides; this time instead of dodging it, try answering it:
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"I've a question for you, fella: the theme of all your pride parades is the erect penis. Google "gay pride parade" and you see images of men in penis suits, penis hats and masks, giant penis floats with half-naked boys atop them waving penis flags, penis balloons, lollipops, rainbow penises, chocolate penises, salt water taffy penises, etc."
I say, that's evidence your group is a sex cult.
Agreed?
Gary, the reality remains that you are incapable of offering any valid argument against legal equality.

Your writing makes me wonder if you are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. I would guess not.

No, Gary. The parades, in addition to being irrelevant to the topic at hand, are not an indication that homosexuality is a sex cult. Only an idiot would make such an assertion.

Congratulations, Gary. You've confirmed that you are in fact an idiot, with no argument deeper than your own opinion.

How's that hunt for a compelling governmental interest served by denying same se couples equal protection of the law going?

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10536 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
There's hope for you yet, fella.
I wish the same could be said of you. However you seem to be wrapped up in your own opinions and lies.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#10537 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
Honestly, Rick, what do you thing you accomplish when you post opinion from a homosexual source?
Ask the "Kimare", it's their (another strangely obsessed self-professed heterosexual man, but he has a self-absorbed, presumed to be lesbian, zygote to deal with and has to carry an I am not as crazy as I might appear letter with him at all times), source. They plagiarized it. I looked it up, found a bit I found interesting and quoted it here, citing the source. These are all statements of fact that I have read elsewhere. You are free to prove them wrong, if you are able to. Dismissing them, completely unaddressed, for the self-professed, "logical reason", that you say they come from a "homosexual source". Intellectually lazy and counterproductive to both reason and logic.

Prove ANYTHING in ANY of those seven statements to be factually inaccurate. Don't just claim it, provide proof. You don't even have to shoot them all down, just cast aspersions on the rest by proving any part of any one statement to not be fact. I'm giving you an intellectually lazy out here, go for it. Odds of you wimping out completely are opening at 1:100 in favor. Odds of you laying out a clear, cogent and factually supported rebuttal of all seve, are opening somewhere around those of someone winning five powerball jackpots in a row..
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#10539 Nov 23, 2013
garylloyd wrote:
"homosexuals behaving badly"
Selective reading comprehension problem on your part? I already knew that, but I'm still sorry to hear it again. Congratulations on missing another obvious point. You are heterosexual, in addition to any number of classifications, right? I'm more than certain that there are more than enough of your fellow heterosexuals acting in sin and depravity for you to save from the error of their ways, yet here you are endlessly fixated with penises, male on male anal sex and anything of a same sex sexual nature that pops into your obsessive little mind. You're often maliciously misinformed and closed-minded to all fact logic and reason to the contrary. You are often mean-spirited. You need a new hobby.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10540 Nov 23, 2013
Norman Chaney 1 wrote:
Frankie Rizzo is right:
"If you remove the complementarity of the sexes in marriage, the entire structure that gives marriage its shape collapses with it. If marriage is no longer based on the complementarity of the sexes, what principle limits marriage to two? Why not three? These are questions that marriage revisionists refuse to answer."
So shines a good deed in a weary world.
No. You are both wrong. Providing the legal protections for same sex marriage in addition to traditional marriage merely fulfills the US Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the law for all. In no way does it damage the "entire structure" of marriage (what a juvenile concept, Norman).

As for marriage between three or more people, learn to count. Polygamy, by definition, does not seek equal protection of the law. What is more, it has been dealt with as a matter of law for over 100 years, and is illegal in all 50 states.

Both of you are dullards.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#10541 Nov 23, 2013
lides wrote:
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No. You are both wrong. Providing the legal protections for same sex marriage in addition to traditional marriage merely fulfills the US Constitution's guarantee of equal protection of the law for all.
States regulate marriage, SFB. State laws apply to everyone in the state, equally.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#10542 Nov 23, 2013
Norman Chaney 1 wrote:
Frankie Rizzo is right:...
That wasn't Frankie, that was the head of the Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission for the Southern Baptists he was ripping off.

Here: http://thefederalist.com/2013/11/22/jesus-sex...

I maybe mistaken here, but I really don't think that the Southern Baptists approve of plural marriages, only serial ones.

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